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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:06 PM Aug 2012

Guns 'R Us: Buying Guns in America


Some Sprague's patrons require parental supervision.

Big Issues
Guns 'R Us
Fast and Furious. Conceal and carry. The Dark Knight theater shootings. In America these days, it seems like everyone is packing heat. In fact, we're the most heavily armed populace on the planet. So where do most of us go when we need a shiny new Glock or a convenient AK-47? Increasingly to mega-shops like Sprague's Sports in Yuma, Arizona. That's where Jeanne Marie Laskas ventured recently, spending a few shifts behind the counter and seeing for herself how we shop, sell, justify, and even come to love the deadliest things among us
By Jeanne Marie Laskas
Photographs by David Graham
September 2012

Out-of-state residents can purchase firearms in Arizona read the sign behind the counter at Sprague's Sports in Yuma. ASK US HOW. I asked a clerk named Ron for details. He was short, packed solid as a ham, with a crew cut and a genial demeanor. He pointed to the cavalcade of hunting rifles lined up on the long wall behind him. "Any of these you can get today—or these over here," he said, leading me to a corner of the store where two young men in ball caps and a woman with a sparkly purse were admiring a selection of AK-47's.

"You have to admit this is pretty badass," the one man was saying. He had a carbine shorty perched on his hip, Stallone-style.

"I don't know," the woman said. "To me, it looks mean."

"It's supposed to look mean."

Read More http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201209/gun-shopping-gq-september-2012#ixzz24IrFXOY8


The right-wing - ensuring the continuing proliferation of small arms over the planet. Why do you think lax attitudes toward guns proliferate in Republican dominated states so readily?
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Guns 'R Us: Buying Guns in America (Original Post) ellisonz Aug 2012 OP
Guns make us safe! bongbong Aug 2012 #1
Red Dawn Fantasies! ellisonz Aug 2012 #3
Adults should be treated like children! Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #4
Stupid article with LOTS of misinformation. Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #2
So these are not the guns referred too? ellisonz Aug 2012 #5
My bad, I missed the .22 part Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #6
Thank you for acknowledging your error. ellisonz Aug 2012 #8
No you got nothing, I understand just fine. Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #13
very unimpressed with his writing and research skills. gejohnston Aug 2012 #7
Psst - the author is female, the photographer is male. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #9
my bad gejohnston Aug 2012 #11
"I knew that much from TV" TPaine7 Aug 2012 #17
Kind of like someone with a disposable camera gejohnston Aug 2012 #18
Wow, I love Ansel's work. I saw some huge prints at Yosemite; they were breathtaking. n/t TPaine7 Aug 2012 #20
Pretty much explains the limit of anti-gunners education on the topic. Clames Aug 2012 #21
I picked up a Tossberg 500 today. ileus Aug 2012 #10
Good to see you managed to throw DU a few bucks... ellisonz Aug 2012 #12
Yeah I wanted to support this great site. ileus Aug 2012 #14
Good article. The author had the courage to take a real look at the gun culture. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #15
"But they're assault rifles," I noted. I knew that much from TV. ileus Aug 2012 #16
Yeah, I think I'll remind ellisonz about that line from time to time. X_Digger Aug 2012 #19
You'll have to forgive his eagerness. Clames Aug 2012 #22
Hey at least I support this website... ellisonz Aug 2012 #25
Do you? Clames Aug 2012 #32
Oh if only I understood your death spewers more... ellisonz Aug 2012 #24
you are concurrent with gejohnston Aug 2012 #26
I don't favor making hand guns illegal. ellisonz Aug 2012 #27
OK maybe not Nixon gejohnston Aug 2012 #30
I have no fucking clue what you are talking about. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #31
the AWB started with Poppy banning imports of some rifles gejohnston Aug 2012 #33
Jeanne Marie has no idea Jenoch Aug 2012 #23
I distrust almost everything the media says. ... spin Aug 2012 #28
I don't think it is actually a liberal bias gejohnston Aug 2012 #29
 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
1. Guns make us safe!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:26 PM
Aug 2012

At least that's what the gun-religionists tell us. But that's only because they're too scared to get out of bed without a gun!

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
3. Red Dawn Fantasies!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:34 PM
Aug 2012
"Think of just the hunters...Thirteen million in this country. That's 13 million Americans trained with firearms—the equivalent of the largest army in the world. Anyone thinking of invading this country has to take that into consideration." - Richard Spague, Gun-Store Owner.


Ashgrey77

(236 posts)
4. Adults should be treated like children!
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:37 PM
Aug 2012

At least that's what the gun-conservatives tell us. But that's only because they're to scared to get out of bed because they are legal and their neighbor might have one. See what I did there.

