Battle of the mouse guns at Walmart

[ileus]

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080903/NEWS/809030345


Eastman told police that Jacques began firing at him with a .25-caliber handgun. Eastman managed to draw his own .32-caliber handgun and return fire, hitting Jacques in the leg and foot, police said.

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I suppose if a 32 is what you feel comfortable with...

But who am I to judge, I carry a 380 or 9mm most of the time. I had to retire my 45 because it wasn't reliable enough.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

1. Heheh

Did either of them realize they'd been shot?

[ileus]

2. Well the one guy was hiding under a shrub.

LOL..... but I figure it was more from trying to hide than "bleeding out"

[Starboard Tack]

3. Another good reason to avoid Walmart country

[gejohnston]

4. That reminds me

My brother (when he was a cop in Riverton, WY in the 1970s) once told me a story about a some clown that shot at a Wind River Reservation cop with a .25 ACP. One bullet got stuck in the notepad in officer's shirt pocket and another bounced off his badge. The rest missed. The Shoshone or Arapaho cop? He had a .357.
I would take a .32 out of the two.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

6. Yeah, i'd go with the .32 too.

At least its heavier when I need to hit someone with it.

[oneshooter]

7. Reason I carry a .45. Bigger hole is better. n/t

[We_Have_A_Problem]

8. I hear ya...

As the old saying goes, a 9mm might expand, but a .45 isn't going to get any smaller...

[DissedByBush]

19. Hehe...

[Hoyt]

21. Figures.

[oneshooter]

23. Sure does! If it gets to the point that you have to poke holes in somebody

make them as large as possable.
And I really could not care less about your thoughts on it.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in texas

[Hoyt]

26. If it gets to that point -- which is not likely.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

28. If it's a bad thing...

...to prepare for unlikely problems, is it okay to install smoke detectors, emergency generators, a UPS for my pc, locks on my doors or buy life insurance?

[Hoyt]

29. As long as the criteria for purchase does not include how many people can you kill with it.

The 96% who routinely walk out their door without a gun also use those things -- fortunately, most of us realize guns are quite different. Hope some day you will too.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

30. The number of people...

...you can kill is determined more by your supply of ammo than the firearm.

Firearms that are owned by government agencies do start becoming evil when they are owned by private citizens.

[ManiacJoe]

32. The fact that the event is unlikely is a good thing.

Being prepared for an unlikely, but deadly, event is also a good thing. The more tools you have at your disposal, the better your odds are at surviving and escaping. "Be Prepared" is not just a Boy Scout thing.

Carrying self-defense tools is not about the 98% of the time you don't need them; it is about the 2% of the time that you do need them. If you are lucky enough to go through life always in the 98%, congrats to you; some folks are not that lucky. While lethal force is not always the answer to a problem, sometimes it is.

[Hoyt]

34. If crime rate were Zero, you guys would still pack.

[ManiacJoe]

35. The 2-legged vermin are not the only ones you need to watch for.

Since carrying a sidearm is not a bad thing, where is the problem that we do carry?

[Hoyt]

36. Depends on where one carries . . . . . . . and why.

[ManiacJoe]

37. Everywhere it is legal to do so.

Trouble does not make appointments.

[burf]

5. Did you read the other stories linked to the attempted robbery?

Seems as though Mr Jacques has had prior run-ins with the law. When he was caught, he was attempting to bury his weapon (at least he didn't have to dig a large hole). Then he claimed he was the victim.

He ought to have felony stupidity added to his charge sheet.

[one-eyed fat man]

9. What was that line about apples

not falling far from the tree? According to one of the linked stories:

"Reneau's older brother, Garry, was jailed after he and three other men took an AK-47 rifle and robbed a gun store in Tannersville in 2005. They brutally beat the store owner with the rifle and stole 62 guns."

Seventeen, armed robbery and he tried to shoot his victim.

I suppose there will a a contingent of weeping and wailing telling us how he was misunderstood, disenfranchised, disadvantaged, alienated, at risk, how much he loved his momma and how he didn't deserve getting shot or charged as an adult.

How much you want to bet he does not get charged on the Federal gun felonies?

[burf]

10. And because you and I own firearms...........

its all our fault.

Sheeeeeesh!

