Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumGuns everywhere: Georgia man shoots self in hand outside bar, stray bullet kills woman
Police believe a man outside a bar in Georgia accidentally shot himself in the hand, and the same bullet killed a woman across the street........... Officers soon learned that a Texas woman across the street had been shot by the same bullet that traveled through Lampiens hand. Attempts to save the woman at the scene were not successful, and she was pronounced dead............
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/18/guns-everywhere-georgia-man-shoots-self-in-hand-outside-bar-stray-bullet-kills-woman/
More senseless gun killings.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)with involuntary manslaughter.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Gun loving is a terrible addiction, a preventable public health crisis and curable mental disease.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)a majority of Americans believe...
IronGate
(2,186 posts)But if you have a link proving your assertion, then I'll look at it.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)That proves me wrong.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)it's up to you to prove it with a link.
Or is it that you can't provide a link proving it?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)you prove me wrong, that is the way it works.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)you made the claim, now, back it up with proof.
Gotta wonder why you're balking at providing a link to what you claim.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)your turn, by by these polling results we can see whose side your on.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)You and Fred are claiming that "gun loving" is a mental disease and that most Americans agree with you two.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172151467#post2
2. Should be charged with voluntary gun loving, only after a stint in the mental health ward......
Gun loving is a terrible addiction, a preventable public health crisis and curable mental disease.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172151467#post15
15. yes, what he says and
a majority of Americans believe...
Now please provide a link that proves that most Americans believe that.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I didn't see anything related to your claim in your link.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)clffrdjk
(905 posts)So which poll do you think proves your claim?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Show me a link to a poll that says otherwise...
clffrdjk
(905 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I proved my point. I just agreed with Fred. Not going to prove his point until you prove that it is not.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)And one tha can be dismissed as lunacy. You were the one who asserted that the majority agreed with his opinion. But you knew that already bucause this is the third time I have explained it to you.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)and there is not one, so there is no way to prove either way until one is conducted, now get back to MY POINT...
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
clffrdjk
(905 posts)You posted that as evidence supporting you previous statement of the majority agreeing with another's opinion. What exactly it the point you are trying to get to?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I would just be wasting my time explaining it to you... again.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)what you and Fred are agreeing with.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)clffrdjk
(905 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Next.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)How juvenile.
Still can't prove what you and Fred agree on?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)cause he is a pillar of stability....
Juvenile? your the one posting emoticons... my 11 year old likes sending those to his friends too.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Still won't highlight that section of the poll which says that most Americans agree that "gun loving" is a mental disease?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Look at the results in the link for
"Do you support or oppose stricter gun control laws in the United States?"
IronGate
(2,186 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)that most Americans agree that "gun loving" is a mental disease.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)so going forward since you changed the subject again, which is clearly your MO...
I have determined that you are here just to waste peoples time, by engaging in logical fallacies.
Construct straw man arguments.
Argue in circles with points that you cannot prove yourself.
Side with Republicans.
Side with armed coward stalkers.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)You're the one who agreed with Fred that "gun loving" was a mental disease and when asked to provide a link proving it, you provide a poll on gun control that had nothing to do with yours and Fred's assertation.
You want to talk about epic fail? Try looking in the mirror.
Have a nice day, I'm done with you and your gibberish.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning and you know no poll exists so you are neither right or wrong.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)Here let me quote myself.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I have to provide a link to back up my opinion?
I never said it or claimed that a majority.
But my link you ignore does back up my opinion that a majority of people want gun control.
You do realize that the only people that don't want more gun control are republicans?
You doooo realize this is the Democratic Underground website...
clffrdjk
(905 posts)15. yes, what he says and a majority of Americans believe...
Have a nice day.
Nice try
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Please highlight the portion where it says that most Americans believe that "gun loving" is a mental disease.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)But I agree with it...
clffrdjk
(905 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)15. yes, what he says and
a majority of Americans believe...
So, again, please highlight where in that poll it says that most Americans agree with you and Fred that "gun loving" is a mental disease.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Infantile attempts to slur gun owners generally by posting pictures like the one above?
Flailin' and failin' you are.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)way of argument must be a big hit in the local grade school playground.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Transparent attempt to hide your childishness by leveling false accusation.
Keep flailing!
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)good luck with this dude... I think your momma is calling you. Now run along.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Right back at ya.
