'If UN Recognizes Palestine, Israel Must Annex in Judea-Samaria'

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/189177#.VKDa2Z0OAs

Likud Central Committee chairman Danny Danon, who is challenging Binyamin Netanyahu for leadership of the party, on Saturday night called on Israel to respond to an expected UN recognition of the Palestinian Authority (PA) as the "state of Palestine" by declaring sovereignty in Judea and Samaria.

"We must clarify in the clearest terms to the world that every unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state will bring Israeli sovereignty," declared Danon in a meeting with Likud activists in Judea's Gush Etzion region.

Prime among the attendants at the meeting were Kiryat Arba Regional Council head Malakhi Levinger and Deputy Gush Etzion Regional Council head Moshe Savil.
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Erekat announced last Friday that the UN will likely vote on Monday on a unilateral PA resolution, which demands recognition, Israeli withdrawals from eastern Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria by 2017, and prior to that a 12-month deadline for wrapping up negotiations on a final settlement.

"Declaring sovereignty" sounds so much nicer than stealing land that does not belong to one, now doesn't it?

[King_David]

1. Arutz Sheva is a settler extreme right wing publication that has no place on DU

Please delete.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. Is it a banned publication, dave?

[King_David]

3. I think so,

Same with Mondoweiss, 2 publications that should have no place in a site like DU.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. So your answer is really no. Isn't it?

I checked the I/P pin discussion. There is no mention of AS being banned, and I have seen other use it a as a news source.

Is there something that Danny Dannon said that bothers you so?

[Scootaloo]

4. Yet it's sourced by some of your friends without a peep from you

I guess it depends on if it exposes your ideology or not, huh?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. Dave is having a bad night.

Visions of Alex Kane, reading comprehension, impressions that I am a hopeful ruler of the Gazans.

Check out this thread for the comedy of it all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=91141

[King_David]

8. "Friends " ?

This is an Internet forum.

[on point]

7. Then time for a single state, secular solution that transcends Israel and Palestine

[Israeli]

9. Naftali Bennett’s annexation plan: A report card..........

Before he was Minister of the Economy, Naftali Bennett was a Knesset hopeful whose plan to annex the majority of the West Bank shook the political establishment. Two years later, it’s worth seeing just how much he has gotten done.

Source: http://972mag.com/naftali-bennetts-annexation-plan-a-report-card/100498/

[sabbat hunter]

10. If the must annex

"Judea and Samaria" then they also MUST grant citizenship to all who live there. No second class 'residents' or other verbiage.

Note: I do not support Israel annexing 'Judea and Samaria'. Instead I think that they need to withdraw (unilaterally if need be) from the WB with the exception of the city of Jerusalem, which was never intended to be a part of Palestine under any partition agreement.

[azurnoir]

11. East Jerusalem was never intended to be part of Israel either under any partition plan

and Israeli's murdered the UN mediator Folke Bernadotte who was developing a plan for Jerusalem, later one of the murderers Yitzhak Shamir was elevated to position of PM of Israel

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. Oh, Israel just loves it's own terrorists

and murderers while complaining about other terrorist groups.

[sabbat hunter]

14. true

it was supposed to be an international city under UN auspices. But the UN long ago abroggatted that duty, when the failed to lift a finger to defend it against Jordan's invasion or do do anything against Jordan while Jordan controlled it (or even when Jordan annexed it).

By the UN failing in their duty, the city falls to who controls it, which is Israel.

It would be difficult, if not impossible to have controlled border crossings within the old city if you were to try and divide it.

[azurnoir]

15. the UN failed in its duty? the UN mediator was murdered by Israeli's

and now you claim what that Israel has a right to Jerusalem?

[sabbat hunter]

17. Yes the UN failed

did they send any troops to defend Jerusalem against Jordanian aggression? Did the lift one finger to free it between 1948 and 67. The answer is no. It is tragic that the man was killed, but that does not relieve the UN of its duty.

