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Related: About this forumMassive floods in northern England
BBC story hereThere are hundreds of flood warnings across much of the U.K. as well.
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Massive floods in northern England (Original Post)
shenmue
Dec 2015
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elleng
(130,895 posts)1. Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service tweeted:
"A severe flood warning means danger to life. It doesn't mean 'come and have a look'! Please don't come to visit Whalley or Ribchester now."
haikugal
(6,476 posts)2. I hope everyone rays safe.
This looks really bad. Thanks shenmue!
shenmue
(38,506 posts)3. You're welcome
Warpy
(111,254 posts)4. People closest to the rivers are being evacuated and major roads are closed
http://www.cumbriacrack.com/ has some decent information.
"Crack" doesn't mean the same things over there.
"Crack" doesn't mean the same things over there.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)5. Stay safe everyone!
T_i_B
(14,737 posts)6. York floods: Why did the Foss Barrier fail?
York has a history of flooding, but the failure of the Foss barrier has made this flooding even worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12072220/York-floods-Why-did-the-Foss-Barrier-fail.html
On Boxing Day, with the barriers pumping station flooded, the Environment Agency lifted the barrier enabling water from the Ouse to flow up into Foss and resulting in more than 600 properties being flooded.
The Environment Agency said that if the electrics in the pumping station had failed with the barrier down, the Foss would have been blocked off entirely with even worse flooding as a result, potentially affecting 1,800 properties.
But angry York residents questioned how the pumping station had become flooded when Ouse river levels on Boxing Day had not yet hit the record levels seen in 2000, when the Foss barrier was in place and its pumps ran for 10 days
The Environment Agency said that if the electrics in the pumping station had failed with the barrier down, the Foss would have been blocked off entirely with even worse flooding as a result, potentially affecting 1,800 properties.
But angry York residents questioned how the pumping station had become flooded when Ouse river levels on Boxing Day had not yet hit the record levels seen in 2000, when the Foss barrier was in place and its pumps ran for 10 days
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)7. This flood was not only foretold – it was publicly subsidised
These floods were not just predictable; they were predicted. There were clear and specific warnings that the management of land upstream of the towns now featuring in the news would lead to disaster. On 9 December one of my readers told me this. I live in the middle of Foss drainage board land above York, where flooding would not harm a single property but water is sent down as fast as possible to York. A few days later another reader wrote to me, warning that upstream flood banks now protect crops, not the city of York. On 26 December the Foss exploded into York.
It is a complaint Ive heard repeatedly: internal drainage boards which are public bodies but tend to be mostly controlled by landowners often prioritise the protection of farmland above the safety of towns and cities downstream. By straightening, embanking and dredging rivers where they cut through fields, the boards accelerate the flow of water, making flooding downstream more likely. When heavy rain falls, some land must flood. We have a choice: fields or cities. And all over Britain, we have chosen badly.
For several years campaigners in Hebden Bridge have been begging the government to stop the drainage and burning of the grouse moors upstream. Eighteen months ago I visited the town, where activists told me that thanks to the damage inflicted on the bogs and deep vegetation of the moors, which reduces their capacity to hold water, it was only a matter of time before Hebden Bridge was wrecked again by flash floods. Their warnings were not just ignored, but if such a thing is possible actively disregarded.
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In 2011, the government body Natural England launched a prosecution of the estate, citing illegal works on the moor. The estate was charged with 45 offences, 30 of which involved building allegedly unauthorised drainage channels. It denied all criminal activity. In 2012, as Mark Avery documents in his book Inglorious, something very odd happened. After £1m had been spent on the case it was suddenly dropped. Instead, Natural England struck an agreement with the estate under which the owner of Walshaw Moor would be given £2.5m of public money, in the form of a special package of enhanced farm subsidies, to carry on more or less as before, without reversing what were alleged to have been illegal works.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/29/deluge-farmers-flood-grouse-moor-drain-land
It is a complaint Ive heard repeatedly: internal drainage boards which are public bodies but tend to be mostly controlled by landowners often prioritise the protection of farmland above the safety of towns and cities downstream. By straightening, embanking and dredging rivers where they cut through fields, the boards accelerate the flow of water, making flooding downstream more likely. When heavy rain falls, some land must flood. We have a choice: fields or cities. And all over Britain, we have chosen badly.
For several years campaigners in Hebden Bridge have been begging the government to stop the drainage and burning of the grouse moors upstream. Eighteen months ago I visited the town, where activists told me that thanks to the damage inflicted on the bogs and deep vegetation of the moors, which reduces their capacity to hold water, it was only a matter of time before Hebden Bridge was wrecked again by flash floods. Their warnings were not just ignored, but if such a thing is possible actively disregarded.
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In 2011, the government body Natural England launched a prosecution of the estate, citing illegal works on the moor. The estate was charged with 45 offences, 30 of which involved building allegedly unauthorised drainage channels. It denied all criminal activity. In 2012, as Mark Avery documents in his book Inglorious, something very odd happened. After £1m had been spent on the case it was suddenly dropped. Instead, Natural England struck an agreement with the estate under which the owner of Walshaw Moor would be given £2.5m of public money, in the form of a special package of enhanced farm subsidies, to carry on more or less as before, without reversing what were alleged to have been illegal works.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/29/deluge-farmers-flood-grouse-moor-drain-land