Gun Control & RKBA
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Some Sprague's patrons require parental supervision.
Big Issues
Guns 'R Us
Fast and Furious. Conceal and carry. The Dark Knight theater shootings. In America these days, it seems like everyone is packing heat. In fact, we're the most heavily armed populace on the planet. So where do most of us go when we need a shiny new Glock or a convenient AK-47? Increasingly to mega-shops like Sprague's Sports in Yuma, Arizona. That's where Jeanne Marie Laskas ventured recently, spending a few shifts behind the counter and seeing for herself how we shop, sell, justify, and even come to love the deadliest things among us
By Jeanne Marie Laskas
Photographs by David Graham
September 2012
Out-of-state residents can purchase firearms in Arizona read the sign behind the counter at Sprague's Sports in Yuma. ASK US HOW. I asked a clerk named Ron for details. He was short, packed solid as a ham, with a crew cut and a genial demeanor. He pointed to the cavalcade of hunting rifles lined up on the long wall behind him. "Any of these you can get todayor these over here," he said, leading me to a corner of the store where two young men in ball caps and a woman with a sparkly purse were admiring a selection of AK-47's.
"You have to admit this is pretty badass," the one man was saying. He had a carbine shorty perched on his hip, Stallone-style.
"I don't know," the woman said. "To me, it looks mean."
"It's supposed to look mean."
Read More http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201209/gun-shopping-gq-september-2012#ixzz24IrFXOY8
The right-wing - ensuring the continuing proliferation of small arms over the planet. Why do you think lax attitudes toward guns proliferate in Republican dominated states so readily?
bongbong
(5,436 posts)At least that's what the gun-religionists tell us. But that's only because they're too scared to get out of bed without a gun!
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Ashgrey77
(236 posts)At least that's what the gun-conservatives tell us. But that's only because they're to scared to get out of bed because they are legal and their neighbor might have one. See what I did there.
Ashgrey77
(236 posts)Opinion piece that had it's mind made up before it was written. I especially liked where she called ALL gun owners bad people, and the part where she was shown a HK416 that she could buy right there on the spot. When in reality the HK416 can't be bought anywhere in the USA, unless you are government agency or a merc unit with paperwork. The HK416 is a actual assault rifle, as in select fire, and most have a 14.5 or 10.5 barrel which is restricted as well.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=302204826
"I especially liked where she called ALL gun owners bad people"
Cite please. I think you're distorting the authors words. So much misinformation!
Ashgrey77
(236 posts)Real HK 416's aren't for sale to the general public though. I wish they wouldn't call some of the .22 clones the same thing as the actual Rifles it's misleading and they couldn't be more different, the only thing that is the same is the look.
And I quote.
"I didn't really want to buy an assault rifle, or even a handgun, but I was curious to know what buying one felt like, how the purchase worked, what-all was involved. Nobody in my circle back east had guns, nobody wanted them, and if anybody talked about them, it was in cartoon terms: Guns are bad things owned by bad people who want to do bad things. About the only time the people where I come from thought about guns was when something terrible happened. A lunatic sprays into a crowd and we have the same conversation we always have: those damn guns and those damn people who insist on having them."
Read More http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201209/gun-shopping-gq-september-2012#ixzz24J1hhuHr
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)She is not stating that as her opinion, she is generally describing the sentiments of others. This is not an opinion article, this is a feature article. You're description of her statement is inaccurate and your understanding of various types of news articles is lacking. In short, you got nothing. Welcome to DU
Ashgrey77
(236 posts)Insults are par for the course in here unfortunately as you just proved. That IS her and her "group" of friends opinion of gun owners, it was stated plain as day. It was obvious what she said and what she meant. It seems to me what you are saying is that she can state a opinion and then hide behind the "sentiments of others", as if it wasn't her opinion. Ok, whatever. Welcome to DU
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)http://www.allcountries.org/gun_ownership_rates.html Of course there is a huge margin of error. Some studies show that we are second behind Finland.
"There's no such thing as an assault rifle," he said. "These are 'military-style rifles' or 'modern sporting rifles.' "
"But they're assault rifles," I noted. I knew that much from TV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I really didn't pay attention to the byline. It still sucked.
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)That's one of the funniest things I've ever read on DU.
