I stand with Bravenak

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Last edited Thu Sep 10, 2015, 10:15 AM - Edit history (6)

[IMG][/IMG]


There is so much I want to say but saying it would likely violate the Terms Of Services. I will say it was a pusillanimous thing to do.

What a utterly pathetic person the sender is.





P.S. All edits were the result of my trying to post the poison missive without revealing bravenak's personal information. The person who mailed it to her should be ashamed of himself .

[leftofcool]

1. I do too.

My honest opinion is that groups are no longer safe havens and to actually post to them is not a good idea. Let them be taken over by "whoever" wants them and the rest of us go to safer places.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. There is so much more I want to say but some of it would come off as puerile and...

There is so much more I want to say but some of it would come off as puerile and some of it would violate the Terms Of Service.

[LiberalElite]

8. and when "whoever"

finds the next safe place then? Not posting to argue. IMO I'm just not sure that would change anything.
P.s. The harassment of Bravenak is outrageous!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. These are random instances from boards I frequent...

-A poster did some digging and called another poster's Air Force Commanding Officer and told him the poster was spending government time talking about sports on the internet.

-A poster did some digging and called another poster's boss.

- A poster did some digging and posted the address of another poster's dad work place with his name.


Pardon my French but I don't expect that shit at DU.

[upaloopa]

134. Years ago Freepers posted my address but got the

city wrong. They had San Pedro instead of San Diego.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

136. I am in L A. Glad to meet a fellow Californian and HRC supporter.

eom

[upaloopa]

194. I use to live in Highland Park and Burbank in the 80's

[Bubzer]

60. I have mixed feelings about safe-haven groups. I understand their need.

But it galls that they're needed at all!

Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters should be able to talk with one another without all the crazy ugliness. Yes, Bernie has a great record, but there's no reason to shove it in people's face. As a Bernie Sanders supporter, I find it embarrassing as disheartening when other individual supporters say things they really shouldn't.

Are there GoP infiltrators as some have suggested? Could it be trolls trying to incite infighting among all the Dems here? Are some supporters perhaps a little too emotionally wrapped up in supporting their candidate? I couldn't say for sure.

All I really can say for sure is we have a lot of very smart, passionate people on this site... some support Hillary, some support Bernie... and I'd like to think we're all mature enough to be able to dial back some of the hostility and keep in mind that we're all Dems here. We don't have to agree on everything... but there's certainly no need to be so antagonistic.

Most here seem to agree on some basic things; We want to protect each other and other people. We want to eliminate injustice, wherever it rears it's ugly head. We want a fair shake at life, free from fear. We want to see our country move a good deal away from being politically right-of-center. We are connected through those desires.

We should embrace those connections!

[JustAnotherGen]

78. I'm a black American and I don't support either one

Not either one -

I support O'Malley.

I only see black folk being harassed here by Sanders supporters.

Now - if I get a hide for stating that - so be it.

Truth must hurt like a bitch!

[Bubzer]

81. O'Malley seems like a good candidate. I wish there was more coverage of him.

I can't blame anyone for choosing not to support a candidate after bad experiences with those claiming to be a supporter.
People performing harassment need to be called out and their actions dealt with. It benefits us all to get a handle on it.

[ReRe]

173. Did you catch him...

...(O'Malley) on http://www.DemocracyNow.org this am? I was glad to see him and thought it was a great interview.

[Bubzer]

181. A shame I missed it. I'll have to look for a video.

[ReRe]

183. If u go to...

DemocracyNow.org, you can watch it right there, right now. It starts at about the 15 minute mark. They will have a link directly to the clip of him if you scroll down a bit and click on it.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

96. I fully support your position.

And if I post this, it is in no way meant to harass you, just stating some history.

Bernie cut his political teeth on civil rights issues, in 1961 he was a chapter leader at the University of Chicago in the Congress of Racial Equality, the civil rights group that organized the Freedom Rides, he helped to launch a sit-in at the University of Chicago President's Office over housing discrimination in the university owned apartment buildings.
He hasn't been late to black issues, he was way early.

But I fully support you and your position, that's what were all about here.

[JustAnotherGen]

102. I knew that

But . . .

All O'Malley has to say on the debate stage -

"My opponents have great ideas - but here's how I did it!:

*Legalized Same Sex Marriage

*Enacted Strict Gun Control Laws - so strict he offended Beretta and they moved out of state.

*Repealed the death penalty in MD

*He signed a law that allows people in the country illegally to get drivers licenses.

*He defied the Democratic Party leadership last summer on the child 'new Americans' crossing the border.

*Raised the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour

*He left office with Maryland having the highest median household income in America.

*Education Week magazine ranked Maryland’s K-12 schools #1 in America for five straight years.
http://www.marylandeducators.org/press/maryland-schools-rank-1-five-years-row-0

*The Pew Center ranked Maryland one of the top three states for upward economic mobility.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/multimedia/data-visualizations/2012/economic-mobility-of-the-states

*Look up the words 'Flush Tax' - they funded an upgrade to wastewater treatment plants.

