Sanders wants raw vote count from Iowa

[left-of-center2012]

Bernie Sanders wants raw vote count released after tight finish in Iowa caucuses
Bernie Sanders has called on the Democratic party to release a raw vote count in Iowa after a nail-biting finish left lingering doubts over the first, much tighter-than-expected, clash with Hillary Clinton for the presidential nomination.

“I honestly don’t know what happened. I know there are some precincts that have still not reported. I can only hope and expect that the count will be honest,” he said. “I have no idea. Did we win the popular vote? I don’t know, but as much information as possible should be made available.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/02/bernie-sanders-requests-vote-count-tight-finish-iowa-caucus-clinton

[madokie]

1. I read seven coin tosses

with all of them going Hillary's way is enough to invalidate this whole charade.

Whats the chances of tossing a coin and it come up heads 7 times in a row.

[BadgerKid]

4. 1 in 128 chance for this to happen.

Improbable does not mean impossible.

[madokie]

7. It didn't happen is what I think

The powers to be are working their asses off right now trying to finagle the numbers to give this to Clinton.
That you can believe.

[pengu]

9. All the coin tosses were done in the presence of workers from both campaigns

[madokie]

10. with coins that have on one side

heads I win and tails you lose on the other. I'll believe that

I call bullshit on this whole charade

Nothing personal to you though

[pengu]

11. I think the flips were fair

The story here is her losing a 30 point lead in 3 months and having to rely on luck to (barely) eke out a win.

[Art_from_Ark]

12. It's absolutely stupid to decide elections on a coin toss

Give each candidate a half delegate.

[madokie]

14. Like Bernie would say

this isn't the end of the world. Just that he came away with what he did in spite of the msm and big moneyed interest says he Won big time

[Art_from_Ark]

16. I am feeling good right now

Bernie has shown he CAN go against the establishment and spread his message against all odds

[madokie]

20. I haven't felt this good in a long time

I think I'll load up the golf cart and go see if I can find a mess of Wild Onions to celebrate.

My brother told me he found a mess of onions last Saturday so I know they're up. I might even get lucky and find a mess of Oyster mushrooms . Yummy yummy

President Sanders sure has a good sound to it, just rolls of the tongue so sweet like. As Jimmy Buffett would say, Like honey dew vine water

I feel so good, damn I feel the Bern and love it. I'm on cloud nine and my feet haven't touched the floor yet this morning

[Dr Hobbitstein]

49. Oh man,

I LOVE me some oyster mushrooms. Living in the state of FL, however, means I pay $3-4 for 4oz, twice the price of Crimini and 3x the price of white buttons.

[KingCharlemagne]

54. To quote DUe Cali, he (Sanders) said "Fuck you!" to the Money Bags. Bravo! - nt

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[madokie]

58. And a great big

FUCK you to them at that. I love it, where we are on this

[DrDan]

75. (she)

[KingCharlemagne]

81. Yeah, was in a hurry. Have now edited to indicate the 'he' is

Sanders, not Cali.

From one grammar Nazi to another, thanks!

[pengu]

79. Well, that I agree with

It is definitely stupid. We have a long history of deciding ties with coin flips or card draws though. It's mostly small local elections though.

[bklyncowgirl]

19. Who did the flipping and who provided the coins?

This is tinfoil hat territory but the probability that all coin tosses went Hillary's way seems unlikely.

[Flying Squirrel]

35. And who got to make the call (and why)?

[bklyncowgirl]

44. What sould we call it COINTOSSGATE! or COINTOSSGAZI!

I do think that the image of party officials palming loaded coins is a bit far fetched but hey, you never know.

[GoneFishin]

18. Bullshit. It did not happen.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. Yeah, statistics doesn't tell you that improbable things don't happen.

Just that they're improbable. Winning the powerball is something like 1 in 300 mill or so, but there are a lot of powerball winners out there.

[beerandjesus]

31. One time I flipped a coin and it landed on its edge.

I couldn't believe it, it's one of those things that you know is conceivable, but don't expect to ever see. I just stared at it thinking about how I would almost certainly never see that happen again.

[Flying Squirrel]

37. Hehehe

That was the subject of a Twilight Zone episode. Me, I once dropped a bar of soap in the shower and it landed on its edge (the short side too!)... Crazy.