Ashgrey77

(236 posts)
2. Stupid article with LOTS of misinformation.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:32 PM
Aug 2012

Opinion piece that had it's mind made up before it was written. I especially liked where she called ALL gun owners bad people, and the part where she was shown a HK416 that she could buy right there on the spot. When in reality the HK416 can't be bought anywhere in the USA, unless you are government agency or a merc unit with paperwork. The HK416 is a actual assault rifle, as in select fire, and most have a 14.5 or 10.5 barrel which is restricted as well.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
5. So these are not the guns referred too?
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:40 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=300798382
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=302204826

"I especially liked where she called ALL gun owners bad people"

Cite please. I think you're distorting the authors words. So much misinformation!

Ashgrey77

(236 posts)
6. My bad, I missed the .22 part
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:48 PM
Aug 2012

Real HK 416's aren't for sale to the general public though. I wish they wouldn't call some of the .22 clones the same thing as the actual Rifles it's misleading and they couldn't be more different, the only thing that is the same is the look.



And I quote.



"I didn't really want to buy an assault rifle, or even a handgun, but I was curious to know what buying one felt like, how the purchase worked, what-all was involved. Nobody in my circle back east had guns, nobody wanted them, and if anybody talked about them, it was in cartoon terms: Guns are bad things owned by bad people who want to do bad things. About the only time the people where I come from thought about guns was when something terrible happened. A lunatic sprays into a crowd and we have the same conversation we always have: those damn guns and those damn people who insist on having them."


Read More http://www.gq.com/news-politics/big-issues/201209/gun-shopping-gq-september-2012#ixzz24J1hhuHr

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
8. Thank you for acknowledging your error.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:58 PM
Aug 2012

She is not stating that as her opinion, she is generally describing the sentiments of others. This is not an opinion article, this is a feature article. You're description of her statement is inaccurate and your understanding of various types of news articles is lacking. In short, you got nothing. Welcome to DU

Ashgrey77

(236 posts)
13. No you got nothing, I understand just fine.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:18 PM
Aug 2012

Insults are par for the course in here unfortunately as you just proved. That IS her and her "group" of friends opinion of gun owners, it was stated plain as day. It was obvious what she said and what she meant. It seems to me what you are saying is that she can state a opinion and then hide behind the "sentiments of others", as if it wasn't her opinion. Ok, whatever. Welcome to DU

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
7. very unimpressed with his writing and research skills.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 03:52 PM
Aug 2012
I had come to Arizona, the most gun-friendly state, to listen to the conversation the rest of America was apparently having. One in three Americans owns a gun. About 59 million handguns, 46 million rifles, and 28 million shotguns—nearly 135 million new firearms for sale in the U.S. since 1986. We are the most heavily armed society in the world. If an armed citizenry is a piece of our national identity, how is it that I'd never even met it?
Actually, Vermont is more gun friendly state. If only one in three Americans owns a gun, that does not make us "the most heavily armed society in the world."
http://www.allcountries.org/gun_ownership_rates.html Of course there is a huge margin of error. Some studies show that we are second behind Finland.

In Arizona, anyone over 18 can buy an assault rifle, at 21 you can get a pistol, and you can carry your gun, loaded or unloaded, concealed or openly, just about anywhere.
Actually, that is federal law and those are not assault rifles.

"I'm kind of surprised you carry assault rifles," I said to Ron.

"There's no such thing as an assault rifle," he said. "These are 'military-style rifles' or 'modern sporting rifles.' "

"But they're assault rifles," I noted. I knew that much from TV.
"I know that much from TV"? A real assault rifle is tightly regulated and has been since the 1930s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Why do you think lax attitudes toward guns proliferate in Republican dominated states so readily?
You are putting the cart before the horse. It became Republican dominated partly because of the gun issue and partly because the GOP poured shitloads of money and propaganda in the western states in the 1970s while those in charge of the DNC just said "fuck those hicks". You are still forgetting Vermont. Until the early 1980s, Wyoming always send one Republican and one Democratic senator to DC.

 

TPaine7

(4,286 posts)
17. "I knew that much from TV"
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:16 PM
Aug 2012

That's one of the funniest things I've ever read on DU.

It shows the high journalistic standards employed.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
21. Pretty much explains the limit of anti-gunners education on the topic.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:40 PM
Aug 2012

Hollywood dramatization = real world to them...

ileus

(15,396 posts)
10. I picked up a Tossberg 500 today.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:02 PM
Aug 2012

My coworker had zero use for it so I gave him 170 and a used magpul rear sight.

He tossed in 50rounds of 00 and the factory stock and a pistol grip. It had one of the absorbing adjustable stocks mounted. I don't care for it so I'll probably put the factory stock back.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
14. Yeah I wanted to support this great site.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 04:30 PM
Aug 2012

Just found out the stock is worth 99 bucks new....I may try and sell it.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
19. Yeah, I think I'll remind ellisonz about that line from time to time.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:39 PM
Aug 2012

I bet he wishes he'd read it a bit more carefully before posting.