It shows the high journalistic standards employed.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)trying to compare themselves to Ansel Adams.
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)Clames
(2,038 posts)Hollywood dramatization = real world to them...
ileus
(15,396 posts)My coworker had zero use for it so I gave him 170 and a used magpul rear sight.
He tossed in 50rounds of 00 and the factory stock and a pistol grip. It had one of the absorbing adjustable stocks mounted. I don't care for it so I'll probably put the factory stock back.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...amidst your gun lust.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Just found out the stock is worth 99 bucks new....I may try and sell it.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)I bet he wishes he'd read it a bit more carefully before posting.
Added to the file with 'Shoulder thing that goes up' and 'heat seeking bullets'.
Clames
(2,038 posts)An article that painted gun owners in a negative light? Forget reading it, needs to be posted in the Gungeon!
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Seems to me you waste a lot of bandwidth trolling a group you dislike to the point of advocating for its removal from DU. Good that you donate money, you should!
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...I'd stop think you were nothing more than tools for a vast right-wing conspiracy. After all, it is not I who is concurrent with the opinions of Antonin Scalia, Rick Perry, and an assortment of whack-a-doodle fascists. Alas, I for thinking that the repeated obsession over such a meme is irrelevant to the very facts of life and death involved in your "hobby" is more becoming of children than of rational adults need to be chided "about that line from time to time." Is this not accurate representation of your culture?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the opinions of Nixon, Giuliani, Romney, and the Bush the elder.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/30/1115084/-Nixon-wanted-to-ban-handguns-and-other-little-known-facts-about-Repubs-and-gun-control
--- William Safire (originally from a New York Times column), Los Angeles Daily News, June 15, 1999, P. 15.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)I strongly doubt you could find a single instance where I've ever made such a proposal.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but the AWB actually started as an executive order given to the ATF via Treasury Dept., when they were still under Treasury, about defining some imported rifles as not for sporting use under the Gun Control Act, banning their importation. Meanwhile, Canadian gun stores got that share.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)using the Gun Control Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968
and one was signed by Mitt in MA.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)how ignorant she really is. Her editors at GQ are ignorant too otherwise they would not have published her article with so many factual errors.
spin
(17,493 posts)Firearms are a fairly simple subject to understand with only a minimum of research.
If the media can't get the facts right on such a simple subject, why should anyone trust them on far more complicated issues?
I personally believe that the media has an anti-RKBA agenda. I also suspect that they are willing to actually lie and distort the truth to foster that agenda.
Firearm owners have to realize that they should always handle their weapons in a responsible manner. There are an estimated 80 million gun owners in our nation. A very small percentage of the honest gun owners misuse their weapons and tragedies result.
The media also has a great responsibility to publish the facts and the truth but in my opinion it has largely failed. The citizens in our nation are not as stupid as the media believes. Consequently the media is largely distrusted.
September 22, 2011
Majority in U.S. Continues to Distrust the Media, Perceive Bias
More perceive liberal bias than conservative bias
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The majority of Americans still do not have confidence in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly. The 44% of Americans who have a great deal or fair amount of trust and the 55% who have little or no trust remain among the most negative views Gallup has measured.
The majority of Americans (60%) also continue to perceive bias, with 47% saying the media are too liberal and 13% saying they are too conservative, on par with what Gallup found last year. The percentage of Americans who say the media are "just about right" edged up to 36% this year but remains in the range Gallup has found historically.
***snip***
Implications
Americans remain largely distrusting of the news media, with 55% saying they have little or no trust in the media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly, and 60% perceiving bias one way or the other. These views are largely steady compared with last year, even as the media landscape continues to change rapidly.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149624/majority-continue-distrust-media-perceive-bias.aspx
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)as it is a cosmopolitan, urban, or upper class bias. When you look at the gun issue alone, it looks like a liberal bias. When you look at how they reported the OWS alone, it looks the opposite. What propagandists like Rush managed to do was convince enough folks in the "heartland", "fly over country" etc. that wealthy urban and cosmopolitan = liberal. Just find the speeches from the last GOP convention. Esp. the ones by Giuliani, Mitt, and I forgot the other guy. I never seen so many self loathing rich northeast elitist trust fund Preppies in my life. I laughed my ass off.