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[geek tragedy]

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[oberliner]

1. Racist Dutch Soccer Fans Throw Inflatable Banana At Black Player

Feyenoord fans continue to expose themselves as douche bags of the highest order. First it was trashing Rome before the first leg of their Europa League tie against Roma, then it was threatening further shenanigans ahead of the return leg, and now they've gone ahead and gotten racist.

http://screamer.deadspin.com/racist-dutch-soccer-fans-throw-inflatable-banana-at-bla-1688283860

'We're Racist' Soccer Fans Chant After Pushing Black Man Out Of Paris Metro

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/02/18/387300136/were-racist-soccer-fans-chant-after-pushing-black-man-out-of-paris-metro

Fan Yells Monkey Noises At Black Soccer Player, But Only The Player Gets Kicked Out

Ghanaian midfielder Emmanuel Frimpong was kicked out of the opening match of the Russian Premier League season on Friday after shouting back at fans in Moscow who were chanting monkey noises at him. The incident calls attention back to players’ threats to boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia — already stained by corruption charges against FIFA — unless the country starts to rein in its virulently racist fan culture.

http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2015/07/18/3682113/russia-racism-frimpong-red-card-monkey-chants/

Racism at Italian Soccer Matches

There are Italian fans who racially taunt their own team's players. When one team brought in a black substitute, its fans chanted, "We don't want the Negro."

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130886

[geek tragedy]

2. I'm sorry, did 'liberal' Dutch publications publish articles cheering on

their racist, ultrathuggish and violent fans because of tribal loyalties, celebrating violence and terrorism because it was their tribe committing the crime?

Beitar Jerusalem and its Lehava-marching goon fans should be banned from international competition.

And Tablet Mag can safely take its place aside Arutz Sheva, Israel National News, jewishpress.com, and The Weekly Standard.

Even the Murdoch Post doesn't post this kind of swill.


Note that the author, Liel Liebowitz, used to be a liberal who abhorred racism and human rights abuses (even writing for The Nation)

http://www.thenation.com/article/morality-play/


before he was corrupted by a failed ideology into becoming the frothing wingnut who openly celebrates racist thuggery and considers Palestinians to be subhuman.

He's kind of a small-bore example of what happened to Israel itself. Note that he wrote this love-letter to Beitar Jerusalem thuggery AFTER he explicitly blamed them for the death of Mohammad Khdeir.

People like this are the 'liberals' you speak of in Israel?

[shira]

4. The author of the OP calls the Jews who did this savage, animals...

Anyone thinking clearly knows that isn't a celebration of violence and terrorism.

[oberliner]

5. Tablet is an American magazine

It's not an Israeli source.

[geek tragedy]

7. The author is Israeli.

The Weekly Standard isn't Israeli either--not all pro-Israel/right wing magazines are Israeli.

Anyhow, are there any leftwing pro-Israel publications?

[oberliner]

8. The author is American

He immigrated to the US in 1999 and currently teaches at NYU.

I wouldn't turn to The Weekly Standard to get the Israeli liberal Jewish perspective on things - nor would I turn to Tablet magazine. Both are US sources and neither is liberal.

Probably Ha'aretz would be your best source for news and op-eds from an Israeli liberal Jewish perspective.

Still trying to figure out why you posted this article from July.

[geek tragedy]

9. He describess himself as Israeli, not American.

http://www.lielleibovitz.com/about.html

liel liebovitz - author of aliya



photo credit: michael datikash
click for high resolution image
a ninth generation israeli, liel was born in tel aviv and immigrated to the united states in 1999. he is a graduate of the columbia university school of journalism, a lieutenant (res.) in the israeli army, and the culture editor for the jewish week. he is currently completing his doctoral dissertation in communications at columbia, focusing on the ontology of video games. his first book, "aliya: three generations of american-jewish immigration to israel," was published by st. martin's press in 2006. he lives in new york city with his wife, lisa ann sandell, and their puppy, molly dog leibovitz.

I know there are liberal-left Israeli publications. Question was whether there are any U.S. publications that are both liberal/progressive and strongly pro-Israel. I can't think of any.

[shira]

3. The values that Zionism promotes? Get real.

Good luck finding even 1% of Jewish Zionists supporting the hooligans in Belgium.

That's not Zionism for 98% of Jews.

[oberliner]

6. Also wondering why this article from July is being posted now

Generally people only post recent articles in I/P.

In fact, there used to be a rule to that effect.

[King_David]

10. This article is from July

Which is against IP rules, if you think they apply to you too....

[geek tragedy]

11. Ah, had never really noticed that rule

Will self-delete.