*1 Million acres of open space preserved

*MD cut their infant mortality rate by 21% under his watch - the goal was 10%

The thing is - a friend of mine - we went to high school together - another black American woman moved down there (to Baltimore) at the turn of the century. She's seen the positive impact on the black community she serves in her work on a daily basis and is a HUGE HUGE O'Malley Supporter.

Every Single One Of Those things helps black Americans in the HERE and NOW. In our lives. In our TIMES. Today.

She turned me to him - and away from my hopes that Biden would run. Now Biden is in the same place as Clinton, O'Malley' and Sanders.

He's got experience, knowledge, know how, grit- and I can relate to him.

I can't relate to Sanders or Clinton at allllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

108. I can't disagree with any of that.

[PosterChild]

143. As a Maryland citizen I'll ...

.... second your opinion . O'Malley is a great candidate and should be getting more support, consideration and attention.

I expect that as we move further along and electability becomes a more important factor to consider , he will become more competitive .

[JustAnotherGen]

147. My friend L

Loooooves him. She saw the difference in her neighborhood and it was for the better.

[PosterChild]

154. That's great! Making a difference is what it is all about /nt/

[Koinos]

158. Thank you, Gen!

I am 100% with you on this!

We need a thousand more persons like you on this board.

You are consistently clear-eyed, rational, and articulate.

[Stellar]

124. and that's upsetting to me.

I only see black folk being harassed here by Sanders supporters.

Joy Reid kinda speaks of the fiercely dedicated Bernie Sanders supporters on a video e-mail that I received. Everybody seem to know about his supporters and Bernie needs Black supporters.

https://realtimes.real.com/s/ipJg4Y

[Gothmog]

3. I also stand with Bravenak

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I can't believe someone from here stalked her...

eom

[Gothmog]

127. I am also shocked

[SusanaMontana41]

186. I don't believe someone from here did it. Anybody could have sent that garbage.

Someone's playing dirty tricks, maybe? The GOP has made a living doing that.

Don't turn your backs on 'em.

[brer cat]

4. Count me in.

[MrScorpio]

6. I stand with Bravenak as well.

[Dustlawyer]

7. This Bernie supporter stands with Bravenak!

[Dems to Win]

146. +1

[ReRe]

174. +2

... as well as 1STB and all AA's as well.

[LiberalArkie]

9. I do also.

[rpannier]

10. Mr. Citizen is an asshat

Mr. Citizen is a pathetic excuse for a human being
Mr Citizen would be kicked to the curb by Sen Sanders, the man Mr Citizen claims to support
Mr Citizen can go f@@k himself
Mr Citizen is what is wrong with politics
Mr Citizen sounds as if he/she would be more at home with Donald Trump

[brush]

36. Putting on the threatening, racist letter to Bravenak that he is a Sanders supporter is too . . .

obvious. Is this person trying to make it seem he's a Sanders supporter?

It gives me pause as to whether to keep coming here. This place has gotten infested with the same damn racism as the rest of the country.

I am extremely disappointed — weird, racist alerters gaming the juries, getting prominent AA posters suspended — WTF DU?

[Cha]

157. Yeah, they are obvious.. I believe it is a BS supporter.

[SidDithers]

12. Yup...

to bravenak

Sid

[gordianot]

13. That is pathetic sending an anonymous note and support Bravenak's response.

As an actual Sanders supporter I have had a single run in with those claiming to support Sanders never with those from any other Democratic candidates.

[2naSalit]

14. +1

...and some say there's no trolling of this sort on DU.

I stand with Bravenak too.

2na

[Starry Messenger]

15. Cowards who hide in the dark.

We see you.

[ReRe]

175. Cowards who hide in the dark....

... will eventually get their come-upens. And I hope they find this SOB & he gets his sooner instead of later.

[marble falls]

16. This Bernie supporter stands with bravenak.

[PeaceNikki]

17. Today we are all bravenak

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Some of the language is actually threatening....

If all the letter said is " Ha Ha, we got you time outed" it would be bad enough because they searched for her home address but there is an implied threat.

I hope she takes it to the police.

[PeaceNikki]

37. I know. It's deeply disturbing.

[passiveporcupine]

195. It had to hit like a punch in the gut when she read that

They were only threatening to "alert spam" her until she was again suspended...nothing direct and physical, but it doesn't matter. When you get a threat like that, that invades your personal space, it's like a physical punch in the stomach.

I hope the perp is discovered, and permanently banned from DU if they are from here.

I am wondering though...someone mentioned she was a member of discussionist. It seems to me that it would be far more likely that a discussionist member would have the mentality to pull this kind of shit. I know there are people here who can be pretty excitable and angry, but discussionist is open to a lot more volatility than DU allows.

I had noticed that Bravenak has been gone for some time, and I've missed her. I didn't know what happened or why she was gone. Will she be allowed back soon?

[Gman]

25. +1

[Borchkins]

18. I do, too.

This is disgusting.

[mcar]

19. I stand with bravenak

[LWolf]

21. So do I.

Is this real? I mean, a real message from a real DUer?

If so, can that DUer be alerted on?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Not a message...

A letter sent to her home by a person who stalked her.

