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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:06 PM Oct 2013

Okay, guys, get my blood pressure down

Last edited Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Just got off the phone with bagger sister and it was doing just fine. Had sent her a birthday card as I always do, and I called her, which I always do, which she says she saves the cards and appreciates them so much, but she never does me the same.

She was happy that Champus was going to cover her costs and those of her husband with Medicare. Told her I was happy to get that health insurance next year and even when I thought I wouldn't, the fact Medicaid was the lifeline of many people and been strengthened with the ACA had taken a burden off me and people I know.

She said that really was a good thing, that people should get that when they are retired and disabled. Because that struck a cord about his situation. Well, things started to go south from there, so to speak, as we talked about Medicaid and she brought up the obligatory racist meme about 'some woman' from Latin America who had miscarried two times and come to the USA and her newborn had a heart defect and she got the baby's surgery and care 'all for free.'

Then, she decided to go with the both parties are the same and they should have reasoned things out to not scare people at the shutdown and debt default and how OBAMA TRIED TO HURT THE VETERANS and I said, Obama did not try to fuck anyone, he wanted payments to go on as promised, let's not go there, my blood pressure, etc.

She said have to agree to not agree followed up by having to say, I WILL NEVER LIKE THAT MAN, OBAMA IS JUST SO ARROGANT!!! and kept on.

She had even admitted that her husband's neverdowell sister and husband, who have broken every law and bankrupted by not being willing (not unable, not willing) to pay their bills, leaving them in a serious jam for co-signing for some years, are now getting Medicaid through the exchanges. And that their daughter works at nursing home and they are getting more money.

WHY, WHY, WHY MUST THEY HATE OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS? WHAT HAVE WE EVER DONE TO THEM? WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THEM, DAMMIT!

To which I said well, we will have to talk next year, maybe, and as she wanted to continue, I said BYE and hung up. I'm sure she's laughing her ass of now. I have tried forgiveness, tried forgetting. tried not talking about it, begged to not talk about these things. This is a wound that never heals!

FUCK THE DAMN RIGHT WING MEDIA AND THE GOP FOR BRAINWASHING! FUCK THE HATERS PAID TO SPEW HATE ON FOX NEWS!

Okay, now that is off my chest, but my heart rate is right up there after realizing once again that I DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO MY ONLY FULL BLOODED FLESH AND BLOOD FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

It's like jumping into a pit full of rattlesnakes and each time ends like a funeral. Post facts, cat pictures, anything, I cannot talk to these people. It is just tearing me up and need some support.

TIA.



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Okay, guys, get my blood pressure down (Original Post) freshwest Oct 2013 OP
Aww Freshwest I feel your pain giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #1
Thanks and I'm sorry about his leg. And that he didn't regard that as the issue of the day... freshwest Oct 2013 #2
Deep breaths mcar Oct 2013 #3
Thanks very much. I wonder if a fundy is easier than a Becker head? At least I could argue religion. freshwest Oct 2013 #5
He's a Rushbot too mcar Oct 2013 #7
I wonder if she is a narcissist. Her husband was always the funny one and very freshwest Oct 2013 #9
It's the selfishness of it all that bothers me mcar Oct 2013 #16
Some people just won't ever get it i'm afraid. sheshe2 Oct 2013 #4
Thanks, my Boston Strong friend! At least I have my DU BOG family... freshwest Oct 2013 #6
Oh I knew you would just love that kitteh, freshwest. sheshe2 Oct 2013 #10
Captions: 'Ah, ha! There you are! Gotcha!' 'Oops!' amd 'I meant to do that!' freshwest Oct 2013 #13
LOL, I like your captions better, freshwest. sheshe2 Oct 2013 #15
Hang in there. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #8
Thanks, getting that massage tomorrow. And trying to wind down. I don't handle this well. Later... freshwest Oct 2013 #11
I refuse to get sucked in... stillcool Oct 2013 #12
I agree, you know exactly what is going on. freshwest Oct 2013 #14
Understand completely, freshwest AndyA Oct 2013 #17
Take the bigger view. grantcart Oct 2013 #18
I ache for the pain you're feeling Isoldeblue Oct 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Whisp Nov 2013 #20
Even on my trip, I've had to at least occasionally scan the BOG threads w/o replying IrishAyes Nov 2013 #21
do we have the same sister? hopemountain Nov 2013 #22
Freshwest Coolest Ranger Nov 2013 #23
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
1. Aww Freshwest I feel your pain
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:18 PM
Oct 2013

