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Related: About this forumRegarding the link between white supremacy, racism (and Islamophobia), and "Western" civilization
Some excerpts from a blog post I found-dated December 2014. It's long, but really, really good-IMHO. You should definitely check out the rest of the blog, as well.
CNNs Fareed Zakaria recorded a segment where he made alarming claims that Muslims are not doing enough to confront extremism within their communities. As many Muslims know, this is not the first time weve heard this. In fact, since 9/11, we have been hearing politicians, newscasters, celebrities, teachers, co-workers, and even some of our friends constantly ask, Where are all the moderate Muslims? or Why arent the moderate Muslims doing anything to stop these extremists?
3. They also need to make sure that Muslim countries and societies do not in any way condone extremism, anti-modern attitudes and intolerance towards other faiths.
This is troubling for so many reasons. Zakaria speaks as if every Muslim has a direct line to the governments of Muslim-majority countries. Again, the responsibility is placed on all Muslims to solve things like government corruption, discrimination against non-Muslim minorities, etc. How Zakaria managed to forget about the way power structures operate is beyond me. How can Muslims make sure that Muslim-majority countries dont oppress religious minorities, for example, when Americans protesting the war against Iraq were not able to stop the war? Also, did Zakaria forget about the marches, protests, and revolutions that took/take place in Muslim-majority countries? The logic here is also terribly flawed and loaded with Orientalism. Yes, it is true that Islam teaches Muslims that we are all connected spiritually, but Zakaria speaks about Muslims as though we are a monolithic group; that we are all networked with each other, despite the immense diversity among and within Muslim societies and communities around the world.
As for anti-modern attitudes, this should raise our concerns about how modernity has become synonymous with western civilization, as well as how this language is heavily racialized. By calling Muslim-majority countries anti-modern, it fits into the ongoing narrative that Muslims are trapped in the pre-modern and have not caught up with the modern/western world. Colonialism, slavery of Africans, genocide against Indigenous Peoples of the Americas, economic exploitation, incarceration of people of color, specifically black people, extrajudicial killings, using nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki, waging wars and invading other countries, backing occupation and settler-colonialism in Palestine, appropriating a Middle Eastern man (Jesus) and transforming him into a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white man to teach black people and other people of color that they are inferior to white people these are all things that happened and happen in the so-called modern west. To resist these forces of oppression is to be anti-modern?
Of course, when these narratives of modernity are used against Islam and Muslims, they invoke things like human rights of women, LGBTQIA2-S, religious minorities, and so on. Because we all know the United States and other western nations are societies that champion equality and justice for everyone.I dont raise this critique to ignore or invisibilize the very real struggles many marginalized communities endure in certain Muslim-majority countries, but rather to highlight on how western nations use and exploit these struggles to (1) justify exerting dominance and violence over Muslim-majority countries, and (2) trivialize and/or invisibilize the very real struggles that women, LGBTQIA2-S, people of color, indigenous peoples, and other marginalized peoples face in western countries. Perhaps most importantly, inherit in these anti-modern versus modern attitudes are violent notions of white saviorism, i.e. saving people through use of bombs and ruthless military invasions, as if the people living in Muslim-majority or non-western countries do not have a conscious for social justice or arent organizing, protesting, or speaking out against oppression. Its the west, specifically the United States, that needs to save and modernize the darker and uncivilized people through the use of violent force.
This is troubling for so many reasons. Zakaria speaks as if every Muslim has a direct line to the governments of Muslim-majority countries. Again, the responsibility is placed on all Muslims to solve things like government corruption, discrimination against non-Muslim minorities, etc. How Zakaria managed to forget about the way power structures operate is beyond me. How can Muslims make sure that Muslim-majority countries dont oppress religious minorities, for example, when Americans protesting the war against Iraq were not able to stop the war? Also, did Zakaria forget about the marches, protests, and revolutions that took/take place in Muslim-majority countries? The logic here is also terribly flawed and loaded with Orientalism. Yes, it is true that Islam teaches Muslims that we are all connected spiritually, but Zakaria speaks about Muslims as though we are a monolithic group; that we are all networked with each other, despite the immense diversity among and within Muslim societies and communities around the world.
