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DashOneBravo brought it up the other day and it's been on my mind. Today I notice in my email:
http://sport.woot.com/offers/gunvault-storage-safes-your-choice?ref=cnt_dly_wobtn
Not trying to spam the group, but does anyone have an opinion of these?
Thanks for any thoughts.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Will any law seek to affirmatively define safe storage (box strength, lock quality, anchored condition, etc.), or will it seek a nagative approach whereby a firearm is not left accessible to children, or unauthorized persons. The one approach is subject to complicated detail and legislative abuse; the other, vagueness and court challenge.
Perhaps a state code can be established recognizing numerous designs as sufficient. A problem area is anchoring: Is it better to bolt it down, and risk defeat with a sledge, or to secret the boxed weapon in a wall alcove? Would a metal, fire-resistant key-entry box slid under the bed do?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...I break safety and security into 5 categories.
- 1 Little or none; close the drawer, put the lawnmower in the shed and close the door.
- 2 Basic; Lock the car, lock the door to the house, use child-safe containers and security.
- 3 Serious; Layered measures that include 2 or more barriers and 1 or more types of surveillance.
- 4 Professional; Multiple barriers, alarms and backups combined with surveillance and live security. (Anything from a major bank to the White House.)
- 5 Intensive; consider the restricted area at Fort Detrick, the blast door at Cheyenne Mountain or maybe this place...
I generally consider any home security to be at 3 or less. Exactly where that should be would depend on a periodic assessment.
thanks
BigAlanMac
(59 posts)I just bought two.
Great deal. I've been using one similar for years in my van for the times I have to disarm to enter a CPZ.
(Criminal Protection Zone)
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)NV100
Price: $14.99 57% off List Price: $34.99
20 Gauge steel construction
Exterior dimensions: 1.5" x 6" x 8.25"
Interior dimensions: 1.5" x 5.75" x 8"
Weighs 2 pounds
NV200
Price: $17.99 55% off List Price: $39.99
18 Gauge steel construction
Exterior dimensions: 1.5" x 6.5" x 9.5"
Interior dimensions: 1.5" x 6.25" x 9.25"
Weighs 3 pounds
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And, even then, the homeowner needs to sign a waiver of rights to allow police to enter the home at will to be sure it's being used correctly.
If the intent is safety for any kids in the home, I think what you have there is adequate. I wouldn't think it adequate to prevent burglars from prying it off the wall, however.
Also, looking at the size of the passport, one needs to buy the larger of the two to hold a single handgun.
After two burglaries in 2012, I decided I wanted a safe and I wanted it soon (I travel a lot). They didn't take any firearms, but did get laptops and coins.
I bought a tall safe from Harbor Freight for $299, I think it's just fine and has room for a lot of other valuables.
They have a nice variety, affordable, too bad they aren't made here.
http://www.harborfreight.com/household/safes.html
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...anything I consider would depend on an assessment.
Sassysdad
(65 posts)$18.00.....I could unlock with my leatherman......not to mention just pick it and carry it away, were you of the criminal contingent.
Both my safes bolt to wall studs and the floor.
$18bucks...about as secure as a ziplock bag around a determined kid or crook.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)BigAlanMac
(59 posts)They are more than large enough for my 1911 and any of my other carry guns.
But, not, of course, my .22 target pistols.
BTW - they come with a 1500# steel cable to secure it to something solid in the vehicle (or where ever).
Most smash and grab types aren't going to take time to pick a lock or try to severe a cable.
Also, I don't leave it out in plain sight. I at least cover it up with a shopping bag.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)Thanks
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)I'm going to get one and try it out. I didn't see that they had a steel cable until BigAlan pointed out.
That's something I could use. I live in the country and don't feel the need to be armed all the time. However I'm often in places for work that I do. And this could be a big help when I have to leave it in the car.