Data on gun permits kept hidden

[SecularMotion]

Hoosiers are allowed to have personal firearms in their homes with no permit or registration. But to carry a handgun in public, you need a license from the state.

Indiana isn’t the only state to closely guard gun licensing information. At least half the states now bar access to such records.

At the time the law was changed, legislators focused on how knowledge of firearm permits might make Hoosiers a target for home burglaries. But the change also bars connecting specific criminal activity to permit holders.

“This allows advocates to make a number of claims on the law-abiding character of gun permit holders while systematically blocking access to verify that,” said Ladd Everitt, director of communications for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence in Washington, D.C.

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120826/NEWS07/308269951

[Reasonable_Argument]

1. Well

Ohio, to the best of my knowledge, still makes the lists public. I remember when the law first passed in '04 some newspapers that were strongly against it threatened to publish a list of those who got their license. Please explain to me how it's anyone business, outside of law enforcement during a legitimate stop, to know who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

[BigAlanMac]

2. Ohio closed the records of concealed carry licensees

for any kind of recording.
Right now I am unable to access the Ohio Revised Code database to provide a date for the change.
That means a journalist can view the records at a sheriff's office but can not use any form of recording, photo copying, voice recorder, or even hand written notebook.
This allows them to check the database to see if a specific person has an Ohio CHL from that sheriff but prevents the wholesale data mining and publishing that occurred in the first years of concealed carry in Ohio. (2004-2006)
Several newspapers published the names, age, and county of residence of all licensees during those years.

[safeinOhio]

3. Sounds like Ohio has it figured out.

If my crazy neighbor starts acting more crazy, it might be handy to let 911 know he is packing when they send the cops out. Yelling at kids, clouds and birds all the time. Has an NRA bumper sticker next to his KKK one and spends the whole day talking, loudly to himself.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

5. Your neighbor has an NRA sticker next to a KKK bumper sticker?

[ileus]

7. LEO's assume everyone is a threat...911 call only confirm it.

Responding officers to a 911 call know things are hairy already. They're ready every time.

[Missycim]

8. Its none of their

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bidness (and your's) if I have a CCL or a gun in the home. Deal with it.

[safeinOhio]

9. Hi, neighbor.

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Why did you edit out "or anything I own"?

You ruined part of the humor.

[Missycim]

10. Wow

you are wasting time on any political internet board, you should be out in a comedy club using that wit of your's to make a buck. (ok I am being kind, you might make 75 cents)

[Missycim]

11. I guess you find it ok

if the govt has a list of property you might have just in case one day they decide to confiscate said items?

[safeinOhio]

12. I'm fine with fluoride in the water too.

Also like unions, public schools and teachers. My only fear is about the power of mega corporations and fundamentalist Christians. I have a STATE issued CCW and several guns and am more than happy to register them. I pay all of my taxes, plus give 10% to organizations that help the poor. As long as this is a Democracy that lets the people vote for our government, I have no fear of it.

Of course I do understand that just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean folks aren't out to get ya.

[Missycim]

13. So in that rambling

screed of yours, you don't mind others knowing what you have.

You see I don't care what you give to whom or what you own but you seem to want to know what I own, again its none of your bidness or the govts it has nothing to do with paranoia.


Your understanding is flawed (as usual), I just dont think its a good idea to have any govt(or corporation) knowing what I own, lists are good for rounding up items when its time for banning.


I am very sorry you are paranoid about corporations and US citizens expressing their religious views, there is help for you.

[safeinOhio]

14. Let's see

The government knows all about your permit, as they issued it. Here in Ohio if some local thug wanted to know if I have a CCW, they can go down to the sheriffs office, sign in and look to see if I have a permit. Not too likely.

The government knows a lot about what I own. They can look at the records and see that I own a home, they can see what vehicles I own as they are registered. They, the IRS, know how much money I make and have and what my investments and bank accounts holds. They have a record of every gun I own, except the shotgun and rifle my dad left me. All the others I bought from gun dealers and a back ground check was run on me. I have one pistol I bought from an individual that I took straight to the sheriff's office to have them run a check on it to see if it was stolen or used in a crime.

I have no problem with any of that and sleep well every night.

[Missycim]

15. Well you dont have to register

private sales so there's one way to keep it off the books.


You should skip right down to the sheriffs office and let them know you have those weapons your daddy left you, we want you to be an upstanding citizen.


I sleep very good at night thank you. why are people who value privacy paranoids? Do you let the govt who you associate with?

[safeinOhio]

16. "Do you let the govt who you associate with?"

If they wanted to know, they'd find it a pretty boring list.

[Missycim]

18. thats not the point

why since you aren't paranoid let them know who you associate with? or is it none of their business?

[safeinOhio]

23. Not being associated with drug dealers,

terrorist or any kind of criminal, I doubt they give a crap about me. On the other hand, if you are dealing with those types, I would hope they are keeping an eye on you.

[rDigital]

20. Do you support the Patriot Act allowing the gov to tap the phones

of every brown person with a funny sounding name that they saw fit?

http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/

"My life's an open book," people might say. "I've got nothing to hide." But now the government has large dossiers of everyone's activities, interests, reading habits, finances, and health. What if the government leaks the information to the public? What if the government mistakenly determines that based on your pattern of activities, you're likely to engage in a criminal act? What if it denies you the right to fly? What if the government thinks your financial transactions look odd—even if you've done nothing wrong—and freezes your accounts? What if the government doesn't protect your information with adequate security, and an identity thief obtains it and uses it to defraud you? Even if you have nothing to hide, the government can cause you a lot of harm.

"But the government doesn't want to hurt me," some might argue. In many cases, that's true, but the government can also harm people inadvertently, due to errors or carelessness.

When the nothing-to-hide argument is unpacked, and its underlying assumptions examined and challenged, we can see how it shifts the debate to its terms, then draws power from its unfair advantage. The nothing-to-hide argument speaks to some problems but not to others. It represents a singular and narrow way of conceiving of privacy, and it wins by excluding consideration of the other problems often raised with government security measures. When engaged directly, the nothing-to-hide argument can ensnare, for it forces the debate to focus on its narrow understanding of privacy. But when confronted with the plurality of privacy problems implicated by government data collection and use beyond surveillance and disclosure, the nothing-to-hide argument, in the end, has nothing to say.

[safeinOhio]

24. Not at all a supporter of the PA.

But, that doesn't make me fear the government.

[pipoman]

4. So the person who is the threat that caused

another person to get their concealed carry permit should be able to go see where their target is living? Most states don't have public access to drivers license info either..such a travesty of justice, eh?

[ileus]

6. Hoosiers are allowed to have personal firearms...how gracious of the state.

Isn't it sweet people are allowed to own firearms the State isn't aware of...



Similarly, information on the nearly 2,000 permits denied by the Indiana State Police last year is not public record.

If they were denied who any business and what would they use this information for? Harassment?

What other information do these people want? Bank Account numbers? Home addresses? Maybe phone numbers?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

17. Yay!

I'm a big 4th Amendment supporter.

As far as the press and law enforcement are concerned, why should their jobs be easier? That's why they call it "work".

[rDigital]

19. Repubs are going to ask for a list of welfare recipients. nt

[rl6214]

21. Ladd Everitt, director of communications for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence in Washington, D.C.

Now that's a reliable source

[Clames]

22. No. Fucking. Duh.

Hoosiers are allowed to have personal firearms in their homes with no permit or registration.

So is everyone else in the country. What kind of Cracker Jack journalism degree did this guy receive?

[rDigital]

25. Next, they're going to want to release lists of those admitted to battered women's shelters.