My dad & sister are the same way. I was down at my dad's in Miami 2 weeks ago to be with him while he had his leg amputated. At one point he told me he had taken his flag down because of the immigration laws that were passed as I started to tell him none had gotten passed because of the idiots in the House he started with his crazy ranting. I had to stop him short as I had only been in town less than 30 min. He also still swears HRC should be in jail for Libya. It's rather painful.

Just know your not alone & many of us feel your pain.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
2. Thanks and I'm sorry about his leg. And that he didn't regard that as the issue of the day...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:37 PM
Oct 2013

The media has ruined this nation. Ppeople they've infected with this mental illness, insist on everyone agreeing with them.

Someone (maraya?) wrote an OP the other day about how she'd lost her family to them embracing meanness and cruelty. The things they'd have never gone for when they were growing up. The disrespect for other human beings, the warped sense of humor, just hateful.

I'm glad you were there for him, but I cannot be with her, not even long distance.

to you, too and thanks.

mcar

(42,307 posts)
3. Deep breaths
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:42 PM
Oct 2013

I have similar issues with my crazy Fundy brother so I know the "top of my head is going to blow off" feeling. We barely speak but, yes, I still love him. I wish things could be different but he is what he is.

No one can frustrate us more than family. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Good on you for trying but it's not worth your health.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. Thanks very much. I wonder if a fundy is easier than a Becker head? At least I could argue religion.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:53 PM
Oct 2013

mcar

(42,307 posts)
7. He's a Rushbot too
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:59 PM
Oct 2013

No hope there. The Fundy stuff is all pseudo on his part. He just likes the we're all eternally damned aspect of it.

It's quite a shame because he's a highly intelligent, very funny person who just happens to be a raging narcissist.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. I wonder if she is a narcissist. Her husband was always the funny one and very
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:22 PM
Oct 2013
intelligent, also a real Christian, believed in taking care of others, or so I thought. Only thing was he went around the bend around election time, too.

We were not brought up this way or anything like it. Our famliy had many views on religion and politics. It did cause problems at times, sort of a divide.

But my father was strongly into doing the right thing and civil rights. He'd have a heart attack seeing this crazy stuff that he went to WW2 to defeat, eating this country up.

With her, it officially started in 2008 and hasn't stopped. There were probably warning signs all along that I just didn't see at all.

mcar

(42,307 posts)
16. It's the selfishness of it all that bothers me
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:54 PM
Oct 2013

They just don't care about anyone but themselves. False Christianity, false siblings. It's just a sad way to live.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
4. Some people just won't ever get it i'm afraid.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:43 PM
Oct 2013


They will never see the world without their hate clouding the view. We can try to change them, I suppose it could work on a few of them. Your sister, well maybe not.

So sorry about your family. You can borrow some of mine, I am lucky to have so many strong democrats around me. I am willing to share some of that with you.

freshwest

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
8. Hang in there.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:07 PM
Oct 2013

Take a refresher from all that hate. Go see a movie or get a massage.

Please consider us your circle of lefty friends to lean on when the fundies in your life get to you.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. Thanks, getting that massage tomorrow. And trying to wind down. I don't handle this well. Later...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:23 PM
Oct 2013

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
12. I refuse to get sucked in...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:26 PM
Oct 2013

Until I do. And then I blow up. And then communication stops. For a while. Then, slowly, conversation resumes. Until the next time. It requires so much patience. I do end up trying to see the world through her eyes. It is not pretty. All that anger/cockiness/spite/hatred comes from a sad place, and I guess this is how she makes herself feel better.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
17. Understand completely, freshwest
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 07:12 PM
Oct 2013

My brother is the same. Right wing all the way. Listens to all the hate jocks, watches Faux News, and loves to spout off on political topics to prove how smart and well informed he is.