[LWolf]

32. stalking...yes.

I hope she, and others, are following through on this.

[aikoaiko]

22. Sending that letter was a despicable act by a hater.

[Gman]

24. Supporting Bravenak over the evil

That permeates here these days.

[NuclearDem]

26. So do I.

She's one of the good ones.

[WillyT]

27. Me Too...

[Hiraeth]

28. "we" ? not me. Some "man" wrote this ? Whomever it is, should be banned, imo.

[msanthrope]

29. Not only am I standing with bravenak, I am encouraging her

to report this to the police, and to admin. Ban any DUer who sends shit to another DUers home.

[Bubzer]

62. +1

[FSogol]

160. +1. Agreed. n/t

[Cha]

192. She's done both, msanthrope~

[BooScout]

31. I too stand with Bravenak...

She is my friend and when your friends get hurt, we all get hurt.

[bullwinkle428]

33. Bravenak absolutely belongs back on DU.

Stalkers certainly do not.

[BlueCaliDem]

34. I do, too. eom

[magical thyme]

35. it's shameful and an absolute disgrace.

I disagree with Bravenak on some issues, but I absolutely stand with her. There is no room for this behavior. I hope they find out who is behind it and ban that cretin for good.

[a2liberal]

38. wait, this was mailed to her??

I had assumed when reading the op that it was du mail printed out for effect. If that was real mail, that is way way way way out of line for whoever stalked her and sent it.

[Starry Messenger]

103. Yes, it was mailed to her home address.

[Tumbulu]

212. How would anyone get her home address from DU?

Cant the admin people figure this out?

[George II]

39. Free Bravenak

[Bobbie Jo]

40. I just saw this

I am just at a loss for words.

What the actual fuck????? To think that this pathetic coward is among us just creeps me the fuck out.

I hope they identify this creep immediately.

eta: I would start with the alert squad targeting bravenak and go from there. This person puts an emphasis on the alert/suspension thing. I'm thinking they were part of the pack.

I stand with Bravenak.

[murielm99]

50. Get rid of the entire alert squad.

They are ruining this place.

And I am not leaving, nor should any AA members or HRC supporters. We need to stand up to them and reclaim this place.

All Bernie supporters should reexamine their behavior here. Their arrogance led to this.

In the very thread that explained this incident, several AA members were alerted and posts were removed. 1strongblackman was silenced as a result of hides in the thread. It has not ended.

[GitRDun]

56. KMOD went over 5 hides in that thread as well

The cukture has gone off the rails in DU.

I stand with bravenak, 1SBM, and KMOD as well.

[Bobbie Jo]

59. No arguments here....

I'm just now working my way through the other thread.

I knew they would eventually take out 1SBM too, it was just a matter of time and opportunity.

What a fucking menace.

Damn.

[PoutrageFatigue]

61. "All Bernie supporters should reexamine their behavior here. Their arrogance led to this."

ALL Bernie supporters? "Their" arrogance?

Fuck off with that shit...

[murielm99]

80. Yes, ALL.

Go to your little room and decide how you are going to police yourselves. You encouraged this with your arrogance.

And don't you dare tell me to fuck off. That just proves my point.

[PoutrageFatigue]

83. Broad brush smears...how tolerant...

[murielm99]

84. Says the person who told me to fuck off???

[PoutrageFatigue]

85. I did no such thing...

YOUR broad brush smear of ALL Bernie supporters is wholly unwarranted and completely counter-productive...

[murielm99]

86. Go look at post #61.

It is yours.

[PoutrageFatigue]

87. I know it is.

And nowhere did I tell you to fuck off.

Next?

[murielm99]

88. Goodbye.

[PoutrageFatigue]

89. So long!

[Number23]

185. Your first completely needless post in this thread was

ALL Bernie supporters? "Their" arrogance?

Fuck off with that shit...

And now you're saying "And nowhere did I tell you to fuck off."

[PoutrageFatigue]

196. Your first needless response to my post in this thread...

Nowhere did I tell anyone to fuck off. I told them to fuck off WITH THAT SHIT

See the difference?

If I had told someone to flat out 'fuck off' I'd expect a hide. But I didn't. Someone made a sweeping generalization and I said 'fuck off with THATshit...

[Number23]

198. Oh Good Lord...

That is the dumbest thing I have ever seen anyone post here. Bar none.

Perhaps you just need to back away from this thread. Thanks.

[PoutrageFatigue]

199. Or you could try reading comprehension....

Your call....

[Number23]

203. Reading comprehension is what's lead to your troubles in this forum. And your lack of basic manners

has certainly not helped you one bit.

Your "contribution" to this forum is lacking in every sense of the word and this is the last time I'm going to ask you to stop coming in here.

[PoutrageFatigue]

204. When was the first?

Please be specific. Show me specifically where you said I shouldn't post here.

Thanks!

[Number23]

205. When I asked you quite clearly to back away from this thread. No wonder you're so concerned

about reading comprehension.

[PoutrageFatigue]

206. Please quote the post, word for word....

Where you "quite clearly asked me to back away"...

I'll wait....

