Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumThe "New Atheist" movement and the "things it does".
Greetings Earthlings
"Over there" is some new thread (posted by the usual suspect) bashing the "New Atheist Movement" and how we just don't get all the subtle, intricate varied myriad of minutiae of Islam.
(Y'know, I venture over there occasionally to see what lies they are speeding about me)
Here's a link iffen ya wanna go there (but you really don't need to).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=157013
Anyway.... what IS this "New Atheist Movement" thing anyway? What's "new" about atheists these days? They sound like they are espousing the same basic ideas as Bertram Russell and freakin' Epicurus for that matter! Does the fact that there is more media to get it out there and more people listening make it "new"? Does having conventions and loosely organized "clubs" a movement make? Is Star Trek a "movement" then?
I find it interesting that religious folk think that agreeing with someone equates to following them as a leader. Can they not understand that someone could, y'know, make up their own mind independently?
I'm just sick of being told I am a member of something that doesn't exist and I never signed up for.
OK... end of mild rant.... My Lean Cuisine "baby in garlic butter" is ready so I gotta go.
Who loves ya, Babe?
P. S. One of the most amusing things about "over there" is how when one posts an opposition to the general thread, it is always answered within 30 seconds! Usually by one of the holy trinity of that board. Wow, just wow! Do these people not have jobs? Hobbies? Can one sail AND continually monitor a message board at the same time?
mr blur
(7,753 posts)But now I follow your link, I...can only see Earthlings. It's a win!
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I love it.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Outside of DU I never hear of these organisations that represent me as an atheist. I have no idea who they are but, apparently, I am ok with any/all of their views and any/all bad behavior by these unknown to me individuals--because they are atheists.
Funny shit.
Julie
onager
(9,356 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)You know that the reason it is a "new" atheist "movement" is because we stepped out of the closets. We are no longer intimidated enough to keep our mouths shut.
You knew that.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)New Atheists == Old Atheists with book deals with mainstream publishers.
That's the only difference I've come up with.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)"New" atheists (aka "fundamentalist atheists," "militant atheists," and "anti-theists" express their opinions and others get to hear them!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Reza Aslan is an anti-atheist bigot:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/17/reza-aslan-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-article/
Reza Aslan a guy I normally liked watching when he appeared on The Daily Show and The Rachel Maddow Show has a horrible piece up at the Washington Post website regurgitating every nasty atheist stereotype you can think of.
It is no exaggeration to describe the movement popularized by the likes of Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens as a new and particularly zealous form of fundamentalism an atheist fundamentalism. The parallels with religious fundamentalism are obvious and startling: the conviction that they are in sole possession of truth (scientific or otherwise), the troubling lack of tolerance for the views of their critics (Dawkins has compared creationists to Holocaust deniers), the insistence on a literalist reading of scripture (more literalist, in fact, than one finds among most religious fundamentalists), the simplistic reductionism of the religious phenomenon, and, perhaps most bizarrely, their overwhelming sense of siege: the belief that they have been oppressed and marginalized by Western societies and are just not going to take it anymore.
Oh boy the atheist fundamentalist argument. As soon as someone uses that phrase (in a serious way), you should tune them out immediately because nothing they say afterwards will be credible.
Ive said variations of this before but here you go:
When I think of Muslim fundamentalists, violent images come to mind.
When I think of Christian fundamentalists, I think of ignorant people who cling to literal interpretations of their Bibles instead of opening their eyes to reality.
When I think of atheist fundamentalists, I think of books.
Theres no comparison.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Science books!
Dawkins, por ejemplo, is a scientist who has written many books on science and, what? 2 on being an atheist.
Unlike theologists and clergy, his profession is not atheistically dealing with religion. He's a biologist.
bvf
(6,604 posts)His books on evolutionary biology no doubt rankle a lot of the same critics. It's just easier for them to point to a suspect comment he makes from time to time when speaking from his atheist pulpit ( ) than to engage his academic arguments, IMO.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)He must have worked that paragraph for hours to get it just right.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)unless they're whoring for attention. It's certainly not a term that any of the people typically being referred to invented to describe themselves, or have embraced. It's just a way for internet hacks and faitheists like those that Religion is infested with to make themselves feel superior ("Thank you god, that I'm not like those OTHER atheists!"
bvf
(6,604 posts)"New atheist movement" sounds a bit more ominous than just "atheist," so slapping that label on it is a convenient way to rally the god-fearing masses.
