Stunning photos of Brazil's massive anti-government protests

[Bacchus4.0]

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/16/8226353/brazil-protest-photos


but all these people look "the same" according to some.

[Fred Sanders]

1. Sore losers of the recent national election..cons are like that everywhere. Stunningly so, some say.

[Marksman_91]

4. Weren't you one of those trying to make it seem like all protesters were rich white oligarchs?

Cuz from these photos you are sadly mistaken. And dang, that's actually quite a lot of rich oligarchs too! Who'd have thought Brazil had millions of rich people?

[Fred Sanders]

6. Maybe they should have an election and decide...wait a minute....they just did! Darn elections...

Some folks just hate elections, don't you agree?

[Marksman_91]

11. That's not the point I'm trying to make

The point is that you and the rest of the ideologically stupefied "socialists" try to make it sound like anyone who protests against a would-be "socialist" government is nothing but racist, rich, white oligarch, when the reality is not as simple as that. You enjoy seeing things in extremes and like to see leaders who see the same way, and yet you fail to notice how that mindset is simply not a good one to have when it comes to policy making and managing a whole goddamn country. This is not how you do realpolitik. It is almost impossible for you to accept that the leaders you held in such high regard actually have flaws and aren't the supposed saints you always thought they were. Dilma and the rest of her administration, as well as much of all the "leftist" leaders of Latin America, are showing more with every passing day that they are no better than their more right-leaning predecessors, and in certain ways even worse, since they like to talk so highly of themselves as being the ones who aren't corrupt unlike the guys before, and yet scandals keep coming up which compromise their claims. As an example, in these last few weeks, global scandals have turned up implicating many former Chavista officials from Venezuela being involved in money laundering scandals and high-profile Swiss banks with venezuelan accounts holding billions of dollars that the Venezuelan government itself has refused to investigate (obviously because it would mean that some of their own would show as being involved with those huge sums.) And now with the whole Petrobras thing, which has many officials of Dilma's party involved, and could possibly lead to her being caught up in it as well, as well as a staggering economy and unchecked corruption, the shit is probably gonna be hitting the fan soon in Brazil as well. Hopefully they'll be rid of the "leftist" trojan horses before they overtake the institutions and settle themselves in power permanently, like how it's unfortunately happened in Venezuela.

[OBenario]

21. This is a bunch of nonsense. n/t

[Marksman_91]

23. A short answer that doesn't even try to refute my points?

This tends to be the sign of someone left without arguments, just so you know.

[Fred Sanders]

32. "Stupefied socialists"? You are not trying to make any point other than you hate elections.

So what about those elections in Brazil? You know the results...it was just months ago.

The fact you hate ALL of the socialist leaders is clear enough...very clear where you and such folks are coming from.

[Marksman_91]

38. I don't hate socialist leaders, I just hate corrupt ones, no matter their ideological stance.

I don't mind Evo Morales, and I don't mind Bachelet, or even Correa (to a certain extent). Most of the other ones, though, like Christina, Dilma, and especially the useless idiot of Maduro, have shown that they're nothing more than corrupt populists focused mostly on simply staying in power rather than working for their people.

[Fred Sanders]

39. How can they work for "their people" if they are not in power and a coup is being attempted?

Who will "the stupefied socialists" as you say, a bit of a give away, by the way, for the people when the military and Oligarths are in power...again..how did that work out for the people....history is a teacher, no?

[Marksman_91]

41. Your mistake is thinking that...

... just because certain leaders call themselves "socialist" means that they cannot be oligarchs themselves either. Just take a look at the recent video that came out of Nicolas Maduro's son dancing and getting showered with US dollars. It's kind of hypocritical how so many of these figures that call themselves "socialists" have become multimillionaires and live luxurious lives (even though they say they don't) while the rest of the people have to do long lines just to get basic food products and have to struggle getting dollars through the corrupt exchange rate control system that exists only in Venezuela which has only made it harder for companies in general to obtain the dollars they need to produce. One only needs to look at the recent scandals that have come up with HSBC and Banca Privada d'Andorra implicating many Chavista officials holding billions that most likely came from PDVSA. When the government is corrupt all around, it doesn't matter if they're leftist or right-wing.

