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http://www.democraticunderground.com/125135670Had a post hidden because I rightfully call Obama a bigot.
pinto
(106,886 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)This is my response I just posted.
pinto
(106,886 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)President Obama is a bigot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=659496
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
bigoted hate speech
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Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Over the top
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: This is election season. I strongly disagree with Obama's view on gay marriage. But frankly this post is hyperbole. Not helpful.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Agree with alerter.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yeah, over the top to call him a bigot.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
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Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)because Obamas re-election is more important then equality and the whiny babies who want it.
I'm disgusted with DU today. I'm furious, heartbroken and left shaking my head.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)It's wrong, and I'm sure Obama the PERSON agrees, but in order to not alienate those who don't, he's got to straddle that noncommittal line.
I don't know why this is falling on Obama's shoulders anyway. He can't MAKE gay marriage legal -- it's being used as a political tool against him.
I don't think he's a bigot. I think he's telling us he's changed his mind (remember, initially he was against marriage but for civil unions?).
I'm hopeful that after the reelection, he'll come out in full support of gay marriage. Until then, he's got to do what it takes to win that election and keep Romney out of the White House.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Then what will come up.
No, Obama IS A BIGOT. he does not support equality for all Americans.
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)He needs to be saying "fuck you" to all of the people who don't support equality. I want a president who stands up for what is right instead of cowering to the backwards and intolerant folk among us.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)msongs
(67,405 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)always take that route.
gateley
(62,683 posts)the same at this point in the political cycle. That's what I was trying to say in my other post. Trying to be objective and pragmatic. Emotionally, I agree, but politics is politics, and it doesn't do us any good to pretend it's other than saying what needs to be said in order to get the vote.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)that I don't care passionately about how WRONG the current policy is. I do. It truly breaks my heart. But we need to get Obama back in the WH to move closer to that goal. It will never happen if Romney takes over, any more than DADT would have been repealed had McCain won.
My remarks weren't meant to be of comfort -- what could I possibly say that would comfort those who have been denied their rights? My remarks are an attempt to help us keep focused on attaining those equal rights, no matter what.
Thanks for the snark, though. Hope it made YOU feel better.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)They are lies that we tell ourselves to cover up a multitude of sins, omission and commission.
gateley
(62,683 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)They are excuses for not doing what you don't want to do because it's too HARD!!! *whine*
gateley
(62,683 posts)rather taking steps that may not be the ones I WANT, in order to achieve my goals in the end.
What I want to do is scream and rant at the injustices that are killing us as a people, but that's not going to accomplish anything. What I should do is take the steps that will ensure a good outcome and progress toward that end.
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)With Obama, we will only take one step back.
Not an encouraging choice, sadly.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)we need to rally behind and elect the one step candidate. But then we need to start finding and getting behind candidates who are going to start stepping forward. And if they start to step back, we need to get rid of them.
So the end result is we need to re-elect Obama, then pray that he starts acting like the "fierce advocate" he said he was four years ago.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)When folks say 'I support BUT' they don't support. That is the only assumption that is safe to make in a place filled with people who make false claims of their history of support only to build up their arguments for delay, delay, cowardice and hypocrisy.
So the standards of this community mean that self proclamation carries zero validity. Some of the 'pragmatic' DUers openly lie about their past history, and thus I do not trust that class of argument at all. Not at all. You could be lying, and if you were, DU would think that is groovy sauce. So the benefit of the doubt is no longer functional for the 'sensible pragmatic' arguments. I now assume that what anyone says prior to rationalizing delays of equality is not true and said only to construct a platform from which to argue that the time is not now, is never now, sure it is the right thing, but it is not 'pragmatic'.
I love that word Pragmatism when applied to the President who says he is the opposite of that, he says he is a faith based, God in the Mix, dogma over reason sort of guy. Now in the philosophy 'Pragmatism' nothing unseen is counted as true. There is no God unless you can prove there is one, there is no 'support' unless that support is active. 'Faith' and 'God in the mix' are utterly counter to Pragmatic philosophy, yet some on DU want to claim the President is both a Christian and a Pragmatist. Pragmatism is a heresy in Christian terms, they can not co-exist of alternate as one's guiding principle.
Oh well. The delay and rationalize people were always wrong, now they are wrong and lacking in any rhetorical protection. I simply do not believe anything said by anyone who makes such arguments. One of the folks like that told me 'I have supported equality for decades' when the fact was in 2005 he was writing hate filled and ignorant propaganda against gay people all over the internet. I assume all who waver and excuse and split political hairs are as likely spouting falsehoods as they are telling the truth.
So 'I support you but' folks need a new fucking rap to repeat. I'm done with it, and done with anyone who starts making personal claims prior to stating personal qualms. It walks like a duck, it is a duck, and that is now that.
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dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Why can't Obama take the lead on Civil Rights?
What deeds?
My life as a gay man has not changed ONE BIT under Obama.
I still can get fired. I still can't get married.
EC
(12,287 posts)has changed. Sure not fast enough, but I know damn well if the repubs win, I'll be scared for my daughters future. I shouldn't have to name the deeds to you, I'm sure you've been paying attention at the wins we did manage to get so far.