DonP
(6,185 posts)One of our banned posters consistently posts photos from his family outings too.
Mr. Snot can post his personal pix if he wants to.
I'm sure his pointless rantings are changing people's minds and driving new legislation to ban and control guns ... any minute now.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Your photo. That'll leave a mark!
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Gun rights supporting Dems are used to this infantile broad-brush behavior.
Rolls off us like water off a duck's back.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Lot's of us stopped playing gunner debate games a while ago.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Since when?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)still play debate games because holding on to your guns is all that masters. Disgusting!
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Maybe you didn't understand it?
Since when is proving a claim a gunners game?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)and lost. Now if he would only acknowledge that...
Y'all are funny, claiming something that, in reality, didn't happen, but if it floats your boat and makes you feel better about yourselves, have at it.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Have a nice day... next!
IronGate
(2,186 posts)So, you have a nice day also......Next up?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)believe that "gun loving" is a mental disease.
That's what you and Fred are claiming, so, show it.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I did not make the claim, just agreed with it.
My opinion, if I could link to my brain I would for you.
o·pin·ion
əˈpinyən/Submit
noun
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance"
synonyms: belief, judgment, thought(s), (way of) thinking, mind, (point of) view, viewpoint, outlook, attitude, stance, position, perspective, persuasion, standpoint; More
the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.
"the changing climate of opinion"
an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something.
"I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved"
The only claim of fact I made was that a majority of people want gun control, which my link showed.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)I never said otherwise, but you posted a poll claiming that it showed that most Americans agreed with you and Fred that "gun loving" is a mental disease, right?
So it should be pretty easy to highlight that section of the poll, right?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Now...
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
You take your little mouse and scroll over and use a left mouse click on the link...
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)... says that the majority of American believe "gun loving" is a "mental disease."
Nothing.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)not even close, you changed the subject to Fred's statement... why did you do that?
Because I proved my point.
And you could not refute it.
done.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)See my above post for citation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172151467#post91
You may wish to pretend that you had another point, but you only took that tack after being called on your original position. You agreed with Fred and then tried (and are still trying) to backpedal.
♩ ♫ Tea for two, and two for tea ... ♪ ♩ ♫
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)original point to Fred's since you failed to prove me incorrect.
I clarified my opinion of what Fred stated, but removed majority, since there is no way to prove right or wrong since no poll exists. And you know that. I said it was my opinion.
You post do prove one thing to me... that gun nuts fear any sensible gun control measures since they know deep down they probably won't be able to own guns anymore...
That's why they attack out of state gun control measures, even though they don't have an impact on them. if they work they might spread.
NRA, the arms industries make sure to attack them every chance.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)original point to Fred's since you failed to prove me incorrect.
Bullshit. I "railroaded" nothing. Your "original point" was unequivocal agreement with Fred.
Fred Sanders:
You:
IronGate:
You:
a majority of Americans believe...
When the falsity of his position was pointed out, you backtracked and took another tack. Now you're trying to pretend you never said what you said in the first place.
Intellectually dishonest, but not surprising.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Straw Man
(6,625 posts)YOUR post. Remember?
I misspoke by referring to the "falsity of his position." Fred stated an opinion. The falsity was yours alone in claiming that the majority of Americans agree with Fred.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Cite the evidence supporting your position.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)I've been saying this for years, and culture warriors regularly prove it to be true...
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)I'm always amused by the classic comeback to a challenge to support an argument: "I'm not gonna do your research for you". Basically the argument is conceded at that point.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)It would be interesting one to have...
I don't have to cite any evidence, gun nuts prove it almost on a daily basis... but I know, not EVERYDAY a gun nut goes on a murderous rampage or shoots their dick off or gives an uzi to their 9 year old that ends up shooting the instructor dead...
Those people are sane.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I got nothing but facts....
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
IronGate
(2,186 posts)that most American's think "gun loving" is a mental disease?
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)
It's up to you to prove your assertion that over half the American population thinks that gun ownership is a mental illness. The assertion is ludicrous on its face, but if you have a poll that supports it, I'd like to see that. The poll you posted had nothing to do with the "mental illness" claim.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)but it does show that a majority of people want more gun control and that you agree with republicans on a democratic forum.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)but it does show that a majority of people want more gun control and that you agree with republicans on a democratic forum.
That was not your original contention, which you have failed to support and have not retracted.