I used to wander through vintage car club meets some years ago. I remember constantly hearing remarks like, "I won't be happy until everybody in the world owns one of these babies, even if they don't want one--bwahahahaha!"
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skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Hitchens was not a scientist. And please, before you get shown the door, point us to the exact quote where Dawkins says that pedophilia is a good thing.
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AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)"Dawkins was defending paedophilia last I checked "
What were you checking? World Net Daily? The 700 Club? Mad Magazine?
And I'm sorry you feel so small that criticism of ancient superstitions and those who still follow them makes you feel stupid. Maybe you need more faith. There's really no need for your fists to itch just because others don't like being condemned to eternal torture, or told they are the cause of earthquakes, AIDS, hurricanes and ebola..... or falsely accused of "defending paedophilia".
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skepticscott
(13,029 posts)before his own words came back to bite him.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)I made that post yesterday, when I was suffering withdrawls from having forgotten to take my meds; got Richard Dawkins mixed up with John Grisham (who actually is currently defending paedophilia) and hadn't noticed which group this post was in (because it was on the Greatest page). Today, having taken my meds, I thought better of it and scrubbed my posts.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And what about Hitchens?
If you read something that pissed you off and lost your temper I can accept that and move on.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)I find Hitchens to have been a jerk. And I find the sneering contempt for believers evidenced by some of those who call themselves or would be considered "New Atheists" to be infuriating (the phrase "makes my fists itch" is a common expression for extreme annoyance here). And I'd somehow confused Dawkins with Grisham and my temper was gettinf frayed by continual head crunches that I get when I don't take my meds. So I flipped out, shouldn't have done and would just like to drop the whole subject.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And I haven't been able to get meds for over six months.
So I get pain, consider it dropped by me.
Take your meds, be glad you have them.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)or wants to be considered "New Atheists"? That's just an invented jackass term used as a smear by Internet hacks who need a catch phrase. It has nothing to do with reality.
And many believers deserve contempt for the things they believe and promote. Republicans get "sneering contempt" all over this site for similar things. Does that infuriate you too?
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Was about Hitchens.
Try again.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)When I read those posts earlier it did cause me to raise an eyebrow. Glad to see there was a reason behind the posts and that you deleted them.
Hope you are feeling better now that you have had your meds.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Besides how cool is it having a Luciferian Satanist in the club?
Really adds to the street cred, ya know?
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)Plus, when I was having my "crisis of faith," I often thought the bible made way more sense with Yahweh as the villain and Lucifer as a protagonist.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)Response to Prophet 451 (Reply #15)
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onager
(9,356 posts)And "makes the fists itch?" LOL! A new peak in Internet Tough Guy-dom...
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Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)An atheist writes a book and explains why and how they arrived at that conclusion and the skies split open!!
I have read two of those books. The God Delusion and God is Not Great. Well, three, the Bertrand Russell book as well, which is quite old.
Dawkins is not leading a movement and I do not send dues to the Great Wannabe Masters of the Universe Double Secret Probation Atheist Conspiracy Corporation and Social Club, and vow fealty for my entire life. I don't have a membership card.
That post on Reza Azlan made my head hurt in many ways. I couldn't even count them all. The garbledyblarg is strong.
Lefergus70
(102 posts)Atheism is an absence of belief in the supernatural. To my mind that sort of ends all spiritual discussions.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I agree with you 100%.
I haven't seen you around these parts before, welcome!
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)which leaves the door open for belief in other sorts of total bullshit, including in one case here, an alleged self proclaimed atheist who believes in demonic possession. On a more serious note, many Buddhists are atheists but believe in stuff like reincarnation, which I would definitely classify as "supernatural".