[niyad]

2. stunning photos indeed.

[Judi Lynn]

26. Stunningly European descended demonstrators in a country with an African-Brazilian majority!

Brazil census shows African-Brazilians in the majority for the first time

Preliminary results show 50.7% of Brazilians now define themselves as black or mixed race compared with 47.7% whites

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/17/brazil-census-african-brazilians-majority

[Bacchus4.0]

3. context of protests from same OP link

President Dilma Rousseff is facing huge protests by Brazilians calling for her impeachment. On Sunday, hundreds of thousands took to the streets across the country; in Sao Paulo alone, police said a million people marched, according to the BBC.

The rallies were in part a protest against a corruption scandal at the state-run oil company Petrobras that is shaping up to be one of the biggest in Brazil's history: police have identified $3.7 billion of suspicious payments. Dozens of Brazilian politicians are under investigation for taking illegal kickbacks from a slush fund. And although President Rousseff has not been implicated directly, many of the politicians under suspicion are members of her party or her coalition partners, and much of the alleged malfeasance took place while she was the minister for energy and chairwoman of Petrobras.

The broader context of the protests is that the economy has been doing poorly, hurting many of the middle-class Brazilians who took to the streets this weekend. Inflation is at a 10-year high.

[Marksman_91]

5. Pfft, that's all BS. Everyone knows those "protesters" are paid by the CIA to be on the streets

[OBenario]

24. Misinformation.

The estimative of one million marching in São Paulo is ridiculous. It was given by the military police of the state of São Paulo, which is controlled by governor Geraldo Alckmin, from the opposition.

According to Datafolha, it was 210,000 people at the protest in São Paulo.

Also according to Datafolha, 68% received more than 5 minimum wages per month. Upper class citizens.

[Judi Lynn]

27. Thanks for adding actual information. n/t

[OBenario]

7. You realize that "intervenção militar já" means...

"Military intervention now", right?

You realize these people are calling for a military coup d'état?

[Fred Sanders]

8. Yes, just after an election result the right wing boosters of Oligarths did not like...Venezuela Redux.

[Bacchus4.0]

9. I do, some are asking for that I see. Not me. It also looks like a bad corruption scandal

for Dilma.

I've neither commented on the nature of her scandal, nor the alarming calls of some of the protesters, nor the discontent of all the protesters. The protests seem to be widespread shall we say.

[Marksman_91]

13. Wrong. Only SOME of these people are calling for a coup. Others are simply calling for her to resign

But then again, a lot of the hardcore Chavistas in this site seem to agree with the notion that asking for a president to resign is the same as asking for a coup d'état, so I'm not surprised you're pointing this out in such an extremist manner.

[OBenario]

16. Most of them are.

They are uneducated savages of the right-wing.

And whining of losers is not a Consitutional reason for Impeachment under Brazilian law. Don't know about the US.

[Bacchus4.0]

18. Is corruption a Constitutional reason for impeachment? n/t

[OBenario]

20. If you have a proof of her involvement send to the authorities. n/t

[Marksman_91]

22. The Petrobras investigation is still ongoing, just so you know

And supposedly the corruption allegations go back all the way to when Dilma was the Energy Minister and Chairwoman of Petrobras. So don't hold your breath just yet.

[Fred Sanders]

34. So you agree with a return to military dictorship...or should there be another free election?

[Marksman_91]

36. I think those who are proven to be corrupt should be arrested and tried

And if the president is among them, then a new election should take place.

[Fred Sanders]

37. When is that not ever the case?? If proven true, not speculated? So you are against the military coup demands?

And foreign interference?

Good to know.

[Marksman_91]

40. Foreign interference only hurts the process

Governments should be changed by their own people. And if the people they elected end up overstepping their authority and breaking the law, they should face the consequences and be ousted by the designated independent authorities of that country (which hopefully aren't under control by the current ruling party in the executive branch.) People elect leaders that show them promise but end up goofin' it up all the time. Just take a look at Bush.