[Number23]

207. Why do you think anyone is interested enough in you to want to play these games?

You tell someone to fuck off and then deny it two posts later as if no one can see it.

Post #198 is where I clearly asked you to back away from this thread. Now you're acting like you can't see that either.

I'm blocking you from this forum. Just in case you can't see this note either, you'll get a PM as well which should help with the inevitable confusion.

[gollygee]

208. Holy crap

That IP should be compared to other IPs.

[Number23]

209. This whole site should be sent to some psycho analytical grad student that loves a challenge.

[gollygee]

210. ROFL

Truer words have not been spoken. Things are crazy here and I'm very ready for the primaries to be over.

[Agschmid]

200. Yup.

[randys1]

95. Well, it isnt all because I am a Bernie supporter, but I know what you mean and I understand

your anger and where we really understand each other is this constant need to make sure we say things EXACTLY right or certain people will be offended.

By certain people I mean people who look like me.

Well, they arent as handsome as I am, but same complexion.




It shouldnt be controversial for a white person to criticize white people as a whole, it should be encouraged given the chaos we have caused over the centuries, but I cant do that here....i have tried, cant do it.

[Bubzer]

63. Please consider dialing back your broad-brush comment.

There are a few individuals who are problems, both in the Bernie group and the Hillary group. They should be identified and dealt with as they appear... but maligning an entire group for the actions of a few individuals will widen division. We should work to bridge that gap.

[DanTex]

65. Jury results.

On Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:20 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Get rid of the entire alert squad.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=24817

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Divisive group attack on Sanders supporters. This kind of behavior is not helping.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:33 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is the truth.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Broad-brush insult of DU members
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This letter looks like RW troll material. Blaming all Bernie supporters is divisive....it serves no purpose.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Please.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Bubzer]

68. Seriously? Come on guys, how about giving murielm99 a chance to change the comment.

Its pretty mild compared to some I've seen. Try messaging or asking in the thread for a change in the post first instead of going straight for the alert button perhaps?

[gollygee]

120. This earned 3 "hide" votes?

The problem is that there is a group of Sanders supporters who vote to hide every single person who says anything even slightly negative about Sanders, and probably anyone with a Clinton logo or whom they know is voting for Clinton.

[sheshe2]

129. Good thing I changed my

HRC avatar to free bravenak. I am safe now or not.

[randys1]

71. Absolutely, where is the thread where they SILENCED 1strngblackman ? where is that post

or thread please?

I cant believe, after this happened to Bravenak, and the people who run this place know about it, that I didnt wake up today to a new announcement that the jury system is history forever.

AMAZING

[rhett o rick]

92. Why assume it's a Bernie Sanders supporter? That is most likely the intent of the letter

author.

[840high]

97. That was my thought - that

some little, devious mind wanted to make it appear that a Sanders supporter was to blame.

[Bobbie Jo]

99. I'll say one thing about that...

the letter writer has the attitude down COLD.

"a whole fucking bunch."

Another conspiracy theory? Why drag this up in here?

eta: perhaps efforts would be better spent condemning the behavior rather than covering behind.

[rhett o rick]

105. The behavior of the letter writer is reprehensible. But it doesn't help

the problem by claiming it's a Sen Sanders supporter that wrote it. We do not know who wrote it. Looks like someone that wanted to besmirch Sen Sanders to me. I hope the Admins get to the bottom of it.

[Bobbie Jo]

107. How about this...

The behavior of the letter writer was reprehensible.

Period.

[jwirr]

130. Exactly.

[Agschmid]

201. You won't get that from that one.

Ulterior motives and all.

But it's spot on, good post.

[awoke_in_2003]

94. All?

I have to disagree. This "us against them" attitude that some in both camps cling to is not productive.

[passiveporcupine]

113. Your assertions are ridiculous

Did you ever stop to think that the alerts happened because a few posters really are pushing the limits of "acceptability" and the people who tend to be alerters are always ready and watching for this. Why aren't they alerting on other posters?

It's not because other posters have posted things they disagree with, but because other posters are not "pushing the limits".

I like 1strongblackman (and bravenak), and am not an alerter...and am dismayed that so many people do seem to be alert stalkers...but that is just who they are, and they will go after the most viable target...meaning they will go after those who push the limits.

I wish alerts and juries were not even happening here. But those who get alerted on often, are usually getting alerted on for a reason. Not necessarily a justifiable reason (as is proven by all the alerts that don't result in a hide).

I just don't think it's fair to say that this is happening because of "Bernie supporters". I think Hillary supporters tend to alert stalk too. It's just something that happens when there is a schism on the board.

And some people are just insecure or judgemental enough that they need to alert on anything that upsets them.

[Chemisse]

155. I agree completely.

"It's just something that happens when there is a schism on the board."

I came to DU just after Obama was elected, but the schism from the Obama/Clinton primaries is still talked about now. It was that bad.

Right now, both sides are being ridiculous. When the primary is over, the bitterness here will be palpable, and will sour DU right through the general election.

I think everybody should tone it down. It should never get so bad here that someone is inspired to hunt down a DUer's address and send them threatening mail. It should never get so bad that some people believe they are being 'silenced'.

