I'll miss you very much laconicsax. - Democratic Underground

Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:21 PM

EvolveOrConvolve (5,602 posts)

1. Yes

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:38 PM

eqfan592 (5,109 posts)

2. Agreed.

I salute you, laconicsax.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:17 AM

tkmorris (9,326 posts)

3. Yep

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:40 AM

cynatnite (27,187 posts)

4. It sure won't. n/t

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:58 AM

onager (7,361 posts)

5. Ditto...

Last edited Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:00 AM USA/ET - Edit history (3)

Salute to our cyber-fallen.

And as Chesty Puller was fond of saying...

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:07 AM

Iggo (22,311 posts)

6. Take it easy, laconicsax.

With you gone, the fun half has been removed from the argument.

No point even reading those threads now without the counterpoint.

I'll miss you.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:27 AM

darkstar3 (8,763 posts)

7. Am I the only one around here who doesn't get it?

Granted, I didn't see whatever image was swapped in and pissed people off, but frankly, I don't see why the swap-and-alert idea was such a big deal. Rug got personal and needed to be taught a lesson. Had I thought of it, I probably would have thought it was a good idea at the time.

I've seen so many people say that what he did was wrong, but the only reason I can think of for such a reaction is the content, not the action. WTF was in that picture?

Laconicsax's exit is a loss to our community. If there's such a thing as Karma, I hope it comes back to bite the gravedancers and the bully responsible.

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Response to darkstar3 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:05 AM

mr blur (5,295 posts)

8. No, you aren't.

There's been a lot of self-righteous hand-wringing going on, too.

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Response to mr blur (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:55 AM

trotsky (33,005 posts)

10. As is usually the case whenever an atheist isn't practically perfect in every way.

Imagine, you keep poking something over and over with a sharp stick and eventually it's going to fight back. When that something is a non-believer though, you blame them.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:51 AM

JNelson6563 (24,769 posts)

13. Well said.

This morning, as I wade through the wreckage I can only really take away one lesson from this: Stay out of the RT group.

Yeah, probably an odd "lesson" to take from this but there it is.

I have mistakenly followed latest links into there. Was informed the problem with our government is there isn't enough religious influence. Yes, the poster was serious and was prepared to go into long, drawn-out discussion about it, clearly believing their point. OMG. It was fucking painful to witness, much less be subjected to, teh stoopid.

Anyhow, if I went in there regularly and was witness to the bullshit practioners on a regular basis, well let's just say that such activity might well drive anyone to just about anything.

So...stay the hell out of RT! That's insidious poison with the bullshit and slippery lies, deliberately obtuse and like tactics...

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:55 AM

trotsky (33,005 posts)

15. Thanks. But you do realize you're giving them exactly what they want, right?

I mean - I can't blame you at all. The attacks are relentless. But that's why they do it, they want atheists out. They don't want discussion, they want kumbaya hand-holding about how everyone's faith is just wonderful and perfect and let's ignore the bad things because they are icky.

I can't give up. Seeing this shit from so-called "progressives" and "Democrats" is terrible.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:44 AM

JNelson6563 (24,769 posts)

17. Perhaps but I make up for it

in fighting the right in real world politics. I don't have the energy or inclination for both.

Thanks for countering the bullshit Trotsky. You're an old hand at it 'round these parts and many of us are grateful to you for it.

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:21 AM

trotsky (33,005 posts)

19. There ya go.

That's more important. I'm just a keyboard warrior.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:27 AM

JNelson6563 (24,769 posts)

21. My dear Trotsky, you aren't "just" anything

You're too awesome for that mediocre nonsense label.

So often I come across bullshit here and start thinking about a response as I wade through it. Then I find some brilliant thing posted by you and can be content there's already a reply that's better than what I could come up with, always glad you save me the trouble.

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:45 AM

trotsky (33,005 posts)

29. You are too kind.

Thanks for the nice words.

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:50 AM

Rob H. (4,191 posts)

32. "You're too awesome for that mediocre nonsense label."

Just thought I'd chime in and say I agree with that 100%. trotsky and several others keep their cool and keep holding religionists' feet to the fire in situations where I'd probably get pissed off, throw in the towel and say, "Ah, screw it." I might not post a lot over in Religion but I lurk there pretty often and feel like I learn a lot from my fellow non-believers.

