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Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:24 PM Dec 2012

Expand NICS to include non-judicial mental health issues

Today, the only way you bounce NICS is if you have been adjudicated mentally incompetent or involuntarily admitted to a mental institution.

I think we should broaden NICS to include anyone with mental health records that indicate they might be too dangerous to own a gun.

We can debate what those mental health issues might be.

But I think it needs to be broader than just those that got caught up in the legal system.

We need to raise the bar for the mentally ill to get firearms.

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Expand NICS to include non-judicial mental health issues (Original Post) Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 OP
Should we widen it to people with non-judicial mental health issue children? Indydem Dec 2012 #1
He wasn't "denied" SoCalNative Dec 2012 #2
rifle is 18 under federal law gejohnston Dec 2012 #6
That he tried to purchase a rifle is new data, where did it come from? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #8
No. No due process protections in that scenario, and you'd push people *away* X_Digger Dec 2012 #3
Bingo. Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #9
The biggest problem I can see with this idea is ... spin Dec 2012 #4
I'd strongly support this. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #5
I'm not against the idea- it could work bossy22 Dec 2012 #7
 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
1. Should we widen it to people with non-judicial mental health issue children?
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:26 PM
Dec 2012

Because if you don't you still get Friday's shooting.

FYI, NBC is reporting that the shooter tried to buy a rifle and was denied. The system works.

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
2. He wasn't "denied"
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:36 PM
Dec 2012

Because of a background check, but he would have been because he was only 20 years old. He tried to buy a rifle on Wednesday but CT has a waiting period so he couldn't.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
9. Bingo.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:21 PM
Dec 2012

The gun control movement has tried very hard to paint mental illness, ANY mental illness, regardless of type or severity, as an immutable black mark that identifies subhuman psychos. Mental illness is not something people are -- it's something people have, and can be treated for. Unfortunately, there are too many people who are chomping at the bit to punish anybody who recognizes a problem and seeks help for it. Stunts like the introduced draft of Maryland's HB 730 create the perception (and REALITY!) that the government is not fair or neutral about the mentally ill, and will actively hunt down and discriminate against you, create expensive new roadblocks and humiliating disclosures, if you try to get professional help dealing with what is a medical condition. HB 730 treated anorexia, phobias, stuttering, and erectile dysfunction exactly the same as paranoid schizophrenia. The bill failed as written, but the message is lasting -- society and the government are your enemy and the best way to avoid them is to never get diagnosed, let alone treated. They can't punish you if they don't know you're sick.

spin

(17,493 posts)
4. The biggest problem I can see with this idea is ...
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:56 PM
Dec 2012

it might lead some people to avoid seeking treatment for a mental illness.

Of course the gun lobby would argue that this was a tactic to eliminate firearm ownership to many who had minor mental issues.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
5. I'd strongly support this.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:02 PM
Dec 2012

it would require changing a lot of laws regarding the privacy of medical records, but that's not an insurmountable goal.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
7. I'm not against the idea- it could work
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:44 PM
Dec 2012

My only thing is I think there would need to be an appeals process for a denial based on mental health records (non judicial). For example- if you got denied for that reason that you could appeal it if you get a noterized statement from a psychologist/psychiatrist

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