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jayschool

(180 posts)
Wed May 30, 2012, 08:52 AM May 2012

Kansas pastor (not named Phelps): Government should kill gays

It's spreading north from Topeka to Seneca, Kan.

Curtis Knapp, pastor of Seneca, Kansas' New Hope Baptist Church:

"Oh, so you're saying we should go out and start killing them? No, I'm saying the government should. They won't, but they should."

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/05/kansas-pastor-government-should-kill-gays.html

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Occulus

(20,599 posts)
6. I'm not going to make any friends by saying this, but...
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:10 PM
May 2012

...I think the "good" christians (I will never capitalize that word again) here on DU are wrong. I think the christian hatred toward GLBTs actually is the mainstream point of view, and those who don't feel that way about us are in a VANISHINGLY small minority.

The sad part is, I'm being proven more and more right every day.

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
7. Yup, even in blue states, GLBT employees are constantly hiding from employers and supervisors.
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:21 PM
May 2012

If someone comes out to co-workers/supervisors, then that individual is "in-your-face" about his/her orientation, and that's "rude".
If workers don't come out and are found out, then the glbt worker is "sneaky" and "untrustworthy".
No matter what, glbt workers are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
12. Interesting opinion. I really believe the very root of the problem
Thu May 31, 2012, 12:28 PM
May 2012

is illustrated in the excerpt of the essay sourced below. Misogyny and homophobia/transphobia are so deeply rooted in the collective consciousness of the religious dogma based general cultures of many societies. Those who believe in these dogmas often have a major short circuit in their cognitive processes when faced with a conflict between reason, logic. common sense, and reality, and their need to support and cling to the irrational beliefs of their instilled and/or chosen dogma.

They have a crippling fear of challenging the authority of those (usually people that profit on creating fear in individuals in order to perpetuate their sources of profit) who have told them that they must except what they have been told without question, or they will burn in hell forever. Often, they have had this idea repeatedly and consistently hammered into their consciousness since they were born. They may be afraid of uncertainty. They may be afraid of no longer belonging. They may be afraid of taking responsibility for their own thoughts and actions. They are afraid of the punishment of the omnipotent deity of their respective dogma, and his power to burn them in hell forever. Most often, it's all of the above.

But the most crippling fear of all is the fear of thinking for themselves. They believe what they have been told about what is "right", and are deathly afraid to challenge what they have been told is "right" and subsequently figuring out what is right for themselves.

Thinking is, literally, a mortal danger to their impostor identity. "I don't want to hear anymore! I believe in my bible, and that's all I believe."

It's a box. An authoritarian prison. There are some spiritual folks that actually understand the relevance of their respective scripture as it relates to higher understanding and consciousness. These folks are tolerant, self-actualized people who have some understanding of love, and how to manifest love. You can recognize these folks by what they do. And what they do does not ever include harboring, preaching, or manifesting ignorance and hatred.

The rest are hateful, bigoted religious people. Their belief system forbids them to think thoughts that are not written in their book, a book that they do not even have the faculties to comprehend, and that book is literally their god. They basically worship the respective book of dogma that they use to justify and maintain the comfort and security of their crippling, devastating fears...

...and the subsequent comfort and security of their hate.

This is why they hate women and LGBT persons.

This is why they murdered Christ.

Misogyny and Homophobia
by John McNeill

There was and continues to be a profound connection between misogyny and homophobia in our culture. Misogyny is defined as a fear and hatred of women. It manifests itself psychologically in the repression of everything in the psyche that is tradition- ally connected with the feminine. Among other things, this includes all emotions, feelings of compassion, all spiritual feelings, all dependency, and all need of community. In the future I would prefer to refer to misogyny with the word “feminaphobia.”

Over sixty years ago, G. Rattrey Taylor in his classic book Sex in History (New York: Vanguard Press 1954, Chap. 4, pp.72ff.) attempted to expose some of the culturally conditioned attitudes on sexuality. He found a universal phenomenon in cultures based on a patriarchal principle. These cultures with few exceptions tend to combine a strongly subordinationist view of women with a repression and horror of male homosexual practices. The institution in today’s culture which continues to hold on to the clearest expression of that form of patriarchy, including its homophobia, is the Roman Catholic Church.

In contrast, those cultures based on a matriarchal principle are inclined to combine an enhancement of the status of women with a relative tolerance for male homosexual practices. Taylor concludes that the tradition of the Christian West has been fundamentally based on patriarchal culture. This may help to explain certain striking anomalies from an ethical viewpoint in that tradition.