[ErisDiscordia]

5. It is not zero

Coins can't count, so it is possible. Unlikely, but possible. Just barely.

[svpadgham]

33. Coin tosses can be rigged.

Coin toss are not 50/50. There is a better chance that the side that starts facing up is more likely to finish that way. I've tested this many times with the "flick it in the air, catch it, and flip it onto the back of my other hand" method, and the result skews far in favor of the side facing up at the start.

[Thor_MN]

47. Far in favor? I believe it's about 51% in favor of the side that starts up.

So you believe that the coin tosses in seven different precincts were rigged, that "they" were prepared for ties in all the precincts, just in case? That there was a designated coin tosser in place to literally throw the precincts in case of a tie?

Wow, with allegations such as that, one could have their own series on cable TV...

[svpadgham]

72. Read again.

I explained my method. You can try it if you like. I also made no allegations. I just stated you could rig a coin toss.

[Thor_MN]

73. Read again. 51% is not far in favor.

Feel free to post your statistics for your method...

For your alleged conspiracy theory to hold up, one would have to assume that "they" had a prepared, trained coin tosser in every precinct that was close. It would be beyond belief that anyone would bother to plan a complicated method to throw the results in case of a tie...

[CorporatistNation]

6. Throw Out The Fucking Coin Toss Shit!

Toss it!

[pengu]

8. Only 6 of 7 went her way

But still... Your point stands.

[Odin2005]

32. Repeat after me: CLINTON CAUCUS FRAUD.

[madokie]

34. You know

I really hate to go there
But I wonder if you're not on to something with that comment.

[Odin2005]

36. I don't put anything past Hillary and her 1% backers.

They are terrified of Sanders.

[madokie]

38. I'm with you 100%

Terrified is putting it mildly
The long knifes will come out now fore shore.

the PTB have a lot to lose on this election and I'm sure they're cutting checks to Hill as I type. Maybe to her 'super pacs' but either way it benefits her and her only

[ieoeja]

41. The money voted for her? And you find that surprising? n/t

[madokie]

43. Not at all

I expected it too

[CrispyQ]

59. DUzy!

[Hortensis]

2. I'm all for it. All candidates, parties, citizens, officials

should insist on scrupulous vote counts. And recounts if there is question. I commend Bernie for insisting on a recount. Perhaps it will encourage other states to tighten up their procedures.

Of course, with the kind of sloppiness that is obviously common, a recount could also benefit Hillary, though too slightly to matter.

[SamKnause]

3. She did not congratulate Bernie.

Bernie congratulated Hillary and Martin.

Since when is it considered a congratulation saying you are excited about getting

into a debate ???

I don't why the Guardian would say that.

[Divernan]

13. Class always tells, and the Clintons are de classe

[polly7]

17. Seriously?

That's rude.

Bernie is class, period.

[PeaceNikki]

23. Yes she did.

Here's her email:

Thank you, PeaceNikki.

I'm so grateful to everyone who called a neighbor, or knocked a door, or contributed -- you've poured your dreams and determination into this campaign. You never lost faith. Anytime we got knocked down, you got right back up.

You haven't gotten as much credit as you deserve, PeaceNikki-- but there are hundreds of thousands of people just like you, and none of this would have been possible without you.

Tomorrow, we'll look forward to New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, and beyond. Chip in just $1 to let me know you're with me and ready to win the nomination and the presidency.

I congratulate Senator Sanders and Governor O'Malley for a hard-fought race, and I look forward to the debate on Thursday. But the truth remains: Our country has to build on what works. We have to push forward, step by step, day by day -- we have to take on the hard fights that bring about progress.

Hard work is how we passed health care reform and how we expanded Social Security -- it's how we fought for civil rights, voting rights, worker's rights, women's rights, and LGBT rights. It's the story of America.

Together, you and I are writing a new chapter in that story, alongside millions of men and women across the country who share our belief that a better future is possible.

[SamKnause]

24. I was referring to her speech after the caucus, not an e-mail.

She did not congratulate him in her speech.

She did congratulate Martin O'Malley.