As for anti-modern attitudes, this should raise our concerns about how modernity has become synonymous with western civilization, as well as how this language is heavily racialized. By calling Muslim-majority countries anti-modern, it fits into the ongoing narrative that Muslims are trapped in the pre-modern and have not caught up with the modern/western world. Colonialism, slavery of Africans, genocide against Indigenous Peoples of the Americas, economic exploitation, incarceration of people of color, specifically black people, extrajudicial killings, using nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki, waging wars and invading other countries, backing occupation and settler-colonialism in Palestine, appropriating a Middle Eastern man (Jesus) and transforming him into a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white man to teach black people and other people of color that they are inferior to white people these are all things that happened and happen in the so-called modern west. To resist these forces of oppression is to be anti-modern?
Of course, when these narratives of modernity are used against Islam and Muslims, they invoke things like human rights of women, LGBTQIA2-S, religious minorities, and so on. Because we all know the United States and other western nations are societies that champion equality and justice for everyone.I dont raise this critique to ignore or invisibilize the very real struggles many marginalized communities endure in certain Muslim-majority countries, but rather to highlight on how western nations use and exploit these struggles to (1) justify exerting dominance and violence over Muslim-majority countries, and (2) trivialize and/or invisibilize the very real struggles that women, LGBTQIA2-S, people of color, indigenous peoples, and other marginalized peoples face in western countries. Perhaps most importantly, inherit in these anti-modern versus modern attitudes are violent notions of white saviorism, i.e. saving people through use of bombs and ruthless military invasions, as if the people living in Muslim-majority or non-western countries do not have a conscious for social justice or arent organizing, protesting, or speaking out against oppression. Its the west, specifically the United States, that needs to save and modernize the darker and uncivilized people through the use of violent force.
4. Muslims are right to complain that there is anti-Muslim bigotry out there. But they would have a more persuasive case if they took on some of the bigotry within the world of Islam as well.
This part of Zakarias video probably upset me the most. Ill get to his use of the term bigotry in a second, but the part about Muslims needing to have a more persuasive case against Islamophobia is quite disturbing. So, we have to be more persuasive to show white people that we are human? Because the way Islam and Muslims are demonized is somehow our fault? According to Zakaria, if Muslims experience Islamophobia, they cannot challenge it unless they took on some of the bigotry in the world of Islam as well (again, note the orientalist language: world of Islam).
A few things: first, when Zakaria talks about anti-Muslim bigotry, his use of bigotry becomes a soft word here. He is reducing Islamophobia to interpersonal forms of racism, i.e. hurt feelings, and individual people being mean and bigoted towards other people. He is not addressing, let alone acknowledging, the larger structures of white supremacy and violence that is foundational to the United States. As I quoted Houria Boutelja in one of my previous posts, Islamophobia is first and foremost state racism. We have seen Muslims detained, deported, bombed, tortured, raped, occupied, discriminated against, denied rights, spied upon, demonized in media, collectively blamed thats not bigotry, thats state racism rooted in the U.S. political system which bell hooks describes as imperialist white-supremacist capitalist patriarchy.
Second, Zakaria is (deliberately or not) blaming Muslims for Islamophobia. His statement about Muslims potentially having a more persuasive case against Islamophobia if they would only challenge extremism in every corner of the world (preferably in superhuman fashion) aligns with the harmful notion that Islamophobia only exists because of these extremists, therefore we must condemn their violence and eliminate them if we want Islamophobia to end. Zakarias statements are harmful because they reinforce all of the mainstream and Islamophobic demands on Muslims, i.e. Muslims need to apologize for violence, they need to do more against extremism if they want to be accepted in the modern world, they need to stop complaining about bigotry because Muslim-majority governments are oppressive, etc. All of this vilifies Muslims, casts them as suspicious and potential threats, and silences Muslims who are victimized by Islamophobia.
This blaming of the oppressed is nothing new, as many people of color know. It was evident in history and it is evident today. When Zakaria hears about the surveillance of Muslim students or Muslim neighborhoods, does he think this violation of civil rights occurs because Muslims havent made a more persuasive case about their humanity? When Muslims of all ages and genders are physically assaulted or beaten for being Muslim, does Zakaria think the victims could have prevented this violence if they had only took on some of the bigotry within Muslim-majority countries? What is the correct response for Muslims when their mosques are vandalized, shot at, or receive threatening messages (like a pigs head being thrown at a mosque entrance)? Is it, Its our fault, we are not doing enough to fight the extremists everywhere? What should civil rights advocates say to people victimized by racism, misogyny, homophobia, Islamophobia, etc. Sorry, I cant help you because youre havent convinced me that you are human?