And just because it shouldn't be an either/or, doesn't change the fact that in some states it does matter.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Did Obama go out and campaign for equality in her state?
Or against it like he did in CA?
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)He said he would vote for Obama. But he is still allowed to complain.
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TriMera
(1,375 posts)but I wouldn't recommend it. Just a reminder: this is a safe haven group. We don't need people coming in here to accuse us of wanting to elect Romney.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)William769
(55,146 posts)Have a nice day.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Creideiki
(2,567 posts)Why, if I were an employee of the State Department, and I were sent overseas, the State Department wouldn't try to separate out which of our household possessions are actually mine and which are my husbands.
Oh, and if I were an employee of the State Department, and I needed to be evacuated, the State Department would also be so mighty generous and also evacuate my husband.
Unfortunately, I work for a different agency. So I'm screwed.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)Senator Barack Obama of Illinois. He ran for the 2008 nomination.
How we got the guy in the White House now is any guess.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I will not tell you where I think you should go or what you should do when you get there.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Click on the box - About This Group. Scroll down for the list.
Others will likely be added soon.
Creideiki
(2,567 posts)And then it's only 2 years until the next one! Can't call him out then.
Oh, and then only 2 years until the next one! Can't call him out then, either. Who cares if he's going to be running. (Maybe by the time he's done running for office, he'll have "evolved", but I'll let any random Michael Jordan fan hold her breath until that happens.) Other Democrats will be running and not hating gays enough will keep the people from voting for Democrats who wouldn't vote for Democrats, anyway.
Oh, and then only 2 years until the next MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVAR!!!!!
Oh, and then only 2 years until ONLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIMES!!!!!11!!!!
Oh, and then there's another election coming up in ONLY 2 YEARS? IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO ASK FOR EQUALITY NOW!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!11!ONE!!!!ELEVEN!!!!
*sarcasm*
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)There's always an election coming up. And the most important ones are the presidential years except for the off year elections which are of importance #1. Don't rock the boat or you'll get President Bachmann!!! Or Perry, or Cain, or Gingrich, or Santorum.... or... somebody.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)please don't try not to get your self TOS'd -- we know and share your feelings but just try to ignore or what ever is said around here.
DU can be difficult because too many feel like the prez -- and that's pretty frustrating.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)It is hard to imagine DU changing for the better
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Issues they aren't going to change.
But this is an easy site to use and we get to talk to each other.
I wouldn't have had the pleasure of meeting a lot of great gay folk were it not for this place.
The soft homophobia is hard core here - and it isn't going to change.
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)That person would be banned almost immediately but LGBT DUers are supposed to keep quiet as our president refuses to do what is right and treats us like second class Americans.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)I was thinking earlier today that maybe we should just bring in The List and pin it at the top of our group.
That way the fluffers won't need to worry about "bringing" it to us. The only problem is that it will need to open like a scroll.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)I haven't seen it in a while. Except for that lovely rainbow, yellow-brick road one the Obama Campaign put out.... suitable for framing.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)this is a serious post. You actually think you would be better off under romney?
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Could you imagine his reaction if someone told him that he or his parents could not get married? His lack of support for equality is a disgrace for our party.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)rooted in less than constant Democratic voting. That is, none of the Democrats I know are surprised that we compromise in voting many times in a political life. My Democratic father gave me a clothes pin for my first election day, he said a Democrat will often need one to endure voting for a candidate with whom we have large disagreements, or in my father's time, candidates who were replacements for the fallen. My Dad was for RFK. Held his nose to vote for Humphrey, who was not RFK. He was however, the Democratic nominee.
So when I hear that 'do you want the Republican' argument, I assume it comes from those who at some junctures do want the Republican, or that they often skip voting entirely. If they think voters need to be filled with songs of praise in order to cast a vote, they can not have much experience as a Democrat. If they think others might not vote or actually vote GOP, that is a window into their own thinking. It means that when they were not totally pleased with a candidate's policy, they did not vote for that candidate, perhaps they went for another or stayed home.
In my world, missing an election is crazy talk, and once that ballot is in my hands, the Democratic candidates, all of them, are the only choice I can make. And that's the other part of this 'would Romney do better' argument about election rhetoric. We all have more than one Democratic candidate to support. It is not just Obama. So some progressives live in places where the Dogs are Blue and thus they compromise. I assume that some 'moderates' or conservative Democrats feel the same way when our candidate of choice is 'too liberal' for them. I assume they are used to casting the vote for the candidate we as a Party nominated while kvetching and attempting to cajole the candidate into more acceptable positions. How could anyone be a consistent Democratic voter and NOT understand the idea of supporting a candidate while opposing some of his policies? I mean anyone, from any part of the spectrum? I can't see it.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)I am reading that you are beyond pissed,and had more then enough of the bullshit of bigots. But Pres. Obama is not a bigot. He is trying to be reelected,if that means he has to keep his mouth shut about this,then he will.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)I know he is better than Rmoney.
But supporting equality should not be a political calculation.