In my opinion, the appropriate response to this situation is to lower the tension here. Blaming Bernie supporters for this is just cranking it up yet another notch.

[Chemisse]

149. Good idea; I hope the admins are doing that.

There are a number of ways this creep could be tracked down.

But in the future, disabling 'alert packs' would be a good idea, perhaps by putting a limit on alerts. Jurors could be better selected as well. For starters, anyone who comments on the poster rather than the post should be taken out of the jury pool.

[greatauntoftriplets]

41. I stand with bravenak.

What Mr. Citizen did to her is fucked up beyond belief.

[geardaddy]

42. I too stand with Bravenak.

Solidarity

[murielm99]

43. I stand with her, too.

[trumad]

44. Can we see the envelope and postmark?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. She said the postmark was from Florida!

"...They wrote an address in town but it was post marked florida. I think they wanted me to think they were close by and to route it through the russian jack station. Never seen some old punk shit like this before. Trying to be incognito."

-bravenak

[Bubzer]

67. Disgusting. I hope she's reporting this crap.

[trumad]

74. Dang..

Thought we could narrow it down.

[Sheldon Cooper]

82. Here is a pic from the other thread:

[tblue37]

45. This is a promise to alert stalk her. I have seen such stalking. It is rare, and only a few

specific members are subject to it, but for them, alert stalking IS real.

I never refuse jury service any more, because I feel an obligation to block frivolous alerts that are obviously intended either to suppress differing opinion in an innocuous post or to get someone suspended.

[Bubzer]

69. A big +1!!!!!!

We need more like you! Stick around!

[jwirr]

137. When I go into a jury I do it with the idea that I am

going to let it stand and it has to be very bad for me to decide to hide. Most are ridiculous anyhow.



I stand with Bravenak because she is my friend.

[tblue37]

145. I agree with everything you've said here. nt

[jwirr]

148. Thank you. This is the first time I have been in the

AA group.

[tblue37]

150. I am not AA myself, but this is one cool group, and some of my favorite DUers post here

(that is, when they've not been alert-stalked into undeserved suspensions).

I do come here often and sometimes post in AA.

[HubertHeaver]

164. Innocent until proven guilty.

As it should be.

[jwirr]

165. Yes, tonight I asked to be excused because I felt I

was too involved. I did not think I could make the judgement.

[tblue37]

46. Oh, and KnR. I stand with bravenack, too! nt

[d_b]

47. DU is a dump

has been for years. Petty infighting, the cliques, the trolls, and bullshit.

[byronius]

118. But but but --

I'm here! So it's a freaking paradise garden. Over in my corner.

I have been caught bullshitting, though. No infighting or cliques, and trolls are pretty easy to identify.

Paradise ovah heah.

[tosh]

49. Bravenak belongs here.

"Mr. Citizen" does not.

This is unacceptable.

I want ""Mr. Citizen" banned from this community.

[Tanuki]

51. I stand with Bravenak and also with 1StrongBlackMan.

And with any others who have been hounded off this site by alert-stalking fascist cowards
who have no respect for free speech. This letter is a disgrace and probably actionable.

[Jack Rabbit]

52. That's awful

I agree 100%, DSB. Whoever mailed that should be ashamed of himself.

Somebody is taking his politics a wee bit too seriously here and needs a rest.

[catbyte]

53. Wow. Shame on whoever sent that.

I'm really disappointed. I've been a DU member since 2002, and I've seen an eroding of civility here as I've seen everywhere. This should be a safe haven to discuss our views without fear of being attacked. We should be better than this.

[TBF]

54. I support both Bravenak and Bernie -

How in the world did this person get Bravenak's address to mail it? That is what scares me.

[salib]

100. We need to be asking this question more forcefully.

How did this person obtain this information? Is there a security hack with DU?

[TBF]

106. Exactly - I'd like to hear an admin weigh in on this.

I'm not only disgusted by the alerting but mortified that folks could get our home addresses. What in the hell is going on here?

[sketchy]

109. Skinner replied in the locked thread called "FYI..." by 1StrongBlackMan

link to thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118724424#post160

See reply 160.:


Skinner (60,637 posts)

160. That is really disturbing.

I am in contact with bravenak by private message, and I let her know that I will do anything I can to help figure out who is responsible.

Skinner
DU Admin

[TBF]

123. Excellent - thank you

I'm glad he's on it already.

[avebury]

55. Standing united! n/t

[amb123]

57. A clear case of Intimidation

This is something Tea Partiers/Republicans would do. I want Bernie Sanders to win but NOT THIS WAY. I stand with Bravenak.

[Bubzer]

70. +1

[blackspade]

58. There is not a bit of truth to the 'allegations' in this letter.

Bravenak is an awesome DU member, unlike the asshole that sent this letter.

My personal response to 'Mr Citizen' is, "go fuck yourself"
Bravenak has more integrity and intelligence than most and infinity more that 'Mr Citizen'

[Bubzer]

64. I also stand with Bravenak!

May she come back soon!

[mopinko]

66. sure hope this person gets caught.

would be nice if the guys looked into the alert patterns here, too. i know they do, generically, but specifically those in this forum.