Please show me where I have "agreed with republicans." The logic that construes anyone showing the slightest opposition to a given gun-control statement as "agree(ing) with republicans" is reductive and cartoonish.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)at being wrong and being a republican...
"In general, do you think laws covering the sale of guns should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?"
More strict...
Republicans = 33%
Democrats = 77%
Sorry...
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)at being wrong and being a republican...
"In general, do you think laws covering the sale of guns should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?"
More strict...
Republicans = 33%
Democrats = 77%
How do you account for the 23% of Democrats who do NOT think gun laws should be made more strict? Just call them Republicans?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)77% > 23%..... or 3/4 to 1/4th.... just saying.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Precisely. One quarter of Democrats do not want stricter gun laws. Yet you are claiming that people who don't want stricter gun laws must be Republicans. How do you reconcile that?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)on democratic message board. In the minority... A couple more gun nut rampages will keep pushing that 77% number up.
Not a matter of "if" but when....
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)... that the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening?
Keep beating that dead horse, man. Maybe one of these days it will get up and run.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)didn't you....
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)didn't you....
Your sniveling personal attack says far more about you than it does about me. Is this all you have left?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)obviously you can try and dish it out but cannot take it.
Once again you have nothing.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Your crude insults did not.
This is not a middle-school playground.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...some are posting from one.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)You keep saying that but don't have any insults... telling it like it is is NOT an insult.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)didn't you....
--http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172151467#post169
... "I think you forgot to take something this morning" is not an insult? Then what is it?
"Telling it like it is"? Like WHAT is? Do you happen to know something about my morning habits? What is it that you know, and how do you know it?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I was just looking out for your best interests....
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)I was just looking out for your best interests....
You're just getting in deeper. If you're not going to address topics, you might as well save your bandwidth.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)your desperation is overwhelming....
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)your desperation is overwhelming....
This isn't a forum for exchanging personal insults. If you can't address topics, you have no business posting here.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Wouldn't "grow up" fall under and attempt at an insult?
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Actually, I'm not the least bit phased by whatever crap you wish to sling at me. I merely point it out because of how it reflects on you and your credibility.
Actually, no. I would call it friendly advice. You may want to heed it if you ever wish to be taken seriously.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)you punted.... Again....
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)This subthread is devoid of point or meaning.
Was there something in there that required a detailed response? I didn't see anything.
Have a nice day.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Me grow up, riiiighhhht.
Cause you are so mature.
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Are you going to try for more?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)again. Nice attempt at projection. You must be a masochist... Keep coming back for more...
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)if you are against any gun control, I and I did prove my point so many times it is ridiculous.
Your post show that time and time again.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)I am one of the 23% of Democrats who does not think gun control laws should be stricter. This does not make me a Republican, despite your earlier accusations. I see that you're now trying to move the goalposts to "agree(ing) with (R)epublicans." I submit to you that the vast majority of Republicans believe that the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening. Agree or disagree?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Typical... accuse the me of what you are in fact engaging in... sad really.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)About Democrats who oppose additional gun control? You know -- the fact that they do exist?
No? I thought not.
Sad really.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...of Teabaggers: paranoia, baseless personal attacks, overblown claims of danger, and wildly exaggerated claims of popularity.
It is indeed sad...
DonP
(6,185 posts)Maybe it's the repetitive use of the same disproven memes again and again for the past decade with nothing to show for it?
Or maybe it's the movement of the goal posts from; "Ban all scary looking semi autos" to "Let's get this post hidden and declare victory"?
When Bloomberg's bought and paid for meat puppets and millions of $ still can't get a grocery store to ban open carry, there's a problem with the "movement".
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)are oblivious to reality....
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)that is the good part... what is sad that you are still replying...
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)that is the good part... what is sad that you are still replying...
More and more Democrats are realizing that gun control has little to do with public safety and much to do with loss of rights.
You think it's "sad" that I'm still replying, yet you are doing the same thing. What does that say about you?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)It stank when Bush/Cheney did it, and it stinks even worse
when alleged 'progressives' do it.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...they spread regardless. The AWB for example, did nothing, cost a lot and is still being pushed, passed and wasting resources and attention today.
While relevance to common sense is possible, relevance to fascism is more likely if the words are being promoted Bloomberg.