Another

to you, trotsky.

Oops, wait. Does this count as a call-out?

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:12 PM

trotsky (33,005 posts)

38. LOL

I'll alert and find out!

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Response to trotsky (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:11 AM

onager (7,361 posts)

44. You win 1000 internets...

They don't want discussion, they want kumbaya hand-holding about how everyone's faith is just wonderful and perfect and let's ignore the bad things because they are icky.

Yep. Want even more proof? Check out this old Meta thread. The whole thread is interesting reading, but this is the money shot for me:

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/124028417#post44

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Response to onager (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 07:27 AM

trotsky (33,005 posts)

46. I remember that one.

Funny how telling the group that no one would want to live in a society without a religious basis for ethics is simply discussing their faith, but pointing out that basing a progressive agenda on religion is no better than when the right wing does it is evidently "stink(ing) up the place."

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Response to darkstar3 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:37 AM

muriel_volestrangler (65,345 posts)

16. The PPR message does mention the picture content, but also trying to game the DU system

by alerting to attempt to get rug blocked from the thread. Your "needed to be taught a lesson" is just your opinion; and one which, realistically, you could never expect the admins here to share. laconicsax also did it twice - when it was just the Romney image, the jury he got declined to hide it. So he upped the stakes, and re-alerted.

Given the idea of DU3 is 'transparency', it's not surprising the admins take a dim view of manipulation of the system to make someone else look bad and get them chucked out of a thread.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:23 AM

Warren Stupidity (31,933 posts)

20. Wait, you can't re-alert unless it was a different post.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:59 AM

muriel_volestrangler (65,345 posts)

22. Yes, he did it on two posts

The first one he substituted the Romney picture, and then alerted; after that alert failed, and rug replied saying "it used to show this" - and went back to use the link in laconicsax's post in another thread for the 'small people' picture (which laconicsax had already changed once, so that it didn't show the Romney picture), laconicsax then altered what was at the new picture URL, so that it showed a gruesome accident victim (I never saw that picture, but that seems to be the consensus of what it was).

See here for a list of what happened:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=116796

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Response to darkstar3 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:21 AM

Warren Stupidity (31,933 posts)

18. It was deliberately fucking with the system.

Look it was wrong. I think toward the end loconicsax admitted as much. I don't think it deserves a permanent death, but have any of the longtimer ppr'd been let back in?

One other thing, I think the tolerance the hosts were showing toward hostiles in this forum should stop. Somewhat irrelevant to this discussion, but this is a safe haven, and perhaps if she had not had to fight battles here too this event would not have happened.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:01 AM

muriel_volestrangler (65,345 posts)

23. Will Pitt was let back in

after he'd threatened violence. So it wouldn't be unprecedented to let a longterm DUer back in.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:05 AM

Warren Stupidity (31,933 posts)

24. Wasn't that du2?

Plus he is sort of a special case.

It is a bit harsh. One mistake and gone forever? Admittedly it was a rather huge mistake.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:12 AM

muriel_volestrangler (65,345 posts)

26. Yeah, but it's the same admins

Will Pitt may be a 'special case', but laconicsax was here a long time, and I would say his offence wasn't as bad as Will's.

I don't know what the admins might decide; but I'd guess laconicsax would have a chance of reinstatement.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:47 AM

trotsky (33,005 posts)

31. My gut feeling is that yes, he's got a good chance.

They really set an incredible precedent with Pitt - with his outrageous threats.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 05:53 PM

awoke_in_2003 (18,502 posts)

51. "Plus he is sort of a special case."

by "special case" you mean "above the law"?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 05:51 PM

awoke_in_2003 (18,502 posts)

50. "but have any of the longtimer ppr'd been let back in?"

sure- the one who said they would physically attack Bobbolink if he ever met her. Of course, he is a darling of DU.

