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Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:53 PM

Analysis: Israel Left Wing Sees Jewish State's End

By DAN PERRY
Associated Press

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) - An apocalyptic tone has crept into Israel's hitherto muted election season, with opposition leaders and others sounding increasingly desperate warnings that a few more years of rule by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's heavily favored right wing might well destroy the Jewish state.

The idea is that by holding onto the lands Palestinians want for their state - and continuing to settle them with Jews - the Israeli right is marching blindly toward a future in which Arabs could outnumber Jews in the country and ultimately take over.

Perhaps the most strident proponent of this message is former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who four years ago led peace talks with the Palestinians and recently founded a new party whose primary message is that the Zionist project is in danger. "Netanyahu is leading us toward the end of the Jewish state," she said in a statement Friday. "Israelis must choose between extremism and Zionism. Israel is in great danger and everyone must wake up now."

Outgoing opposition leader Shaul Mofaz, a former military chief and defense minister, warns at campaign appearances that Arabs will soon outnumber Jews in the Holy Land and the main strategic priority must be to partition the land to prevent the emergence of a "binational state." Leaders of the main center-left Labor Party say much the same.

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Reply Analysis: Israel Left Wing Sees Jewish State's End (Original post)
Purveyor Jan 2013 OP
Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #1
oberliner Jan 2013 #2
Mosby Jan 2013 #8
oberliner Jan 2013 #10
Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #12
bemildred Jan 2013 #3
Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #4
bemildred Jan 2013 #5
Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #11
R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #7
LeftishBrit Jan 2013 #6
LeftishBrit Jan 2013 #9

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:19 PM

1. I had my post jury censored for stating this very obvious thing.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 07:57 AM

2. Perhaps it was the wording?

Can you recall?

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Response to Mosby (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:27 PM

10. That clarifies the matter

Bizarre that the poster would think that post was saying the same thing as the OP in this thread.

Even stranger that they would be surprised to have that post hidden.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:22 PM

12. I was saying the same thing. Demographics are not behind them.

The end result will be the same.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 08:40 AM

3. It's a touchy subject.

One the one hand, you are not allowed to question Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. That is a firm no-no.

So if you want to argue the improbability of Israel's future existence as a Jewish state, in whatever form, you have to be careful to make clear that you are not questioning its right to exist, merely arguing about whether that is inevitable or unlikely, etc.

And as you will have noted by now, people do get emotional over the issue.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:30 PM

4. True...as a bystander...my view is they will keep their heads in the sand till its to late.

The we will see a huge amount of bloodshed. Over something they could have fixed twenty years ago.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:35 PM

5. I find it difficult to be optimistic. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:20 PM

11. I agree, I see no real way out as long as the right wingers hold power there

in the end it will make the fall of Saigon look like a walk in the park for Israel. it will be very bloody.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:05 PM

7. Let's hope to no bloodshed. It would be exceptional if Israel actually


saw the writing on the wall and was a welcoming party to a Palestinian state without preconditions or withholding land not belonging to them.

The right wingers, apparently in any country you want to point out, really don't understand how not to create a dystopian society.

Thankfully the US dodged the bullet with their voting in PBO again while sending the crazy teabaggers and Romney off to obscurity.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:01 PM

6. I don't think anyone would be censored for saying that Israel's continuation as a democratic Jewish

state is under threat.

One might be censored for saying that it should not continue as such. Of course, as censorship is done by juries, there can be misunderstandings at time.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:10 PM

9. They are right

If a two-state solution is not sorted out, there will be a one-state non-solution.

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