Finally a new personal protection device.

[ileus]

Last edited Sat Oct 26, 2013, 09:46 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm thinking of hitting the funshow this weekend in search of a new slim pistol for conceal carry. Now I must say if there's a XDS in 45 somewhere at the show that's what I'd like to pick up most. But assuming all the XDs (9 and 45's ) are out for recall I doubt there'll be one around.

Below are a few I'm thinking about in 9mm. Kahr CM9 , M&P Shield, and Nano.







I've already checked out the Nano and Sheild, but haven't found a Kahr yet. I really liked the M&P...but like the idea of the weight of the Kahr.

Of course there's always the offhand chance I'll find something else like a 442 in my price range. Or maybe I'll find a 45 in some other size that I'd rather have. LOL

I'm also still on the fence on a 40 or 9mm, in the shield.

Any recommendations on a "slim" (not 26/27/9c/40c thick) personal defense pistol?

[gejohnston]

1. just me but,

Smith in .40 and the Beretta in 9mm.

[ileus]

5. I've thought about a Shield in 40

Just because I don't / won't shoot my Sig in 40, and can't get the Shield in my favorite caliber.

I thought the Nano was a little front heavy for my taste, and really liked the almost full length grip of the shield.

I hate picking out a new carry firearm, I've been known to put 40 hours in research on picking out a new toilet, and 6 moths on vehicles. I've already put probably 120 hours of internet and gun shop time on different pistols over the past few months. And as always I just can't decide when lives are on the line.

I've read lots of not so good stuff about the Kahr's lately, and of course there's always the disgruntled owners on different forums.

I've owned an M&P 9c and really loved the pistol but found it just too thick for summer carry the way I go about CC. A quarter inch difference in thickness makes a world of difference between looking like I have a cellphone and looking like I have a prosthetic hip. LOL

[pscot]

2. Eeew! Gun porn

[oneshooter]

3. If you don't like it, don't open it. n/t

[Shrike47]

7. I thought the subject was maybe vaginal deodorant.

[Eleanors38]

19. We gun humpers are broadening our appeal.

[gejohnston]

4. Walther PPS

in either caliber. About the same size as a PPK, but more modern.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_PPS

[ileus]

6. I come real close to a PPS

several years back then found a 9c and fell in love.

If I'd picked the PPS then I'd not be having this search today.

[oneshooter]

8. I'm still looking for a reasonable priced post war High Power in 40cal

Got a 357SIG barrel and recoil spring in a trade and think it would make a great SD combo.

[tridim]

27. You fell in love with a gun?

Wow.

[ileus]

37. Until you lay a hand on the M&P

Series you'll not know how great the ergonomics really are.

For me they're the cream of the plastic fantastic pistols.

[SoutherDem]

16. I agree

I have a Walther PPS 9mm. Great little gun.

[mike_c]

9. NRA snuff porn that has no business on a liberal democratic discussion board....

Why the admin allows you NRA types to post this crap here is beyond me.

[oneshooter]

10. If you don't like it, then don't open it. n/t

[beevul]

11. Right...

Because only 1/3 of Democrats own guns, and NONE of them are enthusiasts.



If you can refer to posters here, as "nra types", and its just hunky dory, can we refer to you as "gun grabber types" in an equally unsubstantiated way? Note to jurors, I have not done so.

Or would that violate community double standards?

[Ranchemp.]

12. Then I would suggest that you take it up with the Administration

rather than the group.

[ileus]

13. This is a 2A progressive democratic thread.

I find it funny you were the first one to post about the NRA.


MY thread is about my next personal protection firearm...a topic allowed in the RKBA forum.

Let's not derail this thread....if you have a favorite personal protection firearm to recommend then do so. I'm always open to other progressives opinions.

[Starboard Tack]

31. Your use of the word "progressive" once more demonstrates your ignorance

You are a joke. Put the comic books down and grow up.

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. "snuff porn"

Clue: hyperbole almost always makes people's first reaction to your point a negative one.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

24. You know what's most aggravating about the anti-rights crowd using such terms?

If you were to graphically describe what they imply, particularly when they're addressing females with such terms, they would react with shocked horror and moral outrage; and while that would be the proper reaction it would be a hypocritical reaction on their part.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. When did censorship, close mindedness and suppressing dissent become

liberal democratic virtues? My guess: never. In fact, the definitions of "liberal" and "democratic" are 180-degrees out of phase with what you wrote.