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Response to darkstar3 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:43 AM

Neoma (8,980 posts)

28. The PPR was because laconicsax alerted on rug's post after switching pictures more than once...

It went beyond a practical joke. He was trying to get rug PPR'd. Trying to make him out to be a Romney supporter while at it, and that's the screenshot he presented that shows that he was the one that alerted on it. I think that was the killer.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:46 AM

kdmorris (4,679 posts)

30. I don't think he was trying to get him PPR'd

locked out of the thread maybe, but he couldn't be PPR'd unless laconicsax had also checked "TOS Alert". That didn't happen, so it appeared to be an attempt to get rug locked out of the thread, not PPR'd.

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Response to kdmorris (Reply #30)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:55 AM

Neoma (8,980 posts)

33. I don't think it was determined whether or not he did TOS alert.

He didn't exactly declare that he did or didn't.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:02 AM

kdmorris (4,679 posts)

34. I think the PPR note itself states that it wasn't

"laconicsax deliberately caused a graphic shock-content image to appear on Democratic Underground, which is a clear violation of our Terms of Service. This violation was made even worse by the fact that it was done maliciously -- laconicsax caused the image to appear in another member's post, then alerted on the post himself (even including the words "shock content" in the alert message) in an effort to have that member blocked out of the discussion. "

I'm pretty sure if TOS had been checked, EarlG would have noted that, but the stated issue was trying to get him blocked from the discussion, NOT "trying to PPR him".

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Response to kdmorris (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:46 AM

WhollyHeretic (3,918 posts)

35. TOS wasn't checked. I'm on MIRT and we did not receive a notification.

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Response to WhollyHeretic (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:47 AM

kdmorris (4,679 posts)

36. Thank you

I didn't think it was, but it's good to get confirmation of that.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:10 PM

Goblinmonger (16,367 posts)

37. He wasn't trying to get rug PPRd; just locked out of the thread

and to fuck with him. I know this because he told me. And contrary to what some on here say about laconicsax yanking my chain, I believe laconic when he told me that.

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 06:53 PM

OriginalGeek (5,485 posts)

48. It's considered sport on many boards I frequent -

if you hotlink to another person's photobucket they will swap the picture out and it can get a LOT worse than what Laconicsax did.

Naturally I don't expect rug would have known that so I believe he had a legitimate beef as he saw it but i recognized it for what it was and I don't see it nearly as offensive as rug or the admins saw it. (which they have every right to, by the way)

I hope they let Laconicsax come back.

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Response to darkstar3 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:06 PM

skepticscott (7,304 posts)

39. Well, if it had been just a case of

swapping photos to jerk rug around a little for intruding on his photobucket bandwidth, I would have called that fair enough. But alerting on someone that you framed, twice, knowing that it might get them banned (even if that wasn't the intent) or even knowing that it might cause them to be misperceived unfairly by others, crossed the line, IMO. It's a shame, but you just can't let some people here get under your skin to that extent. Better to walk away and let them do their own job of looking like a fool, because they will typically oblige.

It definitely will not be the same, though. His positive contributions here far outweighed this one negative incident, and he'll be missed.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:48 AM

kdmorris (4,679 posts)

9. I'm still hoping he can petition to come back

It's not like he had a pattern of making DU suck. It was just a one time thing.

But it won't be the same without him.

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Response to kdmorris (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:46 AM

trotsky (33,005 posts)

12. I hope so too. n/t

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:31 AM

Plantaganet (203 posts)

11. Hear, hear. n/t

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:51 AM

JNelson6563 (24,769 posts)

14. +1

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:11 AM

SecularMotion (3,147 posts)

25. I agree

We lost a good host and group member.

While I understand the reason for PPR, I don't think it was warranted considering the history of horseplay between rug and laconicsax

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:30 AM

2ndAmForComputers (3,309 posts)

27. My take on this is in Meta.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:20 PM

Iggo (22,311 posts)

40. Yep. It was a practical joke gone horribly wrong...

...as practical jokes tend to do.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:09 PM

PassingFair (20,435 posts)

41. I miss Laconicsax too.

2 nice
2 be
4 gotten

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:24 PM

Curmudgeoness (10,498 posts)

42. I miss him too.

He was always nice to me.