[Bubzer]

72. Can't the admins see who's alerting? Might be worth checking all those who alerted on Bravenak...

might help find who's stalking her.

[mopinko]

73. yup, they can.

i suspect that there is a lot of light that admins can shed on this. i trust they will do so.

[Bubzer]

75. Good to know! Can't happen soon enough!

[bvar22]

112. When DU3 was first introduced,

there was the promise of transparent Alerts.



Activating this feature would END all the real Alert Stalkings,
and the imaginary ones too.

[Bubzer]

115. That would be fantastic!!! Though that raises another question... when was DU3 introduced?

I'm asking cause it seems something like that should already be in effect.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

76. Me, too.

That's some nasty shit - actually finding out, somehow, where somebody lives and sending a nasty letter is as creepy as hell. I hope whoever did it is found out. Bravenak doesn't deserve this. Sane, decent people don't stalk people IRL just because they don't agree with them on an Internet message board.

[stonecutter357]

77. I stand with Bravenak

[stevenleser]

79. I stand with bravenak and all the rest I noted here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118724852

[d_legendary1]

90. This goes beyond politics

This is threatening someone's personal life. They might as well have attached a red brick to the letter. The authorities need to get involved in this matter. Having a difference of opinion is one thing; physically going to someone's domecile to drop off hate mail is another.

I stand with bravenak.

[McCamy Taylor]

91. Agree.

K&R

[awoke_in_2003]

93. This is the most disgusting thing

I have ever seen in my time here. I hope the postmaster can be of help- this person needs a smack down hard.

[ejbr]

98. I'm embarrassed n/t

[DonCoquixote]

101. at the risk of sounding corny

BRAVENAK'S LIFE MATTERS!

and bullshit like this is exactly why we need to say BLACK LIVES MATTER,
because certain people think their life matters more than black people.

[jwirr]

139. That is not corny. Bravenak's Life Matters.

[Person 2713]

104. Do you think it was a Sanders voter ? And to the letter writer if you are really a Sanders

supporter you still just don't get it do you? You should want to hear more from her not try to block her and not threaten her in her own home and why would you think she was lying I do not know
I bet the person is loving the attention the letter they sent caused here and reading every line .

Not sure it really is a Sanders voter, but so much other vitriol on the net in his name,so if you ARE real, you should listen more. & if you are a RW troll then I know you will never listen so don't bother playing this.
Video for sander white▶ 4:38

Aug 10, 2015 - Uploaded by Garrett Robinson
White liberal Bernie Sanders supporters, this one's for you. ... than help.....as a black man ...

[byronius]

117. Great video.

I'm trying to avoid the Ultras altogether. Some of Bernie's supporters seem to be harnessing their own mental illness to his star, and the weird vitriol they spew at anyone who can't immediately prove that they 1) hate Hillary or 2) don't worship Bernie as much as they do is frankly bizarre and utterly counterproductive.

I listened to every Randi Rhodes interview with Bernie Sanders ever recorded, and I truly dig the guy. I will probably vote for him, although I want to see the debates before I mark that box. Yet to some Bernie supporters, that statement is proof that I am a lying demon Hillary-lover. Freaking stupid, asinine behavior, and Bernie would be the first to tell them so.

It reminds me of the guy who loves Pink Floyd so much more than anyone, you can't even possibly understand how much more he loves Pink Floyd than anyone, so much so that if you listen to him for more than sixty seconds it'll ruin Pink Floyd for you.

For awhile. Okay, that's not a good analogy. Nothing could ruin Pink Floyd for me. But you get the idea.

[lovemydog]

140. Haha! I like your analogy.

That's how I feel as well.

In this situation it's like, hey that's fine we both like Pink Floyd. Just stop trying to make me hate on some other musician that I happen to like too.

Love the Abbie Hoffman avatar.

[Starry Messenger]

135. Great video.

Thank you for posting that.

[redruddyred]

197. some of the blm tactics have seemed a little bit tonedeaf

but then so do the white ex suburban kids telling them off.
I spoke to someone briefly who was actually there and she said that it wasn't as bad as the mainstream press made it out to be, which sounds about right.
I assume that his fanbois and girls were annoyed because they have some stake in his success and didn't want blm ruining his image.
not that that excuses threatening letters, wtf.
all this twitter drama has become really stupid tho. some of the people I used to follow now spend all their time addressing trolls. tweeted to one of them asking her to stop responding to racist bigots and got 20 angry messages from supporters asking me if I liked dead black people, etc. there's no reasoning with that. afterwards her troll posse started tagging me in posts insulting her I guess figuring I'd be a willing ally for team Bigot.... holy crap what a shitstorm
the thing is I think blm has the public on their side. bernie got a standing ovation when he decried cop violence at a rally in my white new england state. why do they feel they have to rush a stage? surely there are smarter tactics which don't also lead to critical pieces in the washington post.

