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Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:47 PM Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders Gets Endorsed by LGBT Couples Who Won Marriage Equality at Supreme Court

From the article:

Kentuckian Timothy Love, and his partner, Lawrence Ysunza, were finally able to marry after being together for 35 years when the U.S. Supreme Court required all states to allow LGBTQ couples to have legal marriage rights and to recognize existing same-sex marriages last year. But even though the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) — the leading advocacy organization for LGBTQ rights — endorsed Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democratic presidential primary, Love and other marriage equality adovates are feeling the Bern. This is especially significant considering that they voted for Bill Clinton in both 1992 and 1996.

“Larry and I had worked for many hours as volunteers in the Clinton campaign starting with the primary in 1992 through Election Day,” Love wrote in a Facebook post. “Although we do support the mission of the Human Rights Campaign, our long experience and our hearts lead us in another direction.”


Also in the article they point out that:
The Kentucky couples suing Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis over her interference with the issuing of marriage licenses for both LGBT and straight couples in the wake of the SCOTUS decision are also publicly aligning with Bernie Sanders.

David Moore, who was initially denied a marriage license by Davis, told US Uncut that Bernie Sanders has been the most consistent on LGBTQ issues, even before it was politically safe to do so.

“With Bernie, what you see is what you get,” Moore said. “Even going back to the 1970s, he was supportive. He’s been consistent over the years, he marched in Burlington’s first pride parade, he’s been for us way before any of the other states had gay marriage.”


As a congressman, Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate running for office who voted against “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and the “Defense of Marriage Act.” Not only was Hillary Clinton initially supportive of both pieces of legislation, but it was the Clinton administration that signed both of them into law.


Read more: http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-endorsed-by-lgbt-activists-won-marriage-equality/

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Bernie Sanders Gets Endorsed by LGBT Couples Who Won Marriage Equality at Supreme Court (Original Post) Nanjeanne Jan 2016 OP
Rightfully so. Jarqui Jan 2016 #1
2013 was late for a politician to speak on behalf of equal rights to marriage, let alone to merrily Jan 2016 #21
I fought for funding for gays in 1973-74. For a mayor to do this in 1972 Jarqui Jan 2016 #23
1972--44 years ago. The landmark Stonewall riots were in 1969. merrily Jan 2016 #24
If one has real compassion, you try and people still suffer, as my gay friends did, Jarqui Jan 2016 #26
Talking to your friends seems like a good idea. merrily Jan 2016 #27
K&R, thanks for the thread Nanjeanne Fumesucker Jan 2016 #2
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #3
These are the important endorsements. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #4
Special thanks to Kim Davis PatrynXX Jan 2016 #8
On the one hand, it's a heck of a thing to work to get a Democrat elected, only to have him or her merrily Jan 2016 #25
Excellent! Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #5
Campaign 2016 SheenaR Jan 2016 #6
Absolutely. K&R closeupready Jan 2016 #7
K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #9
"it was the Clinton administration that signed both of them into law" - that wasn't George II Jan 2016 #10
"Not only was Hillary Clinton initially supportive of both pieces of legislation" beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #12
She didn't vote for it and she didn't sign it into law. George II Jan 2016 #15
She LOBBIED for it, she CONVINCED people to vote for it, she OWNS it. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #17
You could say she . . . championed it? Prism Jan 2016 #18
Nailed it. 100% rating = Not good enough, Bernie! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #19
Amazing how doing the right thing magically materializes Prism Jan 2016 #20
Just like her support for the Iraq war. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #22
You'll have to tell that to the people in the article Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #13
Wow. That's a great pick up! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #11
I proudly stand with these fellow citizens in their endorsement of Bernie. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #14
Give me a sentence using the phrase "politically safe" mountain grammy Jan 2016 #16

Jarqui

(10,129 posts)
1. Rightfully so.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jan 2016

Human Rights Campaign and Planned Parenthood endorsements of Hillary Clinton confuse students on both sides of the spectrum
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/article_a4b2abac-c3aa-11e5-b615-270a53554be2.html

Particularly the Human Right Commission. Hillary doesn't hold a candle to Bernie on LGBT rights nor civil rights in my opinion while Bernie has been in the worst case, almost equal to Clinton on women's rights.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. 2013 was late for a politician to speak on behalf of equal rights to marriage, let alone to
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jan 2016

lead on the issue. Contradistinctively, 1996 was relatively early for a politician to vote against marriage discrimination. And 30 to 35 years ago was very early for an office holder to support gay pride.

There is no comparison.

Jarqui

(10,129 posts)
23. I fought for funding for gays in 1973-74. For a mayor to do this in 1972
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jan 2016


and follow through with these in the 80s




is pretty special.

I'm not gay. Just had friends who were. When we fought for those rights in 1973-74, we did it under fake names because of the fear of reprisals. Part of me is a little ashamed of that but where I lived, you could really, really suffer if people found out.