And I guess I am about the only person (at least after reading the meta posts) who thought it was just a practical joke and it was funny. OK, so I am a sick puppy. Oh well.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 12:32 AM

progressoid (27,319 posts)

43. Yup.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:13 AM

charlie (15,665 posts)

45. Well, this is some sorry suckage to come back to

I haven't decided if I like this DU3 stuff. I'm liking it less today.

Sorry you're not around Laconicsax, I always liked you.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 08:10 AM

BlueJazz (17,764 posts)

47. Well..That sucks. I didn't even know about this until right now.

I hope he comes back...always loved his posts. Shit !

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Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 01:42 AM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

49. I think Laconicsax's little stunt was horrible, that said...

...it was not worthy of a PPR.

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51 replies	Author	Time	Post
I'll miss you very much laconicsax. (Original post)	ZombieHorde	Jun 2012	OP
Yes	EvolveOrConvolve	Jun 2012	#1
Agreed.	eqfan592	Jun 2012	#2
Yep	tkmorris	Jun 2012	#3
It sure won't. n/t	cynatnite	Jun 2012	#4
Ditto...	onager	Jun 2012	#5
Take it easy, laconicsax.	Iggo	Jun 2012	#6
Am I the only one around here who doesn't get it?	darkstar3	Jun 2012	#7
No, you aren't.	mr blur	Jun 2012	#8
As is usually the case whenever an atheist isn't practically perfect in every way.	trotsky	Jun 2012	#10
Well said.	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#13
Thanks. But you do realize you're giving them exactly what they want, right?	trotsky	Jun 2012	#15
Perhaps but I make up for it	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#17
There ya go.	trotsky	Jun 2012	#19
My dear Trotsky, you aren't "just" anything	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#21
You are too kind.	trotsky	Jun 2012	#29
"You're too awesome for that mediocre nonsense label."	Rob H.	Jun 2012	#32
LOL	trotsky	Jun 2012	#38
You win 1000 internets...	onager	Jun 2012	#44
I remember that one.	trotsky	Jun 2012	#46
The PPR message does mention the picture content, but also trying to game the DU system	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2012	#16
Wait, you can't re-alert unless it was a different post.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#20
Yes, he did it on two posts	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2012	#22
It was deliberately fucking with the system.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#18
Will Pitt was let back in	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2012	#23
Wasn't that du2?	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#24
Yeah, but it's the same admins	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2012	#26
My gut feeling is that yes, he's got a good chance.	trotsky	Jun 2012	#31
"Plus he is sort of a special case."	awoke_in_2003	Jul 2012	#51
"but have any of the longtimer ppr'd been let back in?"	awoke_in_2003	Jul 2012	#50
The PPR was because laconicsax alerted on rug's post after switching pictures more than once...	Neoma	Jun 2012	#28
I don't think he was trying to get him PPR'd	kdmorris	Jun 2012	#30
I don't think it was determined whether or not he did TOS alert.	Neoma	Jun 2012	#33
I think the PPR note itself states that it wasn't	kdmorris	Jun 2012	#34
TOS wasn't checked. I'm on MIRT and we did not receive a notification.	WhollyHeretic	Jun 2012	#35
Thank you	kdmorris	Jun 2012	#36
He wasn't trying to get rug PPRd; just locked out of the thread	Goblinmonger	Jun 2012	#37
It's considered sport on many boards I frequent -	OriginalGeek	Jun 2012	#48
Well, if it had been just a case of	skepticscott	Jun 2012	#39
I'm still hoping he can petition to come back	kdmorris	Jun 2012	#9
I hope so too. n/t	trotsky	Jun 2012	#12
Hear, hear. n/t	Plantaganet	Jun 2012	#11
+1	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#14
I agree	SecularMotion	Jun 2012	#25
My take on this is in Meta.	2ndAmForComputers	Jun 2012	#27
Yep. It was a practical joke gone horribly wrong...	Iggo	Jun 2012	#40
I miss Laconicsax too.	PassingFair	Jun 2012	#41
I miss him too.	Curmudgeoness	Jun 2012	#42
Yup.	progressoid	Jun 2012	#43
Well, this is some sorry suckage to come back to	charlie	Jun 2012	#45
Well..That sucks. I didn't even know about this until right now.	BlueJazz	Jun 2012	#47
I think Laconicsax's little stunt was horrible, that said...	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#49