[SunSeeker]

110. K & R

[ancianita]

111. I too do. Saw Mr. Citizen on Facebook from either Tampa (CentCom area) or Fairfax (DC area)

[Person 2713]

122. This letter she got was postmarked Tampa Fl!

[steve2470]

114. I stand with Bravenak also. Don't be silenced by the hate! nt

[lunamagica]

116. This is so scary. I hope the coward is outed, and is not only banned

but is criminally charged.

Bravenak, I'm so sorry this happened to you. But after the harassment and intimidation that you suffered here, after the way they persecuted you until they finally got you banned...I can't say I'm surprised.

[bvar22]

119. Dear "Mr Citizen",

Please come to MY house to discuss your problems.
I'll be here.

If you really are a Bernie supporter,
you do your cause no good,
and as a strong Bernie supporter myself,
I would be glad to teach you some manners,
and some basic stuff about Democracy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

121. My sentiments exactly

Dear "Mr Citizen", Please come to MY house to discuss your problems.
I'll be here.

My sentiments exactly but Mr, Citizen's M O suggests he will send you a threatening letter.

[NuclearDem]

125. Damn straight.

[randys1]

128. thank you

[steve2470]

133. +1000000 nt

[bullwinkle428]

170. +1000.

Right there with you, dude.

[JoePhilly]

126. Make Alert's public.

If you want to Alert on some one ... make it public.

HIDES are public. Make the Alerts public too.

[cascadiance]

161. How about having something like a quota of a number alerts a member can issue...

... for a certain time period, and beyond that number, perhaps either they aren't allowed any more, or perhaps we can have that user have a certain icon displayed on their DU posts indicating that they have issued a high number of alerts, so that we can see who's doing the alerting, even if we don't necessarily see which posts they are alerting on, etc. and if people stay within quotas, so that hopefully if they have a legitimate reason for alerting on people it isn't something affecting their public perceived profile then.

Maybe that would make people more judicious about how many alerts they issue and who they do it to, and dial it back so that it puts in place a disincentive to doing "alert stalking", but allows for some degree of alerts when they are needed and appropriate.

Even though I'm a Bernie supporter, I support bravenak and her not having to deal with this absolute crap that someone is doing to her! No one should have to deal with that stuff here!

Just please everyone, watch out for making broadly brushed generalized statements on any group of us here on DU. If it is found out that this person was a RW troll masquerading as a Bernie supporter, that would expose how others can use this kind of behavior against all of us. If we are all careful not to make broad statements against people we perceive in "the other camp", perhaps we can have rational statements on what we as a party want from a leader in 2016, which will allow us all to unite behind one that gets voted in as the nominee later, and hopefully be universal in our demands to that person that they support issues that a majority of us come to support if we can have thoughtful conversations on such topics instead of partisan "wars".

[ismnotwasm]

131. Not. surprised.

Out of things to say.

[Half-Century Man]

132. Bravenak stands magnificently by herself.

And if she is alright with me, I'll stand with her.

Mr. Citizen however, attacks from shadows. I would prefer to stand on him or, at least, one of his appendages.

Perhaps he views himself as some sort of discussion board sniper; verbally "firing" once or twice to destroy opposition. I don't see him as some surgical solder in the weeds. More akin to unnoticed dog shit while walking in the park. Not only is his message fecal, the smell gets on things and must be scrubbed off.

[sheshe2]

138. Thanks DSB

I stand with you bravenak.
Love you, she

[mhatrw]

141. Don't be the bullying, censoring me.

[lovemydog]

142. I stand with bravenak too.

And with onestrongblackman, kmod and other participants in the AA group who are alerted on for posting in the AA group.

Mr. Citizen. You suck. Fuck off. Get help before you hurt yourself or others close to you.

[SusanCalvin]

144. bravenak, 1SBM, and KMOD

Let them back. Right now.

[jwirr]

151. Totally agree. Obviously we have had a alerter who has

been stalking the AA group. Let them back in now.

[Iris]

216. [phone]

[Scootaloo]

152. What an asshole that person is

[riversedge]

153. I feel bad this happening.. Stalking someone is wrong just plain wrong.

[Koinos]

156. Thank you, DemocratSinceBirth.

This O'Malley supporter stands with Bravenak too.

[Cha]

159. Bravenak's Voice was Censored on DU and now this asshole has stalked her via the US Fed Mail

System.

Censoring her on DU wasn't enough.. this creep had to let her know that when she comes back she's will be censored Again.. if she doesn't keep her opinions to herself.

Mr Citizen is a fucking coward.. so afraid of a Black Woman.. that he sends an anonymous threatening letter to her HOUSE! How fucked up is that?!

"We grew tired of your race baiting bullshit against the only candidate who actually cares about the plight of minorities and the 99%. You and your fucking lying "I really like Bernie" bullshit. So you got 4 hides in one day. You deserved more.

When you come off suspension, you keep running your fucking mouth, guaranteed you're going to get alerted on and suspended again. We'll make a point of it. There's a hell of a lot more of us than of you. So I suggest you dial it back a whole fucking bunch.

GO BERNIE!!!"

