The end of the Civilian AR15.

[Atypical Liberal]

I suspect today will be the end of civilian variants of assault rifles such as the AR and AK platforms.

[bossy22]

1. I doubt it

IIRC the AR-15 wasnt used in the shooting today. It was found in the trunk of the asshole's car

On edit: I think you may see an end of the "high" capacity ammunition magazines. IF i bill goes to congress there is going to have to be compromise to get the republican house to go for it (not mention the senate as well). I think the compromise would end up with no guns being banned but a magazine limit being placed. I do not think though that limit would be at 10- my guess is it would be at 15

[Atypical Liberal]

9. I do not know that that is true.

I have read today that .223 cases were found at the crime scene.

I have also read that the shooter did not die on the scene but his body was found in a nearby house.

I don't know if any of this is true or not but if it is he may have shot and left the scene with the AR.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. There is so much bad info from the event, that I am not sure what to believe

about what was used etc. That will firm up over the next few days. Its important detail for the forthcoming debates but not relevant to the mourning.

[spin]

12. A magazine capacity ban would accomplish little as magazines can be changed quickly. ...

and in all fairness a lower capacity magazine is of en more reliable than a hi-cap magazine.

However the gun control side does not realize or even care to learn facts about firearm technology. they might feel that passing a ban on hi-cap magazines was a great accomplishment. In all reality some compromises may have to be made. It would be a shame to pass a foolish "feel good" law but that might be an end result.

I see no significant problem with banning the production of new magazines with a capacity of more than your suggested 15 rounds, however there are plenty of standard 20 and 30 round magazines already available and currently owned by civilians.

Some will disagree with me but the fact is that the majority of mass murders committed by mentally insane individuals on large groups of innocent victims does occur in gun free zones. Any area designated as being gun free should have adequate security to deter the shooter from planning such an attack and possibly stop him if he does launch his attack.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

13. An excellent point

"...the majority of mass murders committed by mentally insane individuals on large groups of innocent victims does occur in gun free zones."

I watch a news clip featuring an interview with former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt. He said nearly the same thing, in nearly the same words. These guys arm up and head for somewhere to shoot unarmed defenseless folks.

These mental cases are ignored often by families in denial and they plan mayhem so they can go out in a blaze of glory just like they see in a movie or video game. If they could get no guns they'd be learning chemistry and explosives on line or something else.

We need to ban gun free zones.

[rDigital]

2. I wouldn't bet on it. nt

[shadowrider]

3. Welcome back n/t

[rDigital]

7. Thanks : ). nt

[jeepnstein]

4. It didn't figure into today's spree.

The shooter didn't use one. It had absolutely nothing to do with the evil he committed.

[slackmaster]

5. You're attempting to apply logic while people are still in "venting" mode

There will be a time for that, later.

[X_Digger]

8. Yup.

I'm taking everything said today with a grain of salt. Serious talk later.

[southern_belle]

6. Damn, I wish but I doubt it :(

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. I doubt it.

[rrneck]

11. I don't think so.

There are just too many of them out there and too many people own them.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. Very doubtful

CA faced an unparalleled amount of social disobedience with its original registration scheme. This would be worse.

I can legally build my own AR with an unregisterable lower frame. There would be no records whatsoever.

[Eleanors38]

16. I think the look will be like a hunting rifle, scope and all.

Possibly, they will fall below the ascetic radar of controllers until some celebropunk uses it in future mayhem, and another round of "bans."

There is a way to seriously address school shootings directly: Obama should fund and pass a Safe Schools Act to privide two or more armed security at each school. School districts can take the funds, or develop their own trained & armed teacher program, or stay with what we had today.

[krispos42]

17. That will make Ruger very happy.

You might well be right; as my recent debate with a relatively clueless member in Meta showed, they don't know, they don't want to know, they don't think knowing is needed, and they're proud they don't know.



So even though the crime was committed with two handguns that were legal before, during, and after the 1994 AWB, we have to ban assault weapons.