[krispos42]

14. The great thing about modern guns...

...is that they're usually so good, all that's left to argue about is minor details.

You can try the Ruger LC9; that's a single-stack 9mm.

[ileus]

15. Ruger...

One of ky favorite brands...3 of the last 6 or 8 pistols have been rugers. That includes a SR45 a few months back...and their soon to be new plant is 141 miles away.

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. My small carry PPD...

...is a Smith & Wesson 908, and I like it quite a bit. However, you'd have to find a used one, as I don't believe it's been in production for a while. It's a bit larger than the models you're looking at, though...and I've been considering a Nano, myself.

[ileus]

22. production ended in 2007

Nice looking pistol, just checked one out on Gunbroker.

[ileus]

21. Now that's hurtful...my feelings are hurt.

I just made a thread to see what people's opinions on a quality single stack easy to conceal self defense personal safety device.

Just celebrated my 15yr anniversary at the hospital and received a nice little check. What better way to spend the funds than something to protect me and my family...

Anyway I just found out Kahr has a CM45 coming out soon (It may be already on the market) A 45 would be of great interest to me if I'm going to limit myself to a 5-7 round magazine. I need something a little thinner for summer carry, but with a little more ummph than the LCP I currently carry.

There's a gunshow in Roanoke thought it would be a great opportunity to handle all the logical candidates. Plus It'll be a great time to pick up Christmas gifts for all the guys in the shop. (Normally I buy a box of their favorite self defense ammo)

[DonP]

26. FWIW - I'm very happy with the stainless Kimber Pro TLE II in 45 ACP

It was a range rental at a LGS and only had around 500 rounds put through it. Just about the right amount for break in on a Kimber 4 inch to save me polishing the feed ramp.

I originally started looking for a 3-inch sub compact in 45 ACP, but ran into a lot of negative comments on FTF problems and FTE via stove piping. I guess getting the reliability we take for granted in a 1911 gets a lot harder to achieve with that short 3" barrel and recoil. The 4 inch pro size, no such problems after a week of combing the web and asking questions.

The owner gave me a fair deal on it. It cleaned up really nice, all stainless, came with Novak Night sights and I may add Crimson Trace grips at some point, when the budget allows it. Picked up a nice Galco Avenger OWB Holster custom made for the Kimber Pro series.

It will be one of my carry pieces, along with my older Colt .380 Pocketlite, an identical 1911 pattern without the grip safety, come January when Illinois finally joins the rest of the country with CCW.

[Starboard Tack]

32. Sorry, not buying it.

I can't imagine a hospital that would allow an employee to walk around armed. Of course, you could be a patient, which would make more sense, but then what hospital rewards it's patients with checks, let alone internet access.
I haven't figured out yet if you are really as nutty as you claim, or are just a wind up artist who's never been near a gun. I'm leaning toward the latter.
Bottom line is, you don't belong here.

[ileus]

35. Naw man the hospital

Gave me a check for years
of loyal service. Can't carry while at work, I do carry a Kimber pepper blaster while I'm here.

This firearm I need now is to replace a 9c that I traded back in the spring.

Wanting a thinner CC firearm but with more punch than my LCP has.

As a 2A progressive liberal where do you think I belong? Have I at any point and time claimed I was nutty? That's twice you've offended me...now I'm really sad at you.

[DonP]

40. Wow! A 6-0 hide in the Gungeon Is that a record?

It's got to be pretty rare to have an entire jury think you were acting like a jerk in the Gungeon and hit you with a shut out.

Oh well. He can go back to Bansalot and claim victim hood with no chance of being hidden as long as he spews the approved Bloombergian talking points and hates on the Gungeon folk.

Me, I'm taking my new Kimber Pro for a test drive this weekend, getting ready for Illinois CCW.

I always wonder what gun grabbers do on the weekends for fun, while we're shooting and talking to the folks in the next couple of lanes?

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. "Bottom line is, you don't belong here." It's all about control, isn't it?

If you can't win the debate, try to exclude your opponent(s)...

[hack89]

25. Isn't this the forum to talk about guns?

you can always go back to Castle Bansalot if the subject offends you - that is a non-feeling hurt place.

[Starboard Tack]

28. No, it is not the "forum" to talk about guns.

It is a group to discuss RKBA and gun control with the overall heading of public safety. It is not a place for idiots who promote carrying loaded weapons around for no good reason. It is not a place for imbeciles who think giving little children guns is all part of "family fun". It is not a place for charlatans, like Ileus, to promote handguns, which are killing tools, as personal protection devices. Shame on him and those who defend his childish nonsense.

