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Related: About this forumErdogan: 'Liberate Jerusalem' from the Jews
Turkish President continues trend of drawing parallels to historic Muslim conquerers as elections spell losses for AK Party.
Eldad Beck, Berlin
Published: 06.01.15, 11:04 / Israel News
Just one week before upcoming parliamentary elections in Turkey, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and officials in his Justice and Development Party (AK Party) found a unique way to try and secure a victory at the polls by calling for the "liberation" of Jerusalem.
Erdoğan drew a straight historical line between the capture of Jerusalem from the crusaders by Saladin and the capture of Constantinople to the elections in Turkey due to take place next week. Although state employees were required to send a delegation to the celebration, under the threat of punishment, local media reported that many partakers left during the President's speech.
Attempts by Erdoğan and his allies to find political support by linking Jerusalem and Islam have formed a clear and solid trend in Turkey. Only a few days ago, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu dedicated a new airport in the south of the country, naming it after Saladin. According to Davutoğlu, "It's a name that says to the Kurds, to Turkey, and to the Arabs, yes, this is our leader.
"It's a symbol that unites us," he continued. "All those who claim that Jerusalem is the Jew's holy city should be ashamed. We chose the name Saladin in order to send a message with the help of Allah that Jerusalem will always belong to the Kurds, to Turkey, to Arabs, to Muslims."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4663579,00.html
King_David
(14,851 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)I suppose that's why they don't get along, there can be only one center of attention.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And neither knows when it's time to leave.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)law.
King_David
(14,851 posts)It is still up for negotiation and will need to be finalized .
It will be a sticking point for sure.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If you have a citation for that, please do share.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in fact he did not say what the article claims either, that's an extrapolation at best
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Is that not who was quoted in the article?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Better get over to Wikipedia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Turkey
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)something which could call the veracity of the entire piece into question
King_David
(14,851 posts)That's not how it works.
The article is accurate.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and maybe even appealing to some
King_David
(14,851 posts)Thats is pretty clear.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)That is just silly.
It is pretty clear.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I did however 'accidentally confuse' PM with President
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"... Jerusalem will always belong to the Kurds, to Turkey, to Arabs, to Muslims"
Is that quote fabricated?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)quote is it? Nor is what the ... represents
Watching you pedantically complain about the title of the OP (several times in fact) rather than acknowledge the POINT of the OP - that Erdogan is an anti-semitic piece of shit who doesn't think Jews belong in Jerusalem - a city that is mentioned in the Jewish bible over 800 times - really makes your argument look very small and petty Now don't forget to hit the alert..
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)for it self, notice I can argue for 10's of posts and never feel the need to name call and insult perhaps some are unable to do much of anything else
King_David
(14,851 posts)Every post about the headline was attempting to whitewash what Erdogan clearly said.
I don't think her post was alertable nor a personal attack either.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or I guess it does when you haven't got much else to refute the 'inaccuracy' , but I never defended Erdogan, nor did I condemn him either or discuss anything else save the click bait title but others down thread have discussed Jerusalem and have done quite well in showing how it is militarily occupied, it no more belongs to Israel than it does any other country at the moment
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)haven't seen fit to condemn his ACTUAL words. How pathetically predictable.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Erdogan words were no different than those of any other politician who claims East Jerusalem for their country, however actual physical actions to make that a reality are condemnable under the circumstances
King_David
(14,851 posts)Another tangent to move the story away from what Leftnyc was saying ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)And how some poster believed the Headline was inaccurate and nullified everything.
And when other posters pointed out how silly that was now your changing the subject?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I added to what I had previously said or don't you feel that should be allowed
King_David
(14,851 posts)But nobody bit.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)someone bit and got quite defensive and accusatory too
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Remember, 1967 was not the first year of occupation.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Why stop at Jerusalem?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And the fact that the 1949 armistice line specifically does not alter borders.
Repeatedly.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)During their reign over the city, they expelled all the Jewish residents, destroyed the synagogues, and allowed no access to Jews to any of the holy sites (including the Jewish Quarter of the Old City).
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)joining Israel or Palestine, how would that vote go?
aranthus
(3,385 posts)Is it your position that the Partition Resolution (UNGAR 181) established legally binding borders?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)That's a legal document, recognized by the United Nations.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)only legal authority that considered the conflict. Who else throughout this monstrosity
of an occupation has been able to advocate for them? True, before that they have had in the
past the Question of Palestine UN resolution, which we both know was always blocked
by moi..I think we would agree, we know why the US is not and has not ever been an
honest broker. Not that the ruling ever brought the Palestinians their viable state, and
again, we know what prevents that. Nevertheless, it was a ruling Israel and the US did
not want the court to hear, as they knew damn well how it would turn out. Until the
Arab Initiative changed the wording under Kerry's request, there were no land swaps
as they are defined now...which is an injustice.
With that said, what else would there be to persuade the international community
to consider all of Jerusalem occupied? I have no confidence left in whatever the
hell the international community is and or does anymore, btw...sell outs, most of
them.
King_David
(14,851 posts)But that doesn't make it true.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It predates the concept of nation-states, even.
Israel's occupation of Palestine is completely modern, however.
So, nice try with the red herring Dave.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Completely accurate.
Your explanation not only does not hold,it does not make sense either
Exact same situations...EXACT SAME SITUATIONS !
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)In the eleventh through fifteenth centuries, sure, you could charge through laying about with your sword and spear and claim the territory behind your line as yours.
It doesn't work that way anymore, and it hasn't worked that way for a long time.
Jerusalem falls outside of Israel's declared borders. Thus, it is not part of Israel. Thus, Israel's authority over the city is that of an occupying foreign power, not a sovereign ruling government.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)That example is only a few years older than the ones you are talking about.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The territorial disputes between Germany and Poland were settled in 1990 via treaty. germany ceded territorial claims on Poland, including any dispute over East Prussia
You guys are going to have to start writing these answers down, it'd save Du some bandwidth.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Same thing .
Cherry Chapstick is sold in Jerusalem but not in Andalusia... And you know what? That doesn't make the comparasin different either.
All that other stuff you wrote is not relevant at all .
You don't get to decide what makes something relevant or not.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Anyone want to have a go at a translation?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Whoever translates it.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I would think that is what most people would want. A shared capital for both states and both peoples. I know the position of the US and the European Union is that the city should not be divided.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Just the kind of rhetoric this region needs.
And to think Turkey was once considered for membership in the EU. They dodged a bullet with that one.