Mr Citizen
DU Member

1StrongBlackMan http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=24424

bravenak

Mahalo DSB~

[steve2470]

162. +1 nt

[Skidmore]

191. Isn't it a federal crime to use the US mail in this manner?

[haele]

163. I also stand with her, no matter if I agree with her personally or no.

Stalkers are egotistical, cowardly shit for brains who can't make a coherent justification for their personal realities. Little babies in grown-up clothes.

"Mr. Citizen" - emperor in his/her own mind behind the keyboard. Coward and Criminal in real life.

Haele

[WIProgressive88]

166. I unequivocally stand with bravenak and all other posters here, regardless of which candidate

they choose to support or not support, who face bullying and intimidation from those who wish to silence their voices, particularly the many wonderful African American members of the DU community who are undeniably being targeted for expressing their beliefs and sharing their experiences.

[Laser102]

167. This is criminal. Should be turned over to the police. I stand with Bravenak.

[nomorenomore08]

168. Whoever this stupid fucker is, he has the mental maturity of (being generous here) a 12-year-old.

That letter sure looks like a temper tantrum, if I ever saw one.

If there's anything to take comfort in, it's the fact that, being a Sanders supporter, he's relatively unlikely to own firearms.

[gregcrawford]

169. I was on the jury...

... for an alert against a post in support of Bravenak. I, too, support Bravenak. I also support Bernie Sanders, and people of color, and I do not believe that the lowlife that targeted Bravenak is really a Sanders supporter. I think he is a troll. My hatred of racists knows no boundaries. I am a Liberal down to my DNA, but I am no pacifist.

[Marrah_G]

171. I can't believe this happened :(

[Mister Ed]

172. I stand with Bravenak and 1SBM. I know they will not be silenced, even if driven from this board.

I have serious doubts that the stalker is a Sanders supporter, or even a Democrat, in real life. And I'm absolutely certain that Sanders wants no such supporter.

[DonCoquixote]

176. I stand with Bravenak

and 1strong, and everyone else that was targeted.

YES, Black Lives matter,
and the fact that needs to be said on DU is sad.

[PatrickforO]

177. I can't help but wonder if 'mr. citizen' is a paid troll. A provocateur.

We saw this kind of thing recently in Occupy, and it stretches back all the way through the women's movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, and the labor movement. The establishment hates it when there's someone or some group that's challenging them, because they never give up anything unless forced. So, they practice what used to be called COINTELPRO - basically then infiltrate the group and lead them toward violence or unlawful behavior so they can be crushed.

But I question the 'we.' This horrible stalker 'mr. citizen' says, "We'll make it a point to..."

But I'll say this - as a Bernie supporter, no one on here has EVER come to me and said, "Hey, let's 'get' so and so through lots of alerts, etc." Because if they did, I'd tell them to fuck off. Last time I looked we were all free to have whatever opinions we will.

The thing that worries me is this jerk actually FOUND out who another member is. I'm thinking I'm gonna clean up my profile for a bit more anonymity and suggest all do same.

And, I'm very sorry this happened. It's awful.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

178. so how did someone get mailing address ?

[JEB]

179. Why on earth would anyone send that letter?

Stupid on so many levels. It is not bravenak's style to back down in a disagreement and I'm certain she will not back down this time either. Seems to me to be more of a provocation, a rather dim witted and pathetic attempt. How did the letter writer find bravenak's real name and address? Seems to be the key to this.

[yuiyoshida]

180. I always seem to be at the bottom of the list but yes

I stand with Bravenak

[UtahLib]

182. My heart is with you , Bravenak. Never surrender to the haters. nt

[raven mad]

184. So do I. I'm Alaskan. So is bravenak. Post this stuff in GD - we will ALL respond.

Fairbanks, Alaska reporting in.

[Lunabell]

187. OMG, this was sent to her home?

Truly scary. I don't even know the back story to all this, but this is frightening that someone on here got a letter to their house. And doing it in Bernie Sanders' name and not signing their own name is a cowardly thing to do. I stand with Bravenak. because no one deserves this kind of treatment here on DU!

[rbrnmw]

188. I stand with Bravenak

She is one of my favorites

[myrna minx]

189. I too, stand with Bravenak. She's a DU treasure.

This is a new low for DU, but we can now link arms in support of FAMILY.

The craven letter writer speaks for himself alone. Their slime cannot stand on it's own, so he has to use the royal "we".

[Skidmore]

190. I stand with her too.

This is just disgusting. Cowardly. Despicable. Mr. Citizen does his candidate no favors.

[yardwork]

193. Whoever mailed this letter should be ashamed of themselves.

I hope that they take a step back. And I hope that Bravenak and her family are ok.

[Heidi]

202. I stand with bravenak!

[salin]

211. I do as well.

Threatening behavior to send to rl address.

[tblue]

213. Sounds to me like a Repub wrote that letter

But whoever wrote it, this Bernie supporter apologizes for the aholes among us.

Sending to Bravenak. I'm so so so sorry this happened. Bernie would NEVER condone anything like this. Please don't blame this on him.

I could throw up. That letter makes me want to scream.

[AllyCat]

214. This Sanders supporter stands with bravenak

[Skwmom]

215. The person who sent it is more than pathetic.

Hopefully, they will be held accountable.