One of the most remarkable of these anomalies is the almost complete disregard of lesbianism in western Christian tradition. Although the Holiness code in the Old Testament, for example, explicitly condemns under penalty of death male homosexual practices and female bestiality, no mention is made of female lesbian practices. (This should not be surprising when we recall that King David had reputedly a harem of nearly a thousand women.) Apart from a disputed reference to unnatural female acts by Paul in Romans 1:26, there is no other reference to female lesbian activity in Scripture and scarcely any at all in all the other documents of Christian tradition.


"There's no such thing as security in this life, sweetheart; and the sooner you accept that fact, the better off you'll be. The person who strives for security will never be free. The person who believes that she's found security will never reach paradise. What she mistakes for security is purgatory. You know what purgatory is, Gwendolyn? It's the waiting room, it's the lobby. Not only does she have the wrong libretto, she's stuck in the lobby where she can't see the show."
---Tom Robbins
☮☮☮☮☮

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
14. You hit the nail on the head.
Thu May 31, 2012, 06:37 PM
May 2012
Thinking is, literally, a mortal danger to their impostor identity. "I don't want to hear anymore! I believe in my bible, and that's all I believe."


Expressing any notions of inclusion or even simply tolerance of what is hated will lead to ostracism amongst the majority of Christians, even mainstream denominations, in my experience. Now, the idea of being ostracized for all of time, and not be able to join the party in the afterlife with friends and family is a big incentive for never questioning dogma.

I've often wondered how Europeans are more open to accepting concepts like evolution, and why most Europeans aren't regular church goers. I think the Christian church's reign of terror is still fresh in the mind of Europeans, but also, signs of the pagan past are literally everywhere. There's little understanding of European/Middle Eastern history amongst most people, and it's easy to control people, who don't know much about history, with dogma.
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
9. More than scary, it reeks of desperation.
Thu May 31, 2012, 05:37 AM
May 2012

As one of many references, I cite the 1962 University of Mississippi riots.

When those who have a strong notion of "normal", and see those that don't fit that mold continually winning ground in destroying that notion, they will be come increasingly aggressive toward everything that represents the "abnormal" in an act of desperation to maintain their view of "normality".

While we have had setbacks in our advancement of civil rights, we've had far more successes than setbacks, the overall tide is continually moving more in our favor, and those like these churches, and organizations who hate us will only increase the venom they spew.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
10. for clarification, I want to expound on what I mean by "normal"
Thu May 31, 2012, 05:46 AM
May 2012

As I was re-reading my post, i realized that those who aren't familiar with some of my old posts on "normal" might misunderstand my meaning, and think I'm referring to LGBT's as not normal.

Well, actually I am. I also don't apologize for it. I really dislike that word. Never in the history of mankind has that word (or its translated versions) been used for any purpose other than to create groups that are targeted for hatred or ostracism. Personally, I'd make the word "normal" a hate word when used for anything that references people, or human traits/behaviors. To me the only acceptable use of the word is for non-humanist uses. For example, medical characteristics (like normal blood pressure).

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
15. I know that the successes are more.
Thu May 31, 2012, 06:40 PM
May 2012

For those unfortunate people who are unexpectedly caught in the backlash, my heart goes out to them. It's like the last soldier who dies prior to the peace treaty.

hlthe2b

(102,261 posts)
2. He's going from advocating to near solicitation of violence...
Wed May 30, 2012, 09:22 AM
May 2012

This level of hate speech that equates to inducement for violence should not escape under "free speech"... That guy ought to face repercussions for this--serious repercussions. (but I know he won't)

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
3. He sounds like a self-loather to me.
Wed May 30, 2012, 09:29 AM
May 2012

Or as Shakespeare noted long ago..."me thinks he doth protest too much."

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
8. They grow em dumb in Kansas I guess.
Wed May 30, 2012, 07:09 PM
May 2012

What uneducated and, perhaps more damning, unChristian these people are. Do they not realize that if their fantasy of the pearly gates happens, they will get a rocketship transport to hell for eternity?

These guys are usually unable to get it on with a woman or are sexually attracted to men and cannot deal with the rejection and affection. They are tormented individuals that are in need of help but I'm not contributing to their cause.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
11. These Christian-fundie a-holes are showing their true colors ever since Obama said he would...
Thu May 31, 2012, 08:09 AM
May 2012

...support same-sex marriage. Kind of like how all the racists popped out of the woodwork when the US government started de-segregating schools back in the 50's.

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
13. I just heard about this
Thu May 31, 2012, 05:05 PM
May 2012

and I am sorry that we seem to breed these people here.

The newspaper just called me for a statement.

Just so you know, Topeka can be pretty bad about a lot of things but they did beat back the Phelps ordinance. Remember that, the people voted on the side of equality.

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