Do we really want Hillary Clinton to "get things done" with Republicans?

[fbc]

A simple diagram, but it raises a very good point. The republicans in congress need to be replaced, not accommodated.



original tweet: https://twitter.com/ShantMM/status/693104394053644289?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

[highprincipleswork]

1. No

[Maedhros]

2. A vote for Hillary is a vote for conservative policy. [n/t]

[amborin]

53. absolutely

[guillaumeb]

3. This is incremental progress, as the circle slowly moves from left to right until all is purple.

[tk2kewl]

4. aka realistic pragmatic centerism

[guillaumeb]

5. I would modify that to:

realistic pragmatic self-centered-ism.

[tk2kewl]

7. yeah

[leveymg]

9. Join the Demoplican Party. Today! Choose your favorite celebrity President, below:

[frylock]

20. Oh DAMN!

[nichomachus]

41. You know what they're laughing at, don't you?

Us.

[leveymg]

44. Us. And, they're still laughing.

[Ferd Berfel]

6. The only way she will get things done wit hRepublicans

Is to champion THEIR programs. TPP anyone? Cripple Social Security?

Hey, That's just my OPINION, I could be wrong.

[leveymg]

8. Better that we should have a 4 year continuing budget resolution, and no President or Congress.

Simply freeze everything in place. No "reform" (reaction to a bygone liberal era), no "cooperation" (conspiracy between the Right and the Far Right to destroy what's left of America), no "humanitarian interventions" (Neocon regime changes and optional wars of endless duration).

No Hillary. No Clown Car. None of the above.

[Gamecock Lefty]

10. Yes!

It's called compromise. Without it nothing gets done.

[Betty Karlson]

13. I think Obama learned (tediously slowly) that the present GOP does not compromise.

EVER.

So unless Clinton promises to execute the GOP platform (like Bill did with DOMA, DADT, NAFTA, you name it) I don't see a lot of compromising happening.

[frylock]

22. Sometimes it's the President's job to ensure that something doesn't get done.

[Lage Nom Ai]

42. or selling out

[Betty Karlson]

11. The TPP would certainly be revived - Frankenstein-style. eom

[pnwmom]

12. More than Bernie getting nothing done. His magic wand won't get past them. n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

14. He doesn't have a magic wand. He has people behind him,

and a singularly focused drive to make good things happen.

[pnwmom]

16. You can't pass laws without working with the people in Congress, and at least

one of the Houses will be controlled by the GOP. It is likely they both will be, given the filibuster.

[frylock]

25. Uncooperative congressional Democrats may want to revise their resumes.

[pnwmom]

34. They aren't the problem. The problem is the majority Rethugs.

We were much better off when we controlled both houses, even though some of the Dems then came from red states.

[frylock]

40. No, blue dog dems are very much a part of the problem.

If they don't want to help advance President Sanders' policy proposals, then they can find gainful employment elsewhere.

[Hekate]

24. How many Democratic Congressional Candidates does he have behind him?

Because he's been such a great leader in the Party up to this point, recruiting and helping to elect Senators and Representatives who will vote with the Democratic caucus.

Clue: Bernie the Gadfly has not really been known for that. Ever.

If the Dems don't have a majority in the House and Senate, we are left with the same situation President has been in all along. Obama is a negotiator (see: Iran and ACA). Hillary is also a negotiator (see: Iran). Yelling at people and lecturing them does not work. Patient long term negotiation can achieve quite a lot.

Bernie shouts and lectures. Will that really work with a GOP majority Congress? Just tell me how. Just tell me the Big Plan to change those numbers. Is he raising money for candidates beside himself? Or is he waiting for candidates to pass the purity test, no others need apply. Or is he not focused on that issue at all?

[Lage Nom Ai]

45. so the answer

is to move farther to the right? What exactly are you willing to give up for either candidate to get something through Congress? Keystone? TPP? Iran treaty? Social Security cuts? Larger Military spending? Civil rights?