Added to the file with 'Shoulder thing that goes up' and 'heat seeking bullets'.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
22. You'll have to forgive his eagerness.
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:53 PM
Aug 2012

An article that painted gun owners in a negative light? Forget reading it, needs to be posted in the Gungeon!


 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
32. Do you?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:21 AM
Aug 2012

Seems to me you waste a lot of bandwidth trolling a group you dislike to the point of advocating for its removal from DU. Good that you donate money, you should!

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
24. Oh if only I understood your death spewers more...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:23 AM
Aug 2012

...I'd stop think you were nothing more than tools for a vast right-wing conspiracy. After all, it is not I who is concurrent with the opinions of Antonin Scalia, Rick Perry, and an assortment of whack-a-doodle fascists. Alas, I for thinking that the repeated obsession over such a meme is irrelevant to the very facts of life and death involved in your "hobby" is more becoming of children than of rational adults need to be chided "about that line from time to time." Is this not accurate representation of your culture?

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
26. you are concurrent with
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:52 AM
Aug 2012

the opinions of Nixon, Giuliani, Romney, and the Bush the elder.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/30/1115084/-Nixon-wanted-to-ban-handguns-and-other-little-known-facts-about-Repubs-and-gun-control

Twenty years ago, I asked Richard Nixon what he thought of gun control. His on-the-record reply: 'Guns are an abomination.' Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles.
--- William Safire (originally from a New York Times column), Los Angeles Daily News, June 15, 1999, P. 15.


Alas, I for thinking that the repeated obsession over such a meme is irrelevant to the very facts of life and death involved in your "hobby" is more becoming of children than of rational adults need to be chided "about that line from time to time." Is this not accurate representation of your culture?
Your meme has no basis in reality. The very fact that the vast majority of our murders are concentrated in a few parts in some major cities. Minnesota has a slightly lower murder rate than Manitoba. Most states have murder rates that are equal to Europe. Hawaii, Wyoming, Vermont, and Michigan (if you subtract Detroit and Flint). El Paso of all places has a lower murder rate than any US and most major Canadian cities.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
27. I don't favor making hand guns illegal.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:54 AM
Aug 2012

I strongly doubt you could find a single instance where I've ever made such a proposal.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
30. OK maybe not Nixon
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:14 AM
Aug 2012

but the AWB actually started as an executive order given to the ATF via Treasury Dept., when they were still under Treasury, about defining some imported rifles as not for sporting use under the Gun Control Act, banning their importation. Meanwhile, Canadian gun stores got that share.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
23. Jeanne Marie has no idea
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 09:59 PM
Aug 2012

how ignorant she really is. Her editors at GQ are ignorant too otherwise they would not have published her article with so many factual errors.

spin

(17,493 posts)
28. I distrust almost everything the media says. ...
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:55 AM
Aug 2012

Firearms are a fairly simple subject to understand with only a minimum of research.

If the media can't get the facts right on such a simple subject, why should anyone trust them on far more complicated issues?

I personally believe that the media has an anti-RKBA agenda. I also suspect that they are willing to actually lie and distort the truth to foster that agenda.

Firearm owners have to realize that they should always handle their weapons in a responsible manner. There are an estimated 80 million gun owners in our nation. A very small percentage of the honest gun owners misuse their weapons and tragedies result.

The media also has a great responsibility to publish the facts and the truth but in my opinion it has largely failed. The citizens in our nation are not as stupid as the media believes. Consequently the media is largely distrusted.

September 22, 2011
Majority in U.S. Continues to Distrust the Media, Perceive Bias
More perceive liberal bias than conservative bias


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The majority of Americans still do not have confidence in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly. The 44% of Americans who have a great deal or fair amount of trust and the 55% who have little or no trust remain among the most negative views Gallup has measured.



The majority of Americans (60%) also continue to perceive bias, with 47% saying the media are too liberal and 13% saying they are too conservative, on par with what Gallup found last year. The percentage of Americans who say the media are "just about right" edged up to 36% this year but remains in the range Gallup has found historically.



***snip***

Implications

Americans remain largely distrusting of the news media, with 55% saying they have little or no trust in the media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly, and 60% perceiving bias one way or the other. These views are largely steady compared with last year, even as the media landscape continues to change rapidly.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149624/majority-continue-distrust-media-perceive-bias.aspx

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
29. I don't think it is actually a liberal bias
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 01:07 AM
Aug 2012

as it is a cosmopolitan, urban, or upper class bias. When you look at the gun issue alone, it looks like a liberal bias. When you look at how they reported the OWS alone, it looks the opposite. What propagandists like Rush managed to do was convince enough folks in the "heartland", "fly over country" etc. that wealthy urban and cosmopolitan = liberal. Just find the speeches from the last GOP convention. Esp. the ones by Giuliani, Mitt, and I forgot the other guy. I never seen so many self loathing rich northeast elitist trust fund Preppies in my life. I laughed my ass off.

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