Slob hunter Joel87 bought his AR-15 to shoot at crows

[Kolesar]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).

I surfed to Walmart to see what these rifles are all about. The first of these military clones I looked at was made by "Sig Sauer". For about $1000, Americans can buy fast repeating rifle with a 16 inch barrel. Joel from Ludington cites his target shooting performance and he also uses his rifle to kill songbirds for amusement.

Off the bench I'm averaging 1.5" to 2.5" 5-shot groups at 100 yards with the cheap American Eagle AR-223 rounds. I would imagine that some higher quality ammo along with a trigger job could produce tighter groups. I've since replaced the hand guard with a quad rail, and swapped the trigger for a LWRC Enhanced Fire Control Group. I've also started using a Center Point 4-16X-40 scope for some long range "sniper" shots at crows.

Read the "Customer Product Reviews"
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-with-Prismatic-Scope/21677320

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. isn't this more of a hunting thread? SoP and all that jazz.

[Kolesar]

2. The gun community needs to police itself for public relations.

What he is doing is illegal. My republican neighbor did something like that in July. We raised our objections and he is still not speaking to us.

The gun community also needs to police itself by not leaving firearms where kids can get to them and shoot up the school. That is really bad publicity for the "arms everywhere" advocates. They are going to be regulated on account of the stupids among their buyers.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. dude, this is DU. get a grip. we all have rules we have to abide by.

[oldhippie]

4. It is not illegal to hunt crows .....

... anywhere where I have ever lived. Maybe where you live it is. Crows are not songbirds nor migratory birds, at least here in Texas. Walmart is a national chain, they have customers all over.

[Kolesar]

6. "Joel" is still a slob hunter

"Slob hunter" is a term that Edward Abbey used to describe trophy hunters.
Crows have been killed by the West Nile Virus and their population is depleted.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. Slob Hunters belong in the Outdoor Life Group. just saying.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. re: "...police itself for public relations."

You're free to express that opinion as is that Sig owner his.

[ileus]

5. I've only killed a few crows with my wifes ar

I set it up for hunting....4x12 scope and it's a great little shooter. It's also a damnable fine coyote gun. Over in WV 223 is legal for whitetail but I haven't been but twice.

Really impressed with the accuracy one can squeeze out of a stock AR. Great thing is the adjustable stock can fit the whole family. It's light enough for the whole family to enjoy shooting.


It also doubles as a great home defense carbine, as well as a fun plinker and hunting rifle.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. well now. thanks for bringing up Home Defense. Does that mean we can now meet the SoP?

Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.


or Honestly, did the OP meet the SoP to start with? I get confused

[oldhippie]

9. And also ......

I surfed to Walmart to see what these rifles are all about.

Going to the Walmart website to learn about what rifles are about is a little strange.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

11. good lord. Don't send him in the right direction. He might learn something.

[randr]

12. Crows are one on the most intelligent species on the planet

and it should be a crime to shot them at random.
This is just one more example of how gun owners show themselves to be shallow, callous, and disrespectful of the world at large.

[slackmaster]

13. They're one of the main reasons the California Desert Tortoise is endangered

A huge increase in the crow population - Crows eat tortoise eggs.

[randr]

14. As we manipulate our environment more and more,

we must face the fact that we need to control certain species due to the changes we have imposed. Crows are concentrated in the desert because we have destroyed their wider habitat. As an example, we must eradicate weeds to feed ourselves in essence becoming a conscious player in the natural order.
The random killing of any species is, in my mind, UN conscionable and portrays an aspect of humanity that is best left in the past.

[slackmaster]

18. I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of why there are so many crows in the desertx

There are too many crows everywhere.

They're very adaptable, and are thriving in suburban and urban environments.

Humans are messy creatures. We carelessly discard abundant amounts of food suitable for consumption by other omnivores.

Crows have always fared well in agricultural areas - That's why there are scarecrows.

I think there are too many crows in the deserts because we have made life more difficult for the few natural enemies that crows have - Owls and raptors, and opportunistic egg-eaters such as cowbirds and snakes.

[randr]

19. The balance of our environment is not an easy task

Allowing anyone with a gun to kill at will is not an effective answer.

[shadowrider]

15. Holy crap

Should I be outraged intelligent birds are dying or should I be outraged tortoise eggs are being eaten?

Since everyone on this website is outraged about something or other I need to be too, just to fit in.

I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!!!

[slackmaster]

16. My position is that the crows are not endangered, and their population is out of balance...

...therefore some culling may be appropriate.

[jpak]

21. I am outraged by gun packing douchebags on bikes with loud pipes

yup

[rl6214]

17. Kind of a waste for an AR and .223 ammo and why shoot birds anyway

Unless you are going to eat them? I don't approve of killing any animals unless they are a danger to someone or for food.

[slackmaster]

20. Unless you need to shoot crows well past 100 yards. that's overkill

A decent .22 Long Rifle rifle with a halfway decent scope is adequate.

Of course there may be legitimate reasons to shoot crows at 200 or 300 yards. It's not hard to imagine a farmer needing to do that.

[krispos42]

22. Locking

Hunting and other purely recreational shooting threads belong in Outdoor Life Group.

Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host