2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Gets Endorsed by LGBT Couples Who Won Marriage Equality at Supreme Court
From the article:
Kentuckian Timothy Love, and his partner, Lawrence Ysunza, were finally able to marry after being together for 35 years when the U.S. Supreme Court required all states to allow LGBTQ couples to have legal marriage rights and to recognize existing same-sex marriages last year. But even though the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) the leading advocacy organization for LGBTQ rights endorsed Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democratic presidential primary, Love and other marriage equality adovates are feeling the Bern. This is especially significant considering that they voted for Bill Clinton in both 1992 and 1996.
Larry and I had worked for many hours as volunteers in the Clinton campaign starting with the primary in 1992 through Election Day, Love wrote in a Facebook post. Although we do support the mission of the Human Rights Campaign, our long experience and our hearts lead us in another direction.
Also in the article they point out that:
The Kentucky couples suing Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis over her interference with the issuing of marriage licenses for both LGBT and straight couples in the wake of the SCOTUS decision are also publicly aligning with Bernie Sanders.
David Moore, who was initially denied a marriage license by Davis, told US Uncut that Bernie Sanders has been the most consistent on LGBTQ issues, even before it was politically safe to do so.
With Bernie, what you see is what you get, Moore said. Even going back to the 1970s, he was supportive. Hes been consistent over the years, he marched in Burlingtons first pride parade, hes been for us way before any of the other states had gay marriage.
As a congressman, Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate running for office who voted against Dont Ask, Dont Tell and the Defense of Marriage Act. Not only was Hillary Clinton initially supportive of both pieces of legislation, but it was the Clinton administration that signed both of them into law.
Read more: http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-endorsed-by-lgbt-activists-won-marriage-equality/
Jarqui
(10,129 posts)Human Rights Campaign and Planned Parenthood endorsements of Hillary Clinton confuse students on both sides of the spectrum
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/article_a4b2abac-c3aa-11e5-b615-270a53554be2.html
Particularly the Human Right Commission. Hillary doesn't hold a candle to Bernie on LGBT rights nor civil rights in my opinion while Bernie has been in the worst case, almost equal to Clinton on women's rights.
merrily
(45,251 posts)lead on the issue. Contradistinctively, 1996 was relatively early for a politician to vote against marriage discrimination. And 30 to 35 years ago was very early for an office holder to support gay pride.
There is no comparison.
Jarqui
(10,129 posts)and follow through with these in the 80s
is pretty special.
I'm not gay. Just had friends who were. When we fought for those rights in 1973-74, we did it under fake names because of the fear of reprisals. Part of me is a little ashamed of that but where I lived, you could really, really suffer if people found out.
Bernie had the balls to put his name to that letter in 1972. Back then, that was really something. Took a lot of guts - particularly when he had political ambitions because no one had any idea that the cause would have advanced as far as it has back then. Homophobic slurs like "fag", "homo" or worse was a way of life for everybody.
When I saw that letter, it really got me and I did feel a little embarrassed that we all lacked the guts to put our real names behind our cause. But I'm proud we did get some funding.
merrily
(45,251 posts)You worked for equal rights when most were closeted. Be proud of that. Don't reproach yourself for not using your real name. The work mattered, not which name you used.
Jarqui
(10,129 posts)then you question what you did wrong or didn't do enough of.
I still remember the agony I went through making that decision. I was in college. Many of my friends would never understand. It was all social concern/pressure about what people would think of me. The compromise was to let them use my last name with an effeminate first name as the symbolic gay person because there was zero chance anyone would mistake me for being gay. If anyone did, I was really good with my fists. I regret not standing up for those people more at that time. I wonder if some of them were hurt by it. I have no idea. I still see some of them occasionally so I'll have to ask and maybe apologize.
When you see an example like Bernie, it's just plain humbling. I experienced the circumstances and what he faced and came up a little short. All I know is he had a lot more guts than I did. He proved to me that 44 years ago, he had the complete courage of his convictions. And thankfully, he still does.
When people question him now about his integrity or authenticity, it upsets me.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Don't be upset by negative things you may read here about Sanders. It's nonsense.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)From THE PEOPLE. Not leaderships who are BFFs with HRH.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)who used to be a Dem but um er oh bother thats a hornets nest.. Kim Davis..... Hillary Clinton circa 2004. Hillary who I consider a Conservadem. and well gosh Kim Davis was so if Hillary wasn't running for a major seat would it be leagal as President to switch parties ??
And I looked it up , though not President has ever done it , by constitutional law. It is allowed. So if Hillary switched there there would be hell to pay ...... https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070702230836AAo5vxe
Members of Congress do it all the time Frankly I think it should be at least not allowed or have to go thru a vote by the people. But it could happen. Could almost see Trump do the same thing. It's just a name.
merrily
(45,251 posts)become a Republican while in office.
On the other hand, people do change their minds. If you outlaw a change, then you force the Rep to be a stealth Republican, which may be worse.
It's hard. My thought: Don't vote for a conservadem. Vote for someone much less likely to be attracted to the evil empire.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Just sub out LGBTQ and put in most issues.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Hillary Clinton's administration. and she wasn't in Congress at the time.
Pointless to connect Hillary Clinton to legislation that was enacted when she wasn't in Congress.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She lobbied for both it's not like she was an innocent bystander.
George II
(67,782 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)After all, none of Bernie's actual votes on women's rights seem to matter. All that counts is that nebulous "champion" verbiage that shifts in definition based on momentary political need.
We certainly have Hillary Clinton on record championing inequality as it suited.
Damn shame to be hoisted thusly.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Finally deciding that gay people deserve the right to marry after opposing it based on moral grounds until 2013 = CHAMPION OF EQUALITY!
Prism
(5,815 posts)The instant a politician no longer needs to vote nor campaign against it.
You're welcome, Hillary.
Sincerely,
Everyone who did the actual hard work while you hammered our families with your religion for two decades.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Oops, sorry! My bad! just doesn't cut it with me.
She didn't just oppose marriage equality, she used her influence to make sure DOMA passed.
She didn't just vote for the war, she promoted it by parroting Bush's lies and fully endorsed the invasion.
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)You should contact them - I didn't say it. But if the LGBT supporters feel it reflects on Hillary, who am I to tell them they are wrong? I think the article gave their names. Maybe you can write them to tell them it was pointless of them to connect Hillary to legislation that was enacted by her husband?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thank you Larry and Tim.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)mountain grammy
(26,642 posts)"Bernie Sanders has been the most consistent on LGBTQ issues, even before it was politically safe to do so."
the other phrase that hits me: "most consistent." This is my candidate!