[hack89]

29. Self defense is part of public safety

nice rant by the way - you managed every gun controller meme possible.

[Starboard Tack]

30. Bullshit. Self defense is about self. Has nothing to do with public safety.

And carrying a gun in public for any reason is public endangerment. I'm not saying it is never justified, but even when it is, the public is still endangered.

[hack89]

33. Others feel differently.

Now that concealed carry is universal in America, we will see what happens. The smart money is that gun violence will continue to decline and CCW holders will continue to be less violence the the general public.

Fortunately we live in a country where we have choices. I understand you choose differently. But your irrational fears do not trump the rights of others.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

34. A question

How is/can any "public endangerment" act be justified?

[gejohnston]

36. have any evidence to supporrt this?

would you like to debate the head of INTERPOL?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172133273

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. "...carrying a gun in public for any reason is public endangerment."

Which is why the millions of CCW permit holders have been responsible for so many injuries and deaths.

Oh, wait...

[ileus]

38. Handguns are made to save lives

And I feel my life and the lives of my family are good and sufficient reason for carrying a defensive firearm in public.

You know our government wouldn't allow citizen ownership of any device made for killing.

[Ghost in the Machine]

39. The funny thing is, he's not even from "Castle Bansalot", but a HOST of the Frugal and Energy

Efficient Living Group, yet he posts very little in there, as opposed to *this* being his "Favorite Group"! Imagine that, would ya?!?! 196 posts in the last 90 days, with 126.. or 64% of his posts are in here. That's some real dedication to his group he's hosting, huh?

Oh...wait! *maybe* he's trying to get us to live more frugally by not spending our own money on whatever we WANT to spend it on? It might just be a case of "having the Sadz" because we don't *have to*, or *want to* "live frugally"?

Even more curious, an advanced search of his Group, in which he is the Top Host, shows only 5 posts from him from Dec. 2011 through today, and thay were between Jan - Nov of 2012. Maybe the Admins should remove him from that spot and give it to someone more deserving, who actually participates in the group... what do you think?

Number of posts, last 90 days: 196
Favorite forum: Latest Breaking News, 6 posts in the last 90 days (3% of total posts)
Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA, 126 posts in the last 90 days (64% of total posts)
Last post: Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:50 AM

Jury
Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Eligible to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 80% (explain)
Number of times served on Juries: 89

Hosting
Frugal and Energy Efficient Living

Peace,

Ghost

[Lizzie Poppet]

42. It could be argued that the Outdoor Life group in Recreation is more appropriate.

But then again, that's not really a perfect fit, either, for discussions on guns for personal protection. Hunting and target shooting would be closer. A lot of posters would prefer that this subject (guns for protection) not be discussed at all on DU. For them, I have the world's smallest violin...

[Kaleva]

47. I think it depends on how the OP is written

If the primary purpose of the OP is to discuss a gun or guns to be used for self/home defense, then I think it's okay because of this part of the group SOP:

"the use of firearms for self-defense"

Some months ago I had written about the Mosin-Nagant but I posted that over in Outdoor Life because I was talking about them in general and not specifically about their use for self defense.

[ileus]

44. And my public safety device choice was

The M&P Shield in 9mm, 389...


If I'd have any experience with Kahr I'd have come home with a CW45 @ 349.00 < I may have to revisit this if I can ever find one to fire, I couldn't tell if I liked the trigger or not, but it felt good in the hand and I thought the quality was pretty good.

I can't wait to hit the range tomorrow and break it in...

[petronius]

45. Congrats, that seems like a great price

I've been coveting an M&P (full size) for a while, based just on the looks - I haven't even touched one. Rumor is that my employer will be kicking down a retroactive raise in December, so a shopping trip may be in the offing. Let us know how you like your new self-defense equipment...

[ileus]

46. I had a M&P 9c

but made a great trade this spring I couldn't turn down...

I love the ergo's on the M&P series, they just feel so darned good. I plan on getting a fullsized 45 or 9 one of these days. FWIW my 9c never failed, and it eat every cheap walturd brand I fed it.

While the Shield doesn't feel as nice as the larger M&P's I really like it's size and initial quality.

I come real close to switching completely and picking up a 442 or 642 @399