True grassroots ideas go nowhere if most of the 99% don't examine information with diligence.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Fred Sanders said this:
You said this:
a majority of Americans believe...
And now you say this:
You would appear to be at odds with yourself.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Not that that is a surprise.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Would proving a majority either way sway your opinion? Is that what it's about, going with the flow?
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Fred said that most American's think that "gun loving" is a mental disease and Mike agreed with him, I asked for a link proving their assertions, which so far, is sadly lacking.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)I guess it could be argued that "gun loving" is a mental disease, depending on what one means by "loving". Of course, that could be applied to anything.
However, my point was that a majority thinking one way or the other has little to do with the merit of one's argument. Sometimes I agree with the majority and sometimes not. My opinions are not determined by consensus, nor by any other criteria beyond my own assessment, which I try to keep as independent as possible.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)worry, at least the gun is safe and not involved much.....making a spectacle of common sense and compassion in one fell swoop.
It is all they got.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)that this idiot coward will get to keep his gun and no charges will be filed by LEO, and the family will have to file a wrongful death civil suit.
I hope I am wrong.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Maybe if you had read the article, you would've known this.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Found guilty, that's another story.
Trayvon Martins killer was "charged" too.
If reality played into you world, you would have not responded that way.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)That tells me all I need to know about how you view reality.
I must have missed the part where Trayvon was alive and Zimmerman was in jail.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)Instead you cling to the idea that Trayvon was the victim.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)clffrdjk
(905 posts)That proves that Trayvon was not on top of Zim bashing his head into the concrete?
the prosecution team completely blew this case.
But if you really believe Z was the victim, then I really do not care what you believe anymore.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^°
clffrdjk
(905 posts)Not public opinion.
Do you have any evidence proving him guilty?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The man is out of his mind. He decided recently to HIRE HIMSELF as a night watch man without the owners permission of a shop. Took it upon himself again. Just like last time. And he beat his wife up. And her father. And his girlfriend. And keeps getting pulled over with a gun in his car. And.......
clffrdjk
(905 posts)But not single thing to counter the courts' ruling which I do support.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hop nobody kills your unarmed loved one. Really, I do.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)Let me know when you are done playing make believe.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)My career forces me to be a realist.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)how childish...
IronGate
(2,186 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)The fact that you deflect so pathetically away from my original point.
So just for clarification, there is NO POLL to point to, so your point is moot.
BUT since you are still confused and if I was called and polled and the question was framed something like this...
Do you consider people who feel the need to parade around with military style weapons in malls and grocery stores, want to pack heat where ever they go, feel they need to arm themselves with massive amounts of guns, stockpile and hoard ammunition are suffering from "mental illness".
I would say yes...
Now, if you can and you have demonstrated time and time again that YOU CANNOT prove me wrong and ignore and have to change the subject to Fred's opinion....
And BTW here is the latest poll in Chicago regarding CC...
On the question of whether the state's concealed carry law should be amended to ban the possession of concealed firearms in any place that has a liquor license, nearly three-quarters of voters said yes, with 96 percent of precincts reporting.
The City Council already has adopted an ordinance to revoke liquor licenses from establishments that do not ban firearms. State law bans weapons only in bars or restaurants that make more than half their money from selling alcohol.
About 76 percent of voters said yes to a referendum asking whether the state should pass a measure to ban gun magazines with more than 15 rounds, again with 96 percent of precincts in. The proposal is backed by Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Gov. Pat Quinn.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-referendums-20140318-story.html
IronGate
(2,186 posts)all I was saying is for you to point out where it says that most Americans agree with you and Fred that "gun loving" is a mental disease, which, so far, you've failed to do so.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I never disputed the results of the poll,
Of course not, that is why you punted and changed the subject to strawmanville...
You have not proved that a majority of Americans don't agree that gun loving is a mental illness.
But your post suggest there is a connection.
So IF there was this poll, I would be willing to bet that I would win there also.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)that was your point not mine.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...and find that at least half can't adequately define "mental illness".
While you're thinking on that, maybe you can define "gun loving".
Would you have any statistics on how many people (or what percentage) are "gun lovers"?
samsingh
(17,601 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)It's a tragic accident, one which the man will pay for.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:06 PM - Edit history (1)
enough
(13,262 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Along with the idiot legislators who made it legal for him to be standing there with a loaded fucking gun.