We are continually told - just keep quiet - when we win, we will make it all better. And then nothing changes.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)I really do,keeping quiet,be nice,all of it. But it's getting closer and closer to being better. The majority of America is for gay marriage now. Sorry for offending you.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)Things are not as great as some would like to believe. Please allow those us who are the victims of these bigoted laws to express our opinions about how it feels to live under bigotry.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)anyone,plus I have seen polls which said the majority of people are fine with gay marriage. Plus in the red area I live in the older people who I hear talk about it are changing their stance on this. And as far as the younger people,most have the opinion of-"wtf is peoples problem with this?" and THEY are the ones that will be running things soon.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)The sensitive thing to do would be to read quietly and stop arguing with us. Thanks.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)The Poster said he would probably vote for him. The OP, like everyone, is entitled to a bitch ticket regarding the behavior of Democrats.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)'He's not a bigot, he just needs cheap labor to make money'. Unless you accept that all humans hold the right to do wrong to others for their own advancement, your argument is more damning than redeeming of the President's actions. 'not a bigot, just want my kids in good schools'. 'Not a bigot, just a plantation owner trying to compete'.
Is there ANY bigoted action you'd not accept merely because it helped the person taking the bigoted action? How many bigoted actions does it take to make a bigot, or is no one a bigot if they offer a 'reason' for their bigoted actions and words?
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Pretty sure I'm not a bigot,but say and think what you will,I will continue to want the freedom for all to get married,or any kind of civil right progress. And I will always defend anyone struggling for their rights.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)It's like me asking you if you would rather I slap you in the face or cut off one of your hands. The slap would be painful and humiliating, but a hell of a lot better than the amputation. Obama needs to do everything he can to avoid having a true bigot in the White House -- one who believes that God hates gays and the government should be as negative as possible to that portion of our population.
Calling Obama a bigot is at best an over-reaction and at worst radically counter-productive.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)You have created a straw dog. It is offensive. Please delete.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)demanding and fighting for equal rights isn't either. Calling a progressive Democratic President a bigot is.
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)When asked about Prop 8, he said that marriage is "between a man and a woman" and that he is "not in favor of gay marriage" then invited one of the architects of Prop 8 to give the invocation at his inauguration.
Since then, he has never retracted or apologized for those remarks and the official word is that his position is "evolving" yet when members of his administration publicly endorse equality under the law, he still refuses to allow himself to be categorized as supporting marriage equality.
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Is it okay to point it out when he screws up? Or perhaps we should sit down and STFU so we don't hurt his campaign?
demosincebirth
(12,536 posts)DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)Counter-productive in effect.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)"one who believes that God hates gays and the government should be as negative as possible to that portion of our population"
I don't believe that Romney has that belief at all. He's doing what he has to to pander to his Republican voters.
One of our guys, I forget who it was, said that he was against same-sex marriage because "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian
it is also a sacred union. Gods in the mix."
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)called him 'America's Minister'. This clip is Warren during the interim between his selection by Obama and the actual event.
Obama tries to tell all Americans we have some relationship with this hateful huckster. Obama has a relationship with him, they share stages and dogmas and prejudices.....
And the actions of some Republican do not mitigate nor should they define the actions of a Democratic President on any issue. A
man's words and actions are his own. President or not.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)This isn't about Obama vs. Romney. It's about how Obama is playing politics with the rights of GLBT people. It has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with Mitt Romney.
Better under Romney? No. Better under Ru Paul? Yeah! See how much sense that makes?
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Better explain.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Everytime one of you says something like that I want to hurl my glass against a wall.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)One of who? and which post are you responding to?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I think I was pretty damn clear.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)I am shocked by your anger. Go find another to fight with. bye--
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Off to ignore you go with the rest of your little "enjoy president romney" buddies.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)I think President Obama is a war monger for not yanking our troops our of Iraq and Afghanistan on day one of his Presidency. I do - I believe they are his wars now. But I'm still going to vote for him.
patrice
(47,992 posts)in order to deliver an absolute judgement on someone else?
qb
(5,924 posts)Definition of BIGOT (www.merriam-webster.com):
a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices;
The word does carry an emotional punch, but DU does not need to be that thin-skinned.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)You're fine. Unless - did someone send you a PM about it or something?
I had a post hidden. It happens. I understand that some posts are going to be hidden, but I wouldn't retract those comments. I would maybe apologize to the person to whom they were directed, but they were my honest opinion, and to retract them later, would be tantamount to lying, IMO.
demosincebirth
(12,536 posts)TriMera
(1,375 posts)Do you think that is an appropriate response to people looking for equal rights? You may want to consider which group you are posting in.
William769
(55,146 posts)But please remember when you visit our group, posts like that are not acceptable. This is our small corner of DU and there are many other places on DU you can post that, but not here.
If you have nothing nice or constructive to say, it's best you leave it at the front door while in this group.
William769
qb
(5,924 posts)Marriage equality is definitely attainable. Read the news.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Bigots who believe they are correct will embrace the criticism, affirm it as truth. Bigots who know they're wrong are the first to take offense at being called on their bigotry and deny or excuse it as pragmatism.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)I think the WH is reading LGBT on DU.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)and probably the rest of the week. Otherwise I'll end up banned again......