[frylock]

23. We're the magic wand. Watch as we make Hillary disappear.

[SamKnause]

27. n/t

[arcane1]

29. What PROGRESSIVE things will Hillary get through this congress, that Bernie can't. Name them.

I'll be here for the next few hours, off and on, and I look forward to your list!

[pnwmom]

32. She'll accomplish things the same way Obama did. And she won't

lose in the general with pie in the sky promises.

[arcane1]

33. You have nothing, in other words. If you did, you would've said so instead of ducking the question.

What "Things" will she accomplish. Progressive things?

If it's so clear and obvious, it should be effortless to name them.

[pnwmom]

35. Her plan for improving on the ACA has a much better chance of passing

than Bernie's, with its numbers that have already proven to be hot air.

Like his pharmaceutical costs that were a NEGATIVE number.

[arcane1]

36. What CAN she pass? Which "Improvement" will the republicans vote for? And it has to be progressive.

It's not that hard a question.

[Hekate]

15. Do we really want government shutdowns to prove a point?

[mhatrw]

17. Wow! Perfect! Just the sort of "changes" Americans can't wait for! nt

[Romulox]

18. Hey--we all want more war in the ME and more bankster bailouts. It's just a matter of how fast

we get them.

[frylock]

19. Hell. No.

[Skwmom]

21. They are beating the bi-partisanship drum again. The form of bi-partisanship they have engaged

in has screwed this country.

[creatives4innovation]

26. Agree

I always thought that was such a strange argument.

[arcane1]

28. I have asked this question over and over and no Clinton supporter has answered it yet:

What progressive policies could Clinton get through a republican congress that Sanders couldn't?

Nobody appears willing to provide an answer, which to me IS the answer: She'll get policies through a republican congress, they just won't be progressive policies.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. I find no appeal in her offer to be a Republican collaborator.

[Z_California]

31. This sums it up perfectly.

Who did this? Can I share it?

[AgingAmerican]

37. Thank you John Venn

[azurnoir]

38. well when Bill was in office he got things done that made Republicans near green with envy

as they had been dreaming of them since Reagan who could only scratch the surface in comparison

things like welfare reform and crime bills which targeted minority communities

just think of the things that Hillary can do

[bigwillq]

39. I don't.

I don't want her or Republicans anywhere near the White House.

K and R

[amborin]

43. K&R

[Skwmom]

46. Media Consolidation. nt

[w4rma]

47. I don't think the Clintonistas WANT to take back Congress.

They are, in fact, campaigning for a Republican Congress and reduced Democratic turnout.

They talk as if Congress *can't* be returned to Democratic control, and if that is what they believe, then it leads me to believe that that is what they want. And, honestly, what could a Democratic Congress give a President Clinton that she wouldn't have an easier time getting through a Republican Congress?

That woman would have been a complete disaster in 2008 and she would be a complete disaster in 2016.

[aDCBeast]

48. BERNIE Voted in favor of the CFMA ... that caused the 2008 World Banking Collapse ..

That's right folks Good old Bernie Sanders voted for the 1999 CFMA bill that caused the 2008 world banking collapse. He voted for the CFMA which had Phil Gramm's amendment that banned the govt. from regulating the derivative market. The derivative market caused the 2008 world banking collapse. It bankrupted 30 countries and put another 30 countries on the brink.

Where was Bernie's judgment on that one?

Instead Bernie is trying to distract everyone about Clinton believing the Bush admin lying to congress and the American people about WMDs in Iraq. Looks like a very weak argument in comparison.


Sanders voted with the gun lobby multiple times.

Voted with the banks on legislation that crashed the world banking system.

[JRLeft]

49. She has one job and that is to increase the inequality gap.

[CharlotteVale]

50. Yes, when Democrats "work with" Republicans, *we* always get screwed.

[SMC22307]

51. Exactly. And add Social Security and Medicare (expand on Wall St favors) to the intersection.

I don't trust her.

[orpupilofnature57]

52. Third way is the " gray area " we rationalize selling out to, it's Black & White, she's a phony .

[John Poet]

54. No No NO! If some president is going to do the nasties with the GOP congress,

I'd prefer that they be a Republican.

Then the voters will be clear on which party is to blame.