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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 08:55 AM Jan 2016

Why Bernie Sanders Still Doesn’t Pose a Critical Threat to Hillary Clinton

When Sen. Bernie Sanders entered the fray, few thought he would make a sustained and serious challenge to Hillary Clinton. But in the months since he launched his campaign he has exceeded expectations, winning liberal Democrats and charging toward victory in New Hampshire, and approaching it in Iowa.

Now facing a truly competitive race, Team Clinton has reached for the sword, swinging against Sanders on everything from health care and gun control to his age and his electability, warning Democrats that his “democratic socialism” could cost them the election. On guns, they’ve landed blows, and they hope to do the same on his ability to win. On health care, by contrast, they’ve missed, frustrating liberal commentators and bringing new donations to Sanders’ campaign.

But the rapid rise of Sanders—and the pointed attacks from Clinton—obscure the extent to which the overall state of the race hasn’t changed. Clinton is still the favorite for the nomination, even as her path gets a little rockier and a little more difficult. And the reason isn’t hard to understand.

Take the recent Monmouth University poll of the Democratic race. Between December and January, Clinton lost her lead with white Democrats. Indeed, it vanished, dropping 23 points. Now, she’s tied with Sanders, 43 percent to 43 percent. But she’s grown her lead with black and Latino Democrats, winning 71 percent to 21 percent for the Vermont senator, up from 61 percent in January.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/hillary_clinton_s_ties_to_black_democrats_will_save_her_campaign_from_bernie.html

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Why Bernie Sanders Still Doesn’t Pose a Critical Threat to Hillary Clinton (Original Post) SecularMotion Jan 2016 OP
Hillary & Sanders will split the delegates in Iowa & N.H. William769 Jan 2016 #1
Again, no votes have been cast yet mikehiggins Jan 2016 #3
Reading GDP has been very entertaining. William769 Jan 2016 #4
Bernie is set to win the first two states. morningfog Jan 2016 #8
Hillary is being smart like Obama, Sanders CAN win the first two states but loose big in post uponit7771 Jan 2016 #10
She is not being smart like Obama. morningfog Jan 2016 #13
Good lord. Orsino Jan 2016 #9
Sanders has paid field staff in each of the 11 Super Tuesday states, Hillary none! Unless you KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #11
Yes I can. William769 Jan 2016 #12
What a pity. Status quo? Not for me thanks. elias49 Jan 2016 #16
You are correct. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #18
I won't cry. I've always expected to see her nominated cali Jan 2016 #19
Yup workinclasszero Jan 2016 #20
K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #2
That would be fine if our primary ONLY allowed Democrats to vote. draa Jan 2016 #5
right on, draa. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #14
It continues to astound me TM99 Jan 2016 #17
It really makes no sense to me either. draa Jan 2016 #21
it is magical math. TM99 Jan 2016 #22
I hope Bernie is a critical threat. The White House depends on it. Vinca Jan 2016 #6
They don't think far enough ahead to be concerned. draa Jan 2016 #7
Give Up Hope Prols v2345.8 99Forever Jan 2016 #15
An interesting article on the critical role that minorities play in Democratic politics Number23 Jan 2016 #23

William769

(55,147 posts)
1. Hillary & Sanders will split the delegates in Iowa & N.H.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:00 AM
Jan 2016

After that though is when the crying is going to be massive for the Sanders campaign and his supporters. Hillary is going to have a landslide win in delegates.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
3. Again, no votes have been cast yet
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jan 2016

Sanders' people and Clinton people should know that none of this is a sure thing or a slam-dunk.

Sanders' people point to Clinton v Obama and say she is vulnerable in 2016.

Clinton people say she has a prohibitive lead among minorities and is by far the most qualified candidate.

Sanders has much less baggage than Clinton and the "issues" the other camp creates don't seem to have any particular sticking power but HRC has shown, time and again, that she is the Everyready rabbit of politicians, better even than the "comeback kid".