[azurnoir]

20. Not according to the armistice agreement signed with Jordan 4/3/49 which gave Jordan EJ

With Jordan


The agreement with Jordan was signed on 3 April 1949. The main points:

No provision of this Agreement shall in any way prejudice the rights, claims and positions of either Party hereto in the ultimate peaceful settlement of the Palestine question, the provisions of this Agreement being dictated exclusively by military considerations.
Jordanian forces remained in most positions held by them in the West Bank, particularly East Jerusalem which included the Old City.
Jordan withdrew its forces from their front posts overlooking the Plain of Sharon. In return, Israel agreed to allow Jordanian forces to take over positions in the West Bank previously held by Iraqi forces.
Exchange of territorial control: Israel received control in the area known as Wadi Ara and the Little Triangle in exchange for territory in the southern hills of Hebron.

This page was last modified on 1 October 2014 at 01:48.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Armistice_Agreements#With_Jordan

[sabbat hunter]

24. and not much later

Jordan annexed the entire WB and Jerusalem. However in the 1980's they declared that annexation, and any claims to the WB and jerusalem null and void.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

12. If the WB were annexed, a truly stupid idea,

I doubt very much that any Palestinian would be given citizenship... or would really want to accept it.

[Just for Fun]

16. You still haven't answered my question.....

Please provide historical map of Palestine, before the 20th century.

Go ahead... I'm still waiting...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

18. Oh, I answered your fail, and served it to you on toast.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=91254


But keep on denying it please. I love a bad comedy.

[shira]

21. Your map refers to the territory of Palestine, not a sovereign state....

Historic Palestine never had a Palestinian leader prior to Arafat, nor a Capital.

There was no distinct Palestinian culture, no Palestinian currency, no Palestinian language, or religion.

In fact, a century ago the Jews of that area were commonly referred to as Palestinians. The Arabs and Muslims of that area never saw themselves as part of any distinct Palestinian nation with its own culture, leaders, capital, etc..

Yet ANOTHER narrative buster for you.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

22. "Please provide proof that Palestine existed prior to the 20th century."

I provided proof, shira, but please be my guest and scream about it all you want.

The poster whose query I answered should have done some basic research. Having a cogent argument would have helped as well.

Their fail, and more slapstick from you as well.

[shira]

23. Yeah, proof that Palestine existed as a sovereign state or nation prior...

...to the 20th century.

That was really the question and you know it.

All you have in return are juvenille smilies, deflection, and mockery. A sure sign you have nothing substantive in response other than unhinged desperation.

As usual.

Narrative Buster for you.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for you as well.

I answered the query with proof, shira, and now your Ozymandian goal posts are dragged out: groaning under their own embarrassing weight.

[shira]

26. Aww, how disappointing. Another juvenille response, more smilies.

Back at you...

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This seems to be more your speed when it comes to discussing issues way out of your depth.

[sabbat hunter]

27. It is true

that there was never an independent state of Palestine, but there was an area (a mandate, or a province depending on the time period) know as either Palestine or Syria-Palestina (which is why Syria has claimed that all of Israel and Palestine belongs to it, along with Lebanon). But there also was never an independent state of Kurdistan, that does not mean there are not Kurdish people.

That being said, since neither existed as an independent nation, nor are the borders of either everlasting, having changed over the years depending on who ruled, borders that crossed over different countries, etc, permanent boundaries of each need to be negotiated.

IMHO all of the WB, with the exception of the old city of Jerusalem, should go to Palestine, and Israel should withdraw (unilaterally if need be) and its citizens should leave with them. Yes there were Jews living in the WB area prior to 1948, but they left/were expelled. Just like some Palestinians in what is now Israel did. If there were any Jews in the WB after 1948 but before 1967, and stayed there to the current day, they should be allowed to stay, just like any Arabs who were in Israel after 1948 stayed and became citizens of Israel.

[shira]

28. The Kurds have had a distinct culture and history going back a long time...

The Palestinians do not, and that's a major difference as the Jews of that area were known as the Palestinians just a century ago.

That's not to say I'm against a peaceful 2 state solution. I'm totally in favor of it based on the '67 lines if it means real peace.

[grossproffit]

19. I hope you're not holding your breath. eom.