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Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:47 PM

I'm in Texas, and someone was going on

about some coming UN initiative and guns and possible ammo shortage. I suspect there is nothing to this, but I would like to read up on whatever they are alluding to. Can someone here point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Melissa

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Reply I'm in Texas, and someone was going on (Original post)
Melissa G Nov 2012 OP
1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #1
msongs Nov 2012 #2
SecularMotion Nov 2012 #3
Melissa G Nov 2012 #11
n2doc Nov 2012 #4
Melissa G Nov 2012 #10
gejohnston Nov 2012 #5
Melissa G Nov 2012 #12
rl6214 Dec 2012 #15
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #6
Melissa G Nov 2012 #7
Melissa G Nov 2012 #8
santamargarita Nov 2012 #9
Clames Nov 2012 #13
Melissa G Nov 2012 #14
Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2012 #16

Response to Melissa G (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:50 PM

1. The only place ...

You'll be able to find this is theblaze.com ... glenn beck's site.

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Response to Melissa G (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:50 PM

2. klan propraganda spread by the gun manufacturers probably nt

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Response to Melissa G (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:57 PM

3. It started back in July

NRA Kicks Off UN Arms Treaty Conference With Fearmongering

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117247774

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:51 PM

11. Thanks! n/t

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Response to Melissa G (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:04 PM

4. Glen Beck, Agenda 21

See
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101781923

fear mongering to make money.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:49 PM

10. Very helpful

and I avoided going to Glen Beck's site to hear about it!
Thanks!

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Response to Melissa G (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:14 PM

5. The Arms Trade Treaty

The focus is mostly standardizing military small arms.
The NRA and the Canadian NFA (I like keeping track of their gun rights groups.) oppose it because they think it could open the door to a ban on civilian ownership of any firearms or regulations set by an international organization with some unsavory members. From what I understand, US and European manufactures are mostly for it because it is easier dealing with one regulation than trying to figure out the regulations of each country. It is kind of like being a billing and coding specialist in the US vs one in Canada.

The Amnesty International website "loopholes" include shotguns marketed for deer hunting that are virtually the same as military/police shotguns and rifles marketed for long range target shooting that are virtually the same as military/police sniper rifles. AI advocates that the civilian guns must be included in any workable arms trade controls; otherwise, governments could authorize export/import of sporting guns virtually the same as military/police weapons in function.
That kind of validates the NRA's and the NFA's point, at least to them. AI is mostly correct that about the technical aspects of guns.

One of the claims the NRA makes is that if you buy, say a Glock, the US government would have to tell the Austrian government (the source country). I think that is either a misreading or a lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty
http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/

While trying to keep them out of the hands of terrorists, pirates, and other unsavory characters is a good thing, the part I have a problem with when it comes to insurgents and how the treaty defines "legitimate government". As the saying goes, one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:52 PM

12. Appreciate your post.

Very informative.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:06 AM

15. The only informative post in this thread

 

The rest are just the typical bashing.

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Response to Melissa G (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:15 PM

6. Google "Arms Trade Treaty".

It will be a UN treaty. The terms of the treaty are still being discussed. It isn't in final form yet.

It is supposed to regulate international trade in firearms. American gunners are afraid that it will have repercussions inside the U.S. regarding their rights. Until we see the final draft of the treaty we don't know what it will and won't do.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:42 PM

7. Thank you!

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Response to Melissa G (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:43 PM

8. Thanks to everyone who responded to this post.

You folks are a great resource!

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Response to santamargarita (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:35 PM

13. Wonder who from the anti-gun/pro-strict-gun-control...

 

...posters in this group will step up and denounce this disgusting advocacy for genocide?


None? Not surprising.

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Response to Clames (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 09:14 PM

14. better to alert on poor posts

than to feed them.

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Response to Clames (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:35 AM

16. It's interesting how all of the faux-compassionate folks here would assail Limpballs


for such a remark, but let slime like this slide. The layers of hypocrisy displayed by the "compassionate restrictionists" run miles deep.

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