We'll start to see how this works out in less than two weeks.

Are you not entertained?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
8. Bernie is set to win the first two states.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jan 2016

Hillary will take some delegates, of course, but fewer than Bernie. That will keep the momentum narrative going.

Hillary is desperately spending her money in Iowa to blunt the effect there. The race is closing nationally and Bernie, unlike Hillary, has operations in each of the Super Tuesday states. It won't be over the , not by a long shot.

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
10. Hillary is being smart like Obama, Sanders CAN win the first two states but loose big in post
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jan 2016

... IA and NH because he's decided to make his relationship a non priority

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
13. She is not being smart like Obama.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jan 2016

Obama was meticulous in acquiring every possible delegate. He was in every state and took nothing for granted. Hillary has already taken so much for granted that she is scrambling, even before a single vote has been cast. She doesn't even have people on the ground in each of the Super Tuesday states.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
9. Good lord.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jan 2016

Is the goal now "crying"?

Or is seeing your enemy crushed and driven before you not enough?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
11. Sanders has paid field staff in each of the 11 Super Tuesday states, Hillary none! Unless you
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jan 2016

are willing to dismiss GOTV efforts entirely, you cannot say that HARCwill enjoy a landslide on Super Tuesday

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. I won't cry. I've always expected to see her nominated
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jan 2016

And I've said here repeatedly, long before Bernie announced, I don't think she can win a general election. I'll certainly be voting for her, but yeah, don't think she'll win.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
20. Yup
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jan 2016

And you can count on it being labeled a BIG CONSPIRACY!!11!!1

Cause everybody they know loves Bernie!!!!

draa

(975 posts)
5. That would be fine if our primary ONLY allowed Democrats to vote.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jan 2016

Too bad for her that Independents, which IS the dominate voting block in America, go for Sanders by a Yuge margin. She won't over come that. Not when they're allowed to vote in our primary.

And let's say she does win the nomination. Do you, or her, really think people she's now calling Communist will EVER vote for her in the general. After all the lies about their candidate. And especially after they've defended her over Benghazi? They protected her against Republican lies and she the lies about their candidate. Get real.

They'd rather have a Republican burn the motherfucker down than give it to Hillary. That's the problem with "scorched earth" tactics that she's playing. No one will be there when you need them after you lie and demonize the people you need most.

So, the next time you folks want to repeat provable lies, and call us names like communist, you should remember that you'll soon be all alone in a sea of Republican insanity with no one to help. Thanks.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
17. It continues to astound me
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jan 2016

that Clinton supporters tout this numbers when less than 30% of registered voters are even Democrats.

draa

(975 posts)
21. It really makes no sense to me either.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

Do they think the 6% of Democrats that left the party have disappeared into thin air as well.

There's another group they've ignored as well. The lost moderate Republicans. The GOP has gone nuts and there's a lot of Republicans who hate their party and want a choice but they won't ever vote for Clinton just because.

Vinca

(50,300 posts)
6. I hope Bernie is a critical threat. The White House depends on it.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jan 2016

Anyone who thinks the GOP won't make hay over the latest email revelation is naïve. I think they'll wait until she's locked up the nomination and then demand an indictment. That will play over and over and over and over and eventually more than half the population will believe it and . . . kaboom . . . President Trump. This is the scariest election I've ever experienced and I've been following them since JFK.

draa

(975 posts)
7. They don't think far enough ahead to be concerned.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:54 AM
Jan 2016

All they see is Clinton, that's all. The federal investigation, or any of the other (pending) issues, doesn't register with her supporters even a little.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
23. An interesting article on the critical role that minorities play in Democratic politics
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jan 2016

In 2008, black voters waited for white folks to come to Obama. I think many of us were convinced that there was no way it was going to happen and when it did, it was earth shattering especially considering how much support Hillary had in black communities.

This year, (some) white voters are waiting for minorities to come to Sanders and so far, that's not even close to happening.

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