Lastly, its time to play the broken record (which, sadly, needs to be replayed over and over again): White people are never expected to apologize or answer for the heinous actions of other white people. Look at the white men like James Holmes, Wade Michael Page, Adam Lanza, Elliot Rodger, Timothy McVeigh, and countless others who cause so much terror and yet are never used to collectively blame the entire white population. Where are the leaders of the white community condemning these atrocious acts of violence against innocent people? Zakaria asks when moderate Muslims will say enough is enough,' yet it is never asked when moderate white people will say enough is enough when it comes to police brutality and murder against black men and women, or school shootings, or the terrorist attack on the Sikh Gurdwara, or white-on-white murder, or the ongoing genocide against Indigenous Peoples. Where are the calls for white folks to take more active measures to protest these heinous acts?
This part of Zakarias video probably upset me the most. Ill get to his use of the term bigotry in a second, but the part about Muslims needing to have a more persuasive case against Islamophobia is quite disturbing. So, we have to be more persuasive to show white people that we are human? Because the way Islam and Muslims are demonized is somehow our fault? According to Zakaria, if Muslims experience Islamophobia, they cannot challenge it unless they took on some of the bigotry in the world of Islam as well (again, note the orientalist language: world of Islam).
A few things: first, when Zakaria talks about anti-Muslim bigotry, his use of bigotry becomes a soft word here. He is reducing Islamophobia to interpersonal forms of racism, i.e. hurt feelings, and individual people being mean and bigoted towards other people. He is not addressing, let alone acknowledging, the larger structures of white supremacy and violence that is foundational to the United States. As I quoted Houria Boutelja in one of my previous posts, Islamophobia is first and foremost state racism. We have seen Muslims detained, deported, bombed, tortured, raped, occupied, discriminated against, denied rights, spied upon, demonized in media, collectively blamed thats not bigotry, thats state racism rooted in the U.S. political system which bell hooks describes as imperialist white-supremacist capitalist patriarchy.
Second, Zakaria is (deliberately or not) blaming Muslims for Islamophobia. His statement about Muslims potentially having a more persuasive case against Islamophobia if they would only challenge extremism in every corner of the world (preferably in superhuman fashion) aligns with the harmful notion that Islamophobia only exists because of these extremists, therefore we must condemn their violence and eliminate them if we want Islamophobia to end. Zakarias statements are harmful because they reinforce all of the mainstream and Islamophobic demands on Muslims, i.e. Muslims need to apologize for violence, they need to do more against extremism if they want to be accepted in the modern world, they need to stop complaining about bigotry because Muslim-majority governments are oppressive, etc. All of this vilifies Muslims, casts them as suspicious and potential threats, and silences Muslims who are victimized by Islamophobia.
This blaming of the oppressed is nothing new, as many people of color know. It was evident in history and it is evident today. When Zakaria hears about the surveillance of Muslim students or Muslim neighborhoods, does he think this violation of civil rights occurs because Muslims havent made a more persuasive case about their humanity? When Muslims of all ages and genders are physically assaulted or beaten for being Muslim, does Zakaria think the victims could have prevented this violence if they had only took on some of the bigotry within Muslim-majority countries? What is the correct response for Muslims when their mosques are vandalized, shot at, or receive threatening messages (like a pigs head being thrown at a mosque entrance)? Is it, Its our fault, we are not doing enough to fight the extremists everywhere? What should civil rights advocates say to people victimized by racism, misogyny, homophobia, Islamophobia, etc. Sorry, I cant help you because youre havent convinced me that you are human?
Lastly, its time to play the broken record (which, sadly, needs to be replayed over and over again): White people are never expected to apologize or answer for the heinous actions of other white people. Look at the white men like James Holmes, Wade Michael Page, Adam Lanza, Elliot Rodger, Timothy McVeigh, and countless others who cause so much terror and yet are never used to collectively blame the entire white population. Where are the leaders of the white community condemning these atrocious acts of violence against innocent people? Zakaria asks when moderate Muslims will say enough is enough,' yet it is never asked when moderate white people will say enough is enough when it comes to police brutality and murder against black men and women, or school shootings, or the terrorist attack on the Sikh Gurdwara, or white-on-white murder, or the ongoing genocide against Indigenous Peoples. Where are the calls for white folks to take more active measures to protest these heinous acts?
https://muslimreverie.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/why-fareed-zakarias-comments-about-muslims-are-harmful/
Rhetorical question: How much of what is illustrated above also applies to issues of racism and racial justice within the United States in regards to African-Americans?
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Regarding the link between white supremacy, racism (and Islamophobia), and "Western" civilization (Original Post)
YoungDemCA
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another excellent post from, YoungDemCA. Thank you.