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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:34 PM Jun 2012

Guns and Americans' right to commit violence

Guns are dangerous instruments, even in the hands of people who know how to use them. A bullet can maim or kill whether from a gun that is aimed or from a stray bullet. I was taught that in the Army as an infantry private.

Americans have a right to commit violence against aggressors under very specific circumsances and may use guns to protect themselves and their property against threatening intruders. I use the headline to dramatize and emphasize that guns are not intended for use as toys, though some people enjoy shooting them for recreational purposes.

Here, I share thoughts about the "right to bear arms," and gun possession with regard to crimes and public safety.

The intent of the Constitutional “right to bear arms” meant that citizens had the right to defend themselves and to use guns to provide for their families. That right was bestowed at a time when America was young, still pioneering, and living in relatively crude conditions. Law enforcement had yet to develop and governments at all levels had yet to develop sufficient capacity to ensure community safety.

http://www.examiner.com/article/americans-right-to-bear-violence-guns

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Guns and Americans' right to commit violence (Original Post) SecularMotion Jun 2012 OP
You seem to have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #1
I guess you're right SecularMotion Jun 2012 #2
Are you thinking... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #7
Second amendment, providing for my family? Remmah2 Jun 2012 #3
Wrong premise leads to wrong conclusion sarisataka Jun 2012 #4
LE still hasn't developed to where there's a cop beside me 24/7....until then ileus Jun 2012 #5
Interesting claim... PavePusher Jun 2012 #6
He lost me at "The right was bestowed" slackmaster Jun 2012 #8
Absolutely! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #9
Or Oneka Jun 2012 #12
Some restrictions are acceptable... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #15
That was on purpose. Marinedem Jun 2012 #14
From the Examiner, bogus claims: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #10
I thought America was born to get away from Kings bestowing upon their subjects. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #11
I may just be dumb Meiko Jun 2012 #13
 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
3. Second amendment, providing for my family?
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jun 2012

When did hunting become a constitutional right?

Poor misguided author.

sarisataka

(18,633 posts)
4. Wrong premise leads to wrong conclusion
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jun 2012
That right was bestowed


Rights are recognized; privileges are bestowed
 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
6. Interesting claim...
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jun 2012
Still, having gun control and regulations impose a dampening effect, and when guns are used in crimes, history shows that registration helps law enforcement trace guns and convict criminals.


...with no supporting evidence in sight.

I wonder why that is?
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
8. He lost me at "The right was bestowed"
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 04:10 PM
Jun 2012

It wasn't bestowed. It already existed and was recognized as being important to the security of the state at all levels.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
9. Absolutely!
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:52 PM
Jun 2012

Since rights are attributes of people, rights have existed as long as people. The fact that people have, over the course of history both individually and as part of collectives, denied the rights of others does not mean those rights did not not exist.

There will always be cases where the rights of the minority are denied by the majority. These actions are now properly regarded as crimes.

 

Marinedem

(373 posts)
14. That was on purpose.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jun 2012

If you can convince people that a right was "Bestowed" you can easily convince them that it can be taken away.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
10. From the Examiner, bogus claims:
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 06:20 PM
Jun 2012
Then, all hell broke loose when Americans fought one another over the most compelling aspects of the Constitution having to do with ensuring freedom and liberty for all citizens regardless of race, creed, religion, gender or any other natural characteristics. The Civil War was about ending slavery and much more as it was about ensuring civil liberties.

The Civil War was not about religion or gender. The pivotal points leading to the war were Southern states that refused to end slavery and their actions to secede from the union over these disagreements.


There are abuses of power by governments from a local renegade sheriff to a renegade President like Richard M. Nixon, though the legal mechanisms available to citizens to rein in abuse are effective in correcting such behavior.

These methods were ineffective for the citizens of McMinn County. There is and should always be a last resort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
11. I thought America was born to get away from Kings bestowing upon their subjects.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:33 PM - Edit history (1)

I thought this Grand Experiment was designed because people have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, while assuming the responsibility of being a good citizen and a contributing member of society. To live harmoniously and peacefully while recognizing the fact that others in the world may not therefore; one must be prepared for circumstances that may arise not of their choosing but, must be handled as quickly and judiciously as possible. Restraint and moderation were the norm.

Maybe I looked out the window too much during my American History class. It was spring, after all.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
13. I may just be dumb
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jun 2012

but I am not really sure what the OP is driving at. Do you have any questions or specific observations to help clarify your intent.

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