Years ago, I had had enough of his right wing crap, and I told him I thought he needed to go see his doctor. He asked why. I told him to have tests run for a brain tumor, because surely no one could be that stupid and gullible without a blockage of some sort in their brain.

He was a bit dumbfounded.

Then I told him he should be smart enough to check the facts before he repeats things, because there's always someone out there who knows better, and it really does make him look like a simpleton to be repeating things that simply are not true.

I felt better after I'd said that. He didn't talk politics anywhere near as much after that.

It is completely frustrating and maddening to have to listen to lies and crap spewed as the truth at every family gathering. Sending good thoughts your way, try not to let your sister get to you, which I know is easier said than done. Obviously, you have LOTS of company, and we can all form a support group if need be!

Take care of yourself!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. Take the bigger view.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:39 PM
Oct 2013

The Republicans are in sharp decline.

There will be a lot of irrational rage by the uninformed.

Let them have their moments.

We will own election night.

Next Tuesday when the results in VA come in give your sister a call and just have a friendly chat and never refer to the news.

And give her a friendly call every election night.

Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
19. I ache for the pain you're feeling
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:56 PM
Oct 2013

about not being able to have a caring and loving relationship with your sister.

It isn't your fault and it's not your responsibility for her responses to facts.

I have no relationship with my brothers or parents. And it hurts. But it's on them, not me. They have expectations of me to do for them, but no where willing to do right by me, nor to give me any respect.

You nailed it, with calling it narcissism. She does not have the ability, for whatever reason, to give you, what she expects from you.

I think of them like rattlesnakes, They can't help but bite; that's their nature. They are toxic to my peace of mind. So, I won't jump into a pit with them. It's totally unreasonable to try.

At some point, you need to let her go. It's up to you to set the boundaries tho, for when you do have contact with her. If you can, don't allow certain subjects, next time. Just go, mmmm, to a dumb thing she claims and bring up something else. Like what to make for dinner.... Why allow her to get your BP up? Be good to yourself! You already know her position and how she'll respond if you bite.....

I wish so much, it could be different for you and your sister to be able share a loving relationship. I do for myself as well with my brothers and parents and other family members. For us it's much more than just politics and religion. There are other factors. Either way, it's sad and I grieve for the loss for you and myself.

You're in my thoughts tonight and prayers, dear freshwest.

Response to freshwest (Original post)

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
21. Even on my trip, I've had to at least occasionally scan the BOG threads w/o replying
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:47 PM
Nov 2013

But can't do so with this one. My heart breaks for you, my friend; you've probably read my rants about a similar situation w/my "sister". I use quotes because she's always called me the changeling. It's hard and it hurts like hell, but there are times when you have to turn mother's picture to the wall and get out. Family are the people who care about you, no shared DNA required. If someone proves over a period of time that they take pleasure in hurting you, it's okay to say a prayer for that person and walk out for good. Would you continue to tolerate a man who abused you in any way? Of course not. You don't owe your sister a handy target for her abusiveness either. An accident of birth made you kin; she's broken that deepest of ties too many times for it to hold any sway over you.

Do what I did the day my divorce was final - I sent my ex a greeting card 'congratulations - to me! Free at last, free at last! Thank God Almighty, I'm free at last!"

And don't look back. Declare your freedom and make it stick. This is easier done when you have forgiven someone. It's not to hurt them back necessarily. But it does them no favor to serve as their enabler, either. For years it can be agape love, but even that doesn't require painting a target on your forehead and handing the abuser a pistol. At this point she's not going to change. So you must. Not only for her sake, but for yours and the sake of all who do love you.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
22. do we have the same sister?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:23 PM
Nov 2013

both of my sisters and my brother say the same thing - they "can't stand to look at president obama because he is so arrogant" … wtf!!! they are all programmed

we do not talk politics but every once in awhile, they send me tea-haddist bullshit emails. then i gladly respond to them and all of their cohorts with proof of their lies.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
23. Freshwest
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:38 PM
Nov 2013

my brother from another mother. I feel your pain my man. I know how you feel. Some folks in my own family stress me out and make my blood pressure rise. I wish I could comfort you in person but hang in there. You got a lot of fans here at DU count me among them. I love you brother.

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