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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:37 AM Feb 2015

The Siberian crater saga is more widespread — and scarier — than anyone thought

The Siberian crater saga is more widespread — and scarier — than anyone thought

Morning Mix
By Terrence McCoy February 26 at 5:58 AM
@terrence_mccoy



A member of an expedition group at the edge of a newly formed crater on the Yamal Peninsula in northern Siberia on Nov. 9, 2014. (Vladimir Pushkarev/Russian Centre of Arctic Exploration via Reuters)

In the middle of last summer came news of a bizarre occurrence no one could explain. Seemingly out of nowhere, a massive crater appeared in one of the planet’s most inhospitable lands. Early estimates said the crater, nestled in a land called “the ends of the Earth” where temperatures can sink far below zero, yawned nearly 100 feet in diameter.

The saga deepened. The Siberian crater wasn’t alone. There were two more, ratcheting up the tension in a drama that hit its climax as a probable explanation surfaced. Global warming had thawed the permafrost, which had caused methane trapped inside the icy ground to explode. “Gas pressure increased until it was high enough to push away the overlaying layers in a powerful injection, forming the crater,” one German scientist said at the time.

{Scientists may have cracked the giant Siberian crater mystery — and the news isn’t good}

Now, however, researchers fear there are more craters than anyone knew — and the repercussions could be huge. Russian scientists have now spotted a total of seven craters, five of which are in the Yamal Peninsula. Two of those holes have since turned into lakes. And one giant crater is rimmed by a ring of at least 20 mini-craters, the Siberian Times reported. Dozens more Siberian craters are likely still out there, said Moscow scientist Vasily Bogoyavlensky of the Oil and Gas Research Institute, calling for an “urgent” investigation.

He fears that if temperatures continue to rise — and they were five degrees higher than average in 2012 and 2013 — more craters will emerge in an area awash in gas fields vital to the national economy. “It is important not to scare people, but to understand that it is a very serious problem and we must research this,” he told the Siberian Times. “… We must research this phenomenon urgently, to prevent possible disasters.”
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The Siberian crater saga is more widespread — and scarier — than anyone thought (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 OP
If this unfolds as it might, the state of the Russian "gas economy" will be the least of our worries GliderGuider Feb 2015 #1
Maybe somebody will try to light one of these farts central scrutinizer Feb 2015 #2
Someone did...more than 40 years ago. Lochloosa Feb 2015 #4
They should fill it with marshmallow and chocolate, and then pave over it with graham crackers. eggplant Feb 2015 #6
Is anyone looking at Alaska and Canada? Could be much broader nt bigbrother05 Feb 2015 #3
NOAA and our University of Alaska - raven mad Feb 2015 #19
Rather ironic. Scruffy Rumbler Feb 2015 #5
There is enough methane sequestered in the Siberian permafrost Warpy Feb 2015 #15
I'll be selfish and hope it doesn't happen in my life time. Scruffy Rumbler Feb 2015 #20
Florida libodem Feb 2015 #7
Kansas has a sinkhole problem, as well... KansDem Feb 2015 #9
Florida has had that problem for decades obxhead Feb 2015 #11
Must be the limestone libodem Feb 2015 #18
Oh, yeah. We're just gonna research the BEJEEZUS out of this! Systematic Chaos Feb 2015 #8
The melting of the permafrost is going to turn our planet into a soggy, iceless hellscape. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #10
See, here's the thing about the "intelligent design" crazies.. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #12
I really hope reincarnation is not true! Helen Borg Feb 2015 #13
More frightening pictures at this link PADemD Feb 2015 #14
The human fingerprint tomsaiditagain Feb 2015 #16
I wonder if they would tell us if there were any in Alaska and nothern Canada? jwirr Feb 2015 #17
Scary yet beautiful ... Nihil Feb 2015 #21

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
6. They should fill it with marshmallow and chocolate, and then pave over it with graham crackers.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

Must be lunchtime here.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
5. Rather ironic.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:58 PM
Feb 2015

Man builds gas fields and pumps out the petroleum and burns it which alters the climate which causes methane explosions which may destroy the gas fields.

Warpy

(111,256 posts)
15. There is enough methane sequestered in the Siberian permafrost
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:17 PM
Feb 2015

to destroy us--and much of what else is living on the planet right now. Our replacements will have to be critters that live at higher temperatures and breathe methane.

It won't be the first time Mother Earth has erased the slate and started over. It most likely won't be the last.

Scruffy Rumbler

(961 posts)
20. I'll be selfish and hope it doesn't happen in my life time.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:33 PM
Feb 2015

It is numbing contemplating the ramifications of human actions to our planet. I do hope that working together, our brighter minds will find a way for us to alter what is happening. We created the mess together, I do hope we can solve the problem together!

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
11. Florida has had that problem for decades
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:59 PM
Feb 2015

If not centuries.

Not to deny climate change is having an impact, but its not a new problem.

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
8. Oh, yeah. We're just gonna research the BEJEEZUS out of this!
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:18 PM
Feb 2015

We'll show those damn craters! They ain't got nothin' on all our compasses and protractors and pocket protectors and shit!

SunSeeker

(51,554 posts)
10. The melting of the permafrost is going to turn our planet into a soggy, iceless hellscape.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:46 PM
Feb 2015
Some scientists contend the thawing of such terrain, rife with centuries of carbon, would release incredible amounts of methane gas and affect global temperatures. “Pound for pound, the comparative impact of (methane gas) on climate change is over 20 times greater than (carbon dioxide) over a 100-year period,” reported the Environmental Protection Agency.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/05/scientists-may-have-cracked-the-giant-siberian-crater-mystery-and-the-news-isnt-good/





mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
12. See, here's the thing about the "intelligent design" crazies..
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:59 PM
Feb 2015

what "intelligent being" would put humans at the top of the food chain?

Might as well enjoy the next hundred years. That should do it.

tomsaiditagain

(105 posts)
16. The human fingerprint
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:21 PM
Feb 2015

is found on most things destroyed in the world where the destructive human resides, period.

"Money is behind the crime most of the time."

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
21. Scary yet beautiful ...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:12 AM
Feb 2015

I love the sheer sides of the craters (especially in some of the photos in the linked articles
from this thread) - as if you've taken a cookie cutter and gone "Plonk" into some pastry or
plasticine!

None of your petty impact crater inner slopes or widespread ejecta cones here - just one
brief "Doink" and it's done - with who knows how much methane added to the atmosphere ...

Nature is beautiful even (or especially?) when it is at its most frightening!



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