[burf]

11. Yeah, go ahead and pick on the small caliber stuff.

Magalia man shot to death after forcing way into home

A 29-year-old Magalia man with a prison record dating back to at least to 2003, was shot and killed Monday night after he allegedly forced his way into a home in the 15100 block of Jack Pine Way.

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The male resident of the home, who has yet to be identified, reportedly shot Shanks once in the chest with a .22-caliber handgun, according to Butte County sheriff's Sgt. Jason Hail.



What the heck was the bad guy doing out on the street in the first place?

Shanks was released from state prison in mid-November, but he reportedly failed to report to the Butte County Probation Department as required.


According to Butte County Court records and Enterprise-Record archives, Shanks was sentenced to state prison in May 2010 for felony attempting to evade a peace officer and being a felon in possession of a firearm.

That stemmed from an incident that March in which he'd crashed his car into a garage on South Park Drive in Magalia, then ran off to a friend's house where he was captured.

He was also sent to prison in 2007 for felony attempting to evade a peace officer, after leading a deputy on a high-speed chase through Paradise that ended when he crashed into a tree on Steifer Road.

In 2003 he was sent to prison on a charge of "resisting an executive officer."

http://www.chicoer.com/breakingnews/ci_19585254


But of course, we will have those that will blame the evil gun instead of the hoodlum.

[DissedByBush]

12. I'd take that .22 over a .25 or .32

It's actually a more powerful round than either, mainly due to much higher velocities.

A .32 I wouldn't trust for anything more than a gut gun, and if you're that close a good knife would probably be better.

[DonP]

13. I'd rather have a .22 or even the .32 than a can of beans off a shelf to throw for defense. ntxt

[We_Have_A_Problem]

14. .22? Sure.

.32? Only if its made of good steel, otherwise the can of beans might be more effective...

[ileus]

15. I remember my father had a 25 auto

We were from a hunting family, other than a 22 target pistol he never had a SD pistol. Somehow he ended up with a 25 auto sometime in the late 70's. I remember him shooting a coffee can out in the yard with it and sometimes it wouldn't shoot thru both sides.

My first semi-auto SD pistol was a 22. I'd much rather have a 22 than the 25 that's for sure.

[Lurks Often]

17. That is not correct

Published muzzle velocities for the 22 rimfire are either from a rifle barrel or a handgun with a 6" barrel.

I did some digging last year (it took a couple of hours to find the data) and when you compare muzzle velocities of the 22 & 25 caliber guns with the very short barrels, less then 2.5", the muzzle energy is almost identical. In other words, if you take a Beretta Model 21, there is virtually no difference in effective muzzle energy between the two rounds and the 25 ACP is usually more reliable since it was specifically designed for such small guns.

[DissedByBush]

18. Good point on barrel length

But if I want something small, I'd still get something better, at least .380. AFAIK, that's the biggest round where you can still have a fixed, non-locking barrel, which lends itself to inexpensive designs as small as most decent .25s and .32s around.

I'm just not going to shoot at someone with something that can be stopped by a leather jacket.

[krispos42]

16. Well, nobody has every complained that the bullet that shot them was too small n/t

[PavePusher]

25. That was full of win. n/t

[MineralMan]

20. The .25 ACP is the perfect cartridge for

zip guns. It's low pressure profile means that you can make the zip gun from brass pipe fittings. I was challenged once to make a zip gun using only items from the local hardware store. I fired it less than half an hour later. Not accurately, mind you, but it did work.

[Hoyt]

22. Hope posts don't degenerate into bunch of "my favorite gun is bigger/badder/deadlier . . . . . ."

[Paladin]

24. Too Late, Hoyt.

The firearms used didn't meet with our Gun Enthusiast friends' exacting specifications. Better luck next time, right, guys? (And Christ knows, you'll have an infinite number of "Next Times" to savor.....)

[Hoyt]

27. If they could, they'd post their calibres, and list lethal accessories in their signature line.

[oneshooter]

31. Well lets get started

45ACP
9mm Para
32H&R Magnum
38spl
45 Colt
38WCF
44WCF
455Webley
22 Rimfire

Did you want only handgun calibers, or rifle/carbine also?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Hoyt]

33. Glad to see you wasting your time to impress somebody, Oneshooter.