Of course he will be charged, as every idiot who does shit like this should be charged, but the victims are still dead. Heckuva price to pay for making it legal to carry.
RandySF
(59,221 posts)that if he wasn't carrying the gun, she would be alive.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)"It's OK he killed somebody, the State will get revenge"?
Tell that to the dead woman's family.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Thought it was pretty obvious.
The point is that he will charged.
Point out where I said that.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)the sentiment behind your purposefully laconic apologia.
Why else point out the obvious? Please don't play coy, IG. It's weak and fools no-one.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Your paraphrasing sucks, that's not what I meant at all.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Have a nice day. OK?
IronGate
(2,186 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)not.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)and those making money off their sale.
acalix
(81 posts)And everybody who drinks for pleasure or to get drunk?
Some 90,000 deaths associated with it each year. Do you rationalize off the deaths because it "isn't designed to kill?"
samsingh
(17,601 posts)you can't put half empty bottles of booze on your desk at work.
so yes, let's have similar restrictions on guns.
great point.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)you can't put half empty bottles of booze on your desk at work.
so yes, let's have similar restrictions on guns.
Federal law prohibits the purchase of firearms by anyone under the age of 18. Most states have laws against the carry of firearms while intoxicated.
You can most certainly have a half-empty bottle of booze on your desk if your employer allows it. Open display of firearms at work in open-carry states is also at the discretion of the employer. In other states, it would be illegal.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)but employers have the right to ban the alcohol. why not guns?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Straw Man
(6,625 posts)What age? Where? No one under 12 can handle a gun in New York State. State laws vary on this, obviously.
Employers can and do ban guns. It's rare for employers to allow carry of firearms by employees. Very rare.
Where do you get these notions?
acalix
(81 posts)You do not need a background check to buy a bottle of liquor.
If implementing licensing and background checks was proven to reduce the obscene amount of death associated with alcohol, would you be a proponent? People should prove that they will not abuse their drinks before consuming a bottle of Jack Daniels. Habitual drunkards and people who drink and drive should lose their license to consume alcohol for all eternity. Sound good?
What about minimum pricing and taxes on alcohol like what Canada does? Such measures are proven to reduce the deaths associated with this drug.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21358995
At least guns are used for hunting which directly benefits wildlife by means of culling overpopulated species and conservation. Alcohol serves no purpose other than to get drunk and have fun. That's it.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Saved my butt several times.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)a movie?
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Operation Iraqi Freedom.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)not the same as sitting across the street in GA.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)Missing war?
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts).
Why does the BATF not spend any time trying to save lives that are ruined by alcohol? I mean it's the A in BATF.
Most progressive gun enthusiasts strongly support gun handling and safety training, safe storage, background checks, and stiff penalties to discourage stupidity and carelessness.
This Georgia case is sad for all involved, but could have been avoided 17 different ways.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)I have one sure way,
DON'T LET IDIOTS WALK AROUND WITH GUNS IN PUBLIC!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)change a mental illness that is gun worship.
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woodsprite
(11,924 posts)glad to see restaurants and stores have signs saying
"No firearms allowed, except for law enforcement personnel."
doxydad
(1,363 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)Was there any enforcement mechanism at all?
No, of course not. Every person, no person, or some persons were carrying in those stores with those signs, and neither you, nor the owners, nor the staff, had any clue as to who, if anybody, was carrying, legally or illegally, a handgun.
I would imagine that sign would be as effective as one saying "No Child Molesters Allowed". Would you feel safer in an establishment with such a sign displayed? How about "No Rapists Allowed"? "No Robbers Allowed?"
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)why can I not get this image out of my head
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)that there is an "epidemic" of gun violence.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
doxydad
(1,363 posts)...is too many. This cutesy 'pandemic of propaganda' that you LOVE to use, is an NRA trigger term of endearment. Shows who you throw in with the NRA, a gun manufacturers lobbyist group, hell bent on selling tons of guns and ammo to the fearful and delirious. There is an epidemic.....of stupidity with certain gun 'owners'.
Nice way of me saying 'lunatic fringe murderers'.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Too bad for your specious "arguments" that numerous surveys have demonstrated that defensive gun use is at least as common as offensive.
So your "moral" position goes up in smoke.
Edited to add: The NRA couldn't "convince" anyone that the crime rate has been dropping steadily since 1993 if it wasn't a fact. But keep your tired talking points rolling.