[Judi Lynn]

25. Just found a reference to what you said in this article:

Brasil is one of Carvalho’s pupils and tends to regurgitate his tutor’s teachings on his blog or through pithy tweets. Carvalho has no academic training and is not cited by other philosophers, but this has not stopped him from starting a cultish online school, where for as low as $20 a month one can get a “General introduction to higher education in its totality.”

Carvalho’s students would argue that the education he offers tops that of institutions of higher learning, given that the latter are infiltrated by Marxists. His students see themselves as the guardians of conservative values and truth. Many are also enamored with the military, which they see as the last protector of Brazilian democracy, and have calling for it to intervene in Rousseff’s government — an absurdity they justify by reinterpreting the 1964 military coup as a preventive maneuver against a supposedly incoming Communist dictatorship.

Carvalho lives in Virgina. Yet the distance has not dampened his popularity. In fact, it has added to his messianic mystique. O Mínimohas become a bestseller through Brasil’s viral marketing, which portrays Carvalho as an exiled truth-teller — a twenty-first century, rightwing Victor Hugo. Carvalho also has the support of a number of b-list celebrities, including Lobão, a washed-up rocker who has been centrally involved in organizing the recent demonstrations calling for Rousseff’s impeachment — demonstrations that have also drawn a contingent calling for a return to the military dictatorship.

I just posted this article in this forum a few minutes ago:

The Paranoid Style in Brazilian Politics

The slow decline of the Brazilian Workers’ Party has emboldened the country’s growing right wing.

by Patrick de Oliveira

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/brazil-right-wing-veja/

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Something grotesque has happened if there are people calling for another right-wing dictatorship to repress the left again. #### these anal, vicious, greedy guys.

[Fred Sanders]

33. Military dictatorships are loved by those who pretend to care, and of course ignore all history.

[OBenario]

10. Golpistas. Just that.

The middle class and the elite getting their hands dirty.

As in 1964.

"Brazil won't be a new Cuba".

[Bacchus4.0]

12. Good for them. Just look at Venezuela and the mess during this cubanization process n/t

[Marksman_91]

14. Well, it seems that the Cuban model isn't exactly starting to work out at this point

One only needs to take a look at how it's going with Venezuela's adoption of it. So I think it's acceptable that they demand not to be like Cuba.

[Judi Lynn]

29. Sounds absolutely no different in from current Venezuelan elites & middle class racist clowns.

It's as if time had stood still.

(Spooky music . . . . )

[OBenario]

15. Some other pictures. I'll add subtitles.

:large







Forgive the bad English of the "peaceful" protesters. But you're still able to get the message, aren't you?



Did you notice something?

Let me help you.





Do you know what does this flag means?

It's the symbol of Integralism. A kind of Brazilian version of the 1930s/1940s European Nazi/Fascism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integralism





The sign reads "Femicide: yes. Fomenicídio (sic): no". Don't ask me what 'Fomenicídio' is, never seen this word in my life. People at this protest didn't seem the kind that used to be the brightest in the class.

Oh, they also attacked the Workers' Party directory in the city of Jundiaí with a bomb.



Nice people. They want the best for Brazil.

[Bacchus4.0]

17. sounds like its a play on "fome" hunger. I assume femicide refers to offing Dilma

and nao to starvation. Looks like Dilma has some angry constituents.

[OBenario]

19. Wrong.

It refers to a project signed by Dilma that punishes femicide as a more serious category of crime.

Well, it was during her government that Brazil left UN map of hunger.

[Judi Lynn]

30. Didn't hear about that success on hunger under Dilma Rousseff.

It really figures U.S. corporate media felt it something they didn't want to share with the people in the U.S.

Thanks for the information. EXTREMELY important for so many people. (I don't imagine they are protesting this amazing recent rescue from unbearable levels of food deprivation.)

[Judi Lynn]

31. You've taken us to school, OBenario. We need it!

This opening to learn about "integralism" is amazing. Had never heard about this, nor had seen the use of this reverse Greek letter.

This is something to really find out about. We have missed so much, already. Thank you.

[Fred Sanders]

35. Ukrainian Redux....11 Latin American socialist countries support Brazil...I have good company.

The American corporate media loves corporate fascism all over and will stoop to another level of misinformation on foreign affairs, where Americans are clearly the most misinformed and ignorant of facts and history people on Earth.