Bernie had the balls to put his name to that letter in 1972. Back then, that was really something. Took a lot of guts - particularly when he had political ambitions because no one had any idea that the cause would have advanced as far as it has back then. Homophobic slurs like "fag", "homo" or worse was a way of life for everybody.

When I saw that letter, it really got me and I did feel a little embarrassed that we all lacked the guts to put our real names behind our cause. But I'm proud we did get some funding.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. 1972--44 years ago. The landmark Stonewall riots were in 1969.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jan 2016

You worked for equal rights when most were closeted. Be proud of that. Don't reproach yourself for not using your real name. The work mattered, not which name you used.

Jarqui

(10,129 posts)
26. If one has real compassion, you try and people still suffer, as my gay friends did,
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jan 2016

then you question what you did wrong or didn't do enough of.

I still remember the agony I went through making that decision. I was in college. Many of my friends would never understand. It was all social concern/pressure about what people would think of me. The compromise was to let them use my last name with an effeminate first name as the symbolic gay person because there was zero chance anyone would mistake me for being gay. If anyone did, I was really good with my fists. I regret not standing up for those people more at that time. I wonder if some of them were hurt by it. I have no idea. I still see some of them occasionally so I'll have to ask and maybe apologize.

When you see an example like Bernie, it's just plain humbling. I experienced the circumstances and what he faced and came up a little short. All I know is he had a lot more guts than I did. He proved to me that 44 years ago, he had the complete courage of his convictions. And thankfully, he still does.

When people question him now about his integrity or authenticity, it upsets me.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. Talking to your friends seems like a good idea.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jan 2016

Don't be upset by negative things you may read here about Sanders. It's nonsense.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
4. These are the important endorsements.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jan 2016

From THE PEOPLE. Not leaderships who are BFFs with HRH.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
8. Special thanks to Kim Davis
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jan 2016

who used to be a Dem but um er oh bother thats a hornets nest.. Kim Davis..... Hillary Clinton circa 2004. Hillary who I consider a Conservadem. and well gosh Kim Davis was so if Hillary wasn't running for a major seat would it be leagal as President to switch parties ??

And I looked it up , though not President has ever done it , by constitutional law. It is allowed. So if Hillary switched there there would be hell to pay ...... https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070702230836AAo5vxe

Members of Congress do it all the time Frankly I think it should be at least not allowed or have to go thru a vote by the people. But it could happen. Could almost see Trump do the same thing. It's just a name.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
25. On the one hand, it's a heck of a thing to work to get a Democrat elected, only to have him or her
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jan 2016

become a Republican while in office.

On the other hand, people do change their minds. If you outlaw a change, then you force the Rep to be a stealth Republican, which may be worse.

It's hard. My thought: Don't vote for a conservadem. Vote for someone much less likely to be attracted to the evil empire.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
6. Campaign 2016
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jan 2016
that Bernie Sanders has been the most consistent on LGBTQ issues, even before it was politically safe to do so.

Just sub out LGBTQ and put in most issues.

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. "it was the Clinton administration that signed both of them into law" - that wasn't
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton's administration. and she wasn't in Congress at the time.

Pointless to connect Hillary Clinton to legislation that was enacted when she wasn't in Congress.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. "Not only was Hillary Clinton initially supportive of both pieces of legislation"
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jan 2016

She lobbied for both it's not like she was an innocent bystander.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
18. You could say she . . . championed it?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jan 2016

After all, none of Bernie's actual votes on women's rights seem to matter. All that counts is that nebulous "champion" verbiage that shifts in definition based on momentary political need.

We certainly have Hillary Clinton on record championing inequality as it suited.

Damn shame to be hoisted thusly.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. Nailed it. 100% rating = Not good enough, Bernie!
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jan 2016

Finally deciding that gay people deserve the right to marry after opposing it based on moral grounds until 2013 = CHAMPION OF EQUALITY!


 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
20. Amazing how doing the right thing magically materializes
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

The instant a politician no longer needs to vote nor campaign against it.

You're welcome, Hillary.

Sincerely,

Everyone who did the actual hard work while you hammered our families with your religion for two decades.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. Just like her support for the Iraq war.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

Oops, sorry! My bad! just doesn't cut it with me.

She didn't just oppose marriage equality, she used her influence to make sure DOMA passed.

She didn't just vote for the war, she promoted it by parroting Bush's lies and fully endorsed the invasion.

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
13. You'll have to tell that to the people in the article
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jan 2016

You should contact them - I didn't say it. But if the LGBT supporters feel it reflects on Hillary, who am I to tell them they are wrong? I think the article gave their names. Maybe you can write them to tell them it was pointless of them to connect Hillary to legislation that was enacted by her husband?

mountain grammy

(26,642 posts)
16. Give me a sentence using the phrase "politically safe"
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jan 2016

"Bernie Sanders has been the most consistent on LGBTQ issues, even before it was politically safe to do so."
the other phrase that hits me: "most consistent." This is my candidate!

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