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iris27

(1,951 posts)
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 09:54 PM Dec 2011

"I have always known I was a girl."

The writing in the article is a little problematic, especially wrt names and pronouns, but this young woman's courage is amazing.

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/family/articles/2011/12/11/led_by_the_child_who_simply_knew/?page=full

The twin boys were identical in every way but one. Wyatt was a girl to the core, and now lives as one, with the help of a brave, loving family and a path-breaking doctor’s care.

(photo caption) Nicole Maines, 14, her twin brother, Jonas, and their parents have traveled a long, trying road. Nicole Maines, 14, her twin brother, Jonas, and their parents have traveled a long, trying road.

(snip)

“Dad, you might as well face it,’’ Wayne recalls Jonas saying. “You have a son and a daughter.’’

That early declaration marked, as much as any one moment could, the beginning of a journey that few have taken, one the Maineses themselves couldn’t have imagined until it was theirs. The process of remaking a family of identical twin boys into a family with one boy and one girl has been heartbreaking and harrowing and, in the end, inspiring - a lesson in the courage of a child, a child who led them, and in the transformational power of love.

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"I have always known I was a girl." (Original Post) iris27 Dec 2011 OP
K&R yardwork Dec 2011 #1
K&R HillWilliam Dec 2011 #2
I have a theory about all this.......... TheDebbieDee Dec 2011 #3
Or none of the above. Gender is something I just don't identify with at all. I feel unbelievably iris27 Dec 2011 #4
And the question I'd ask of our society HillWilliam Dec 2011 #6
I won't say I felt as though I was the only one like that, but we seem to be awfully few. TygrBright Dec 2011 #7
I am the same way. MadrasT Dec 2011 #9
I've listened closely to a couple of NPR pieces lately HillWilliam Dec 2011 #5
The most restrictive definition of gender in Western Culture... Evasporque Dec 2011 #11
Heh I know what the title feels like uriel1972 Dec 2011 #8
K&R Zorra Dec 2011 #10
K&R! William769 Dec 2011 #12
The article brought tears to my eyes............ Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #13
 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
3. I have a theory about all this..........
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:00 PM
Dec 2011

When I had biology class in high school and college, we were taught that a sperm (with its sex chromosome) fertilizes the egg/ova (with its own sex chromosome) and a shell of some type miraculously forms around the egg/ova that prevents other sperm from penetrating the egg/ova and adding more sex chromosomes..........

But this theory must be bullshit! I believe that more than one sperm fertilizes the egg/ova on a fairly routine basis - if it were possible to examine the sex chromosomes of everyone in the world, I believe we would find more than two sex chromosomes occurs more often than thought.

I also believe that the human race has been mistaken in its belief that there are only two sexes; male and female.

I think there may be three sexes; male, female and the sex/area in between.................

iris27

(1,951 posts)
4. Or none of the above. Gender is something I just don't identify with at all. I feel unbelievably
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:24 PM
Dec 2011

out of place in highly-gendered spaces, masculine or feminine, doesn't matter. It's like a language I don't speak and can't learn.

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
6. And the question I'd ask of our society
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 12:07 AM
Dec 2011

is why you should have to. You're fine just being.

I've never thought narrowly-defined roles to be natural.

TygrBright

(20,759 posts)
7. I won't say I felt as though I was the only one like that, but we seem to be awfully few.
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 01:27 AM
Dec 2011

"A language I don't speak and can't learn" is a good description. I have a detached intellectual understanding of the assumptions attached to gender, but... They don't make sense to me, and try as I might, I can't make them make sense.

People are people.

I have learned to "pass." And I was lucky enough to find a soulmate who just happens to fit the preconceived assumptions our pathological culture has about "appropriate." But it could just have easily (and has, at other times in my life) been "wildly inappropriate." And I never, ever saw why the hell it should be anyone's business but mine and my partners'.

I wish our culture wasn't so sick.

But I'm glad I finally recognized that it's the culture that is sick, not me.

wearily,
Bright

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
9. I am the same way.
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:32 PM
Dec 2011
"Or none of the above. Gender is something I just don't identify with at all. I feel unbelievably out of place in highly-gendered spaces, masculine or feminine, doesn't matter. It's like a language I don't speak and can't learn."


I am the same way. I am in a female body and am now OK with presenting as "female", but I don't fit the female stereotype at all. It has been very puzzling to me.

(But then, I never felt like I should be male instead, either. My mother wanted me to shun all things that were too "female", which wasn't much of a problem for me because I just didn't care that much.)

I generally have male partners who don't really fit the male stereotype, either.

It was a really interesting article. I can't even imagine being that strongly driven to identify with the gender that matches my body, let alone the gender that doesn't.

Gender issues puzzle me. I am highly sympathetic to all human gender issues because it has been so confusing to me (even when I feel like I can't understand all the motivators, I surely understand the confusion and angst that comes with "not fitting the expected stereotype".)

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
5. I've listened closely to a couple of NPR pieces lately
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:58 PM
Dec 2011

Actually there's quite a palette of gender (or non) expression. Reality is nothing like the Mendelian XX/XY binary. The exploration of DNA and the human genome got a lot more complicated than the pioneers ever thought. The science is still evolving and it's fascinating to hear the results.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
11. The most restrictive definition of gender in Western Culture...
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 02:01 PM
Dec 2011

...are the norms society and culture impose on the individual by enforcing a gender binary system.

Gender is not binary despite the factual acceptance of stereotypes.

I have mused a lot on gender and keep coming up with four aspects of gender that influence and describe gender in a individual. They all work together and given the nature of the culture can also be at odds with one another.

Societal Gender - the gender expression and identity society and culture enforce upon the individual. Stereotypes included....
Gender Expression - Outward gender appearance...clothing, makeup...behavior...
Gender Identity - Self accepted idea of gender in conjunction with Gender Expression, independent of sexual gender.
Sexual Gender - The genetic and secondary sexual characteristics of the individual.

Many of the problems faced by transgender people today is a result of Western Societies imposition of binary gender stereotypes upon the individual starting at a very young age. There is a natural division of gender based on roles but we enforce and reward specific rules, regardless of the needs of the individual.


uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
8. Heh I know what the title feels like
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 01:28 AM
Dec 2011

but growing up in a small country town didn't present me with a lot of information or options. I have recently come to terms with it and have felt a lot better for it. Unfortunately, I'm too ill and I think it's too late to transition, so I've had to resign myself to living in a man's body.

There's worse fates in the world.

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