Christian Or Republican

[Yallow]

You can't be both.

You can't be a Christian, and vote for people that want to cut food stamps for starving children. Who want to take away health care from sick Americans. Who want to give tax cuts to billionaires, but can't find money for programs for the needy.

Christian or Republican?

Choose one......

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

1. I've been trying to explain that obvious fact,

For year, to my teabagging sister in law and a few others who think they are Christians. I've said, many times, that the votes they cast amount to hiring someone to represent THEM and spread suffering and misery in their names, in the form of funding cuts to food assistance, medical and social programs.

Not one of them has had the capability of grasping that reality.

[Mariana]

17. I'm sure they believe it is you

that is interpreting the book incorrectly.

It's a shame God won't clarify his views on these issues. Then there wouldn't be so much confusion.

[Zambero]

2. More to the point, "Christian" is no longer Christian

What passes for Christianity these days bears no resemblance whatsoever to what emerged as the New Testament. It has devolved into a facade for self-serving and holier-than-thou posturing, and a means of controlling others that go far beyond any religious considerations. The cultural, political, anti-scientific, and economic implications are manifest, but the actual teachings of Christ are nowhere to be seen.

[recovering_democrat]

3. "The words written in red"

a few years back I had an on-line "argument" with a christian-crazy evangelical minister and my on-going comments were to refer him to the "words written in red" in the christian bible that used this method of what were identified as the actual words of Jesus, instead of others. The Jesus of the words written in red are not known to the crazies who use religion against the "liberals" of this nation.

Republicans are not all hypocrites, but those in power are not interested in the genuine Christian religion.

BTW after a back and forth with me, the minister in charge of this evangelical group wrote both of us a reply and it told him I was right and how dare he "interpret" Jesus words!

[eallen]

4. Christianity is neither more nor less than its adherents

Just like every other religion that lacks an authoritative institution defining who is and isn't a member.

Catholicism has that. The Church can excommunicate people and say, officially, "they aren't Catholic." It can beatify others. Not that its record on who to beatify and who to excommunicate is all that great. But it provides official delineation.

Broader Christianity lacks that. It includes Jimmy Carter as well as Pat Robertson. And plenty of people who say that one or the other aren't "true" Christians. Which counts for nothing more than the usual sectarian squabbling that all religions exhibit.

[thucythucy]

5. How do they reconcile the part that says

"it is more difficult for a rich man to enter heaven than for a camel to thread the eye of a needle?"

Hint for supposed Christians--camels are pretty big animals. Needles, well, not so much.

[Lordquinton]

6. Catholic or Democratic

You can't be both.

You can't be against marriage equality and anti choice

Eh, it's all No True Scotsman horse hockey, there's plenty in every religion to disqualify one from being a productive member of society if you were to truly dedicate yourself to what's laid out in the bible.

[rug]

7. Only to an anti-Catholic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12217176

[Lordquinton]

11. So do you agree with the Pope or not?

His views on Abortion and marriage equality, and also those of official Catholic doctrine, have been made very clear, now are you a true Catholic or not?

[rug]

12. I will say this to you once, and once only.

Mainly because I find you to be uninterested in an answer and incapable of receiving one.

So, do you understand the difference between a religious teaching and a civil law?

I doubt it, but, assuming you do, about which view of the Pope are you asking?

I hope you can be be precise because I have very little patience for trollish antics.

[Lordquinton]

13. And again you don't give a straight answer

Are you for or against abortion and marriage equality? Do you follow the teaching of your hurh or not? I never brought laws into it, I asked you personally, and you flail and lash out instead of giving a simple answer.

[rug]

14. All right, I see I was right.

I consider the question of legal abortion to be more pertinent than doctrinal views on abortion. Are you capable of asking that?

The question of marriage equality, despite your brushing it off, is entirely about law.

I'd tell you to try again but I promised you only one chance. And you've blown it.

[Lordquinton]

15. Rug.

The Pope, your spiritual leader, the head of your church is using his influence, based on the doctrine of your church to impose their beliefs (and by extension, your beliefs) on the world. Here are two thread right now in this group about Catholics in Mexico protesting changes in the marriage laws and your spiritual leader is supporting them.

Your beliefs hurt real people Rug.

So what do you believe?

[rug]

16. Quinton.

You switch between religious beliefs and political activities as if they are the same thing.

The answer to one is not the same as the answer to the other.

So, do you actually believe they're the same thing?

[Lordquinton]

18. This is quite possibly the most elaborate dodge you have ever performed

Do you follow your church's teaching on marriage equality and abortion?

[rug]

19. Second only to yours.

Are you asking about its political position or its docterinal position.

There, it's square in your face.

Now answer it.

[Lordquinton]

21. You don't even know your own beliefs?

It's been laid out for years rug, this current dodge of yours is sad. I only persist so the record of your twisting is engrained. Your refusal here is the real answer.

Now, simply do you follow the beliefs of your church in regards to marriage equality and abortion?

[rug]

22. Dodge.

[Lordquinton]

24. So you're not even bothering to dress it up anymore?

Instead of some elaborate word jumble you're just saying dodge?

The question is still out there; do you follow the teaching of your church in regards to abortion and marriage equality?

[rug]

25. Dodge 2.

Are you asking about its political position or its docterinal position.

There, it's square in your face.

Now answer it.

[Lordquinton]

26. At least you're honest about your actions

Your question is irrelevant.

Do you follow your church's beliefs in regard to marriage equality and abortion?

[rug]

29. Dodge 3.

Are you asking about its political position or its docterinal position.

There, it's square in your face.

Now answer it.

Why don't you simply admit you're engaging in nothing more than trolling? You're simultaneously littering and disrupting this board.

[Lordquinton]

32. I appreciate you can be honest about your actions

Even if it is a bunch of evasion and unprovoked name calling. Now, do you share your church's beliefs on the named matters?

[rug]

33. Dodge 4.

Are you asking about its political position or its docterinal position.

There, it's square in your face.

Now answer it.

Afraid to answer the question, quinton?

[stone space]

34. Of course you can.

Catholic or Democratic

You can't be both.

[struggle4progress]

8. I think I won't subordinate my religion to my politics

[Lordquinton]

27. So your religion comes first?

[struggle4progress]

31. I would prefer if it did

[Mariana]

9. I don't think you get to decide

who is or isn't a Christian. Plenty of conservative, Republican Christians are utterly sincere in their Christian faith. They just interpret the book differently than you do.

[No Vested Interest]

10. "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." nt

[elleng]

28. If You Tell Me You Are Supporting Trump, I Already Know Seven Things About You.

1. You want to be ruled, not governed.

The single trait that predicts the Trump supporter has nothing to do with race, income, or education. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts found that the top predictor of whether a voter supports Trump is his or her proclivity towards authoritarianism. . .

6. You aren't really Christian.

Sure, tell me you are. But if you read Scripture, it’s pretty clear on this. (Or if you can’t be bothered, there's always youtube). Trump, a man who refuses the fundamental tenet of asking God’s forgiveness, is the anti-thesis for everything Christianity is. . .

7. You don’t believe in the Constitution.'>>>

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/30/1576113/-If-You-Tell-Me-You-Are-Supporting-Trump-I-Already-Know-Seven-Things-About-You

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512459695

[rug]

30. #6 is pertinent here.

[Iggo]

35. All Scotsmen = True Scotsmen