FEEL THE BERN

[PeaceNikki]

27. She congratulated her opponentS and wished MOM the "very best".

At 4:00:

[ViseGrip]

65. In an email??? After going on TV and delcaring herself a winner, when Sanders went above her later?

[PeaceNikki]

66. Also in her speech

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1119418

[madokie]

40. Simple

Bernie is a Class Act

[cyberswede]

80. Oh for pete's sake

I caucused for Bernie, and I thought Hillary's speech was fine.

She congratulated her opponents and also welcomed the upcoming debate (campaign) vs Sanders.

This is a silly thing to get bent out of shape about.

[winter is coming]

15. GIven how close it is, that's no surprise. I'd expect the Clinton campaign to do the same, if

their positions were reversed.

[jonno99]

52. yep. nt

[cyberswede]

21. I'm not so sure it would help him...

Since delegates are assigned based on percentages, one could have fewer votes, but get the same number of delegates.

In one of our precincts, for example, it was 60-51 for HRC, but each candidate got 3 delegates, so Hillary's slight edge counted only as a tie (which benefitted Bernie).

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

28. It's a PR sort of thing.

It won't get him any more delegates, but hed be able to say in speeches that he won more votes, but lost the state based on weird rules. That would sway some folks his way in other states if they thought he lost 'unfairly' in Iowa. After all, Gov Snyder, wasn't it, survived his recall simply because voters thought it was 'unfair' to kick him out before he even had a chance to do a full term in office.

[cyberswede]

51. I'm suggesting that he may not have gotten more individual votes...

but earned a comparable number of delegates when it was close. It wouldn't be good PR to demonstrate that HRC got way more individual votes, imo.

[jeff47]

60. It's about the narrative, not the convention.

The votes that actually count (at the convention) was a tie.

But Sanders being able to say he won the popular vote would be helpful in dismantling the "he can't win" narrative.

[cyberswede]

63. What if HRC got more individual votes?

That wouldn't help the narrative.

[jeff47]

64. Given that it's a tie, and the geographic bonus that lead to that tie

that's pretty unlikely.

[cyberswede]

67. I hope you're right.

But HRC won a lot of precincts.

[jeff47]

68. And she lost a lot of precincts. (nt)

[Vinca]

25. There's no way to have a recount: the caucus goers are long gone.

To do a recount you would need their physical presence in the same place at the time people were initially counted. It's a really stupid system.

[cyberswede]

61. The caucus chair from each precinct has the actual numbers

And attendees hear what the numbers are.

SBS isn't asking for a recount, just the actual original count.

[Vinca]

70. But the actual, original count can be wrong.

That's why it's so stupid.

[HERVEPA]

30. Supporters' (you forgot the apostrophe) in your already ugly post.

[R B Garr]

39. More gimmicks. He's just doing this to fundraise.

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He needs to maintain his perpetual victim status.

[George II]

42. Oh jees.....as of that statement there was only ONE precinct, not "some precincts"........

.........that haven't reported.

[Baitball Blogger]

45. He needs to pursue this and establish precedent.

[ecstatic]

46. He will keep the party tied up in lawsuits one way or another.

Berned, truly.

[aspirant]

48. How do you clean-up the house if you ignore the dirt?

[blackspade]

50. Hopefully the Party won't drag their feet on this.

[Tarc]

53. And the raw vote count would prove...what?

A caucus is not a primary.

[tammywammy]

69. I don't understand and either.

[fredamae]

55. If the Shoe were on the Other Foot

We'd already be in court.

This isn't a "win" at Best it is a Draw. Period. We have a Race.
The "cheering" Clinton camp looks really foolish, imo. Especially with the curious inconsistencies. The Coin Tosses. Polk County voting inconsistency. And the expression of confidence from a person who just won with a 10% margin-is glaringly in denial.

This on the heels of an existing Trust problem. When the dust settles, the votes are fairly counted...this IA thang could really bite them in the ass.

[Uncle Joe]

56. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, left-of-center.

[ucrdem]

57. Bad move. He needs to be gracious and move on.

That's what Barack did when he lost NH.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. They need to contact all 171,000 Democrats who caucused and demand they caucus again./nt

[studyshare]

62. K&R

[mhatrw]

74. Hillary shills, "She won rigged and square! Do not question our authority!"

Get over it, Hillary fans. Your sad candidate had to cheat to lose.

[DrDan]

76. no need - get over it and move on

[Yupy]

77. Yes! Raw count, not coin toss~

[bobthedrummer]

78. So do I. n/t