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Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:59 PM

Vic Toews using Magnotta killer as reason to support bill C-30

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/11/luka-rocco-magnotta-alleged-killing-video-shows-need-for-new-internet-surveillance-laws-vic-toews/


Its a difficult prosecution given the state of the law today. Of course, the police have been talking to me over the last six years about modernizing the law with respect to access, he said.

We put forward legislation that attempted to balance the public interest with privacy interests and that bill is in fact going to the committee prior to second reading.

Toews did not go into specifics on how Bill C-30 would make prosecutions easier.

This guy is an absolute idiot. It really is that simple. No wonder Canada's intelligence agencies are so self serving and incompetent, they are simply mirroring their brave leader.

It is repulsive that a politician takes isolated and rare incidents and decides it is justifiable to impact the entire nation to address these incidents.

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Reply Vic Toews using Magnotta killer as reason to support bill C-30 (Original post)
shockedcanadian Jun 2012 OP
teddy51 Jun 2012 #1
shockedcanadian Jun 2012 #2
teddy51 Jun 2012 #3
shockedcanadian Jun 2012 #4
Joe Shlabotnik Jun 2012 #5
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Response to shockedcanadian (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:22 PM

1. That's what happens when you give these idiots a majority Government. Who didn't see

 

see this coming? I had many arguments with relatives in Canada that were supporting the Conservatives in the last election. Now I tell them, they got what they paid for.

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Response to teddy51 (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:00 PM

2. You are entitled to your opinion...

I am of the opinion that every party in Canada has their bad apples; with the Conservatives this man happens to be the worst of the bunch and he is in the most important position. I don't think too highly of Flaherty either but at least he tries to think creatively, not such a bottom feeder like Toews is.

I don't like having to call a spade a spade, but this guy has always rubbed me the wrong way. There is my own personal biases in my interactions with him that affect my judgment as well, I cannot lie.


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Response to shockedcanadian (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:09 PM

3. Harper is every bit as bad as Toews is and of course Flaherty is a major loser as well. There is

 

also the Human Resources person as well, she sucks.
My thoughts are the Liberals are the ones that cause the Conservatives to take a majority. What the hell were they thinking voting Ignatieff in as the leader of the party? The guy lived in the US for what, 37 years?

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Response to teddy51 (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:30 PM

4. I am a bit different...

I tend to think equally of all parties, I am not loyal to any one political party or entity. I consider myself "Libertarian" by nature, I prefer the least amount of government interference in citizens personal lives (hence my dislike of Toews and his snooping bill).

I could easily say I didn't mind Paul Martin, I respected Jack Layton and I do respect Harper. I would probably never vote NDP, but this doesn't mean my opinion couldn't change if I felt their leadership and platform made sense for the times. We are in a constant changing global environment so I think it is a major error to be a lifetime cheerleader of ANY party. For the record, Iggy was a bad choice but you can be sure Bob Rae wouldn't help them either, at least not in Ontario...and I was a young lad when he was ruling the roost here.

In general, as I am fiscally Conservative, I personally believed the philosophy of the Conservatives made the most sense in our difficult and complex global slow down. I certainly do not agree with more debt for our over indebted country, ironically, the Conservatives inability to curb spending has cost them confidence with me. In regards to social issues, I believe in maximum freedoms as long as those who are free are not imposing on my existence.

In the end. Taking isolated issues and using them for an argument to suppress your citizens is not kosher with me. The spin has been the same, "look at all of the bad people, this is why you need to trust the state to monitor your activity". Bullocks.

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Response to teddy51 (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:38 PM

5. Ignatief and the party elite are sure to blame,

But just like with US politics, I think there is an increasing polarization within the public. I question if the Liberals even have a place anymore. The old political centre is vanishing, and since the mid 1980's it has been right of centre anyway. It may be 5 years before the Liberals are relevant again, and thats providing that Justin Trudeau keeps his nose clean, stays charismatic, and decides to run for leader.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:23 PM

8. I just read the other day that Justin is more popular than Bob Rae, will be interesting to see where

 

they take the party.

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Response to shockedcanadian (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:42 PM

6. Saw this one coming over a week ago.

The Conservatives, never let a good crisis go to waste, and obviously Toews oversized ago is in need of redemption. But the fact of the matter is that spying on citizens would not have helped this case one bit. It was a failure of policing alright, but only because they ignored someone who was 'wanted' by animal cruelty activists for 2 years.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:05 PM

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"It was a failure of policing alright, but only because they ignored someone who was 'wanted' by animal cruelty activists for 2 years."
Agreed.

To me the link of the activities of this murdering sob Magnotta to bill C-30 is akin to the question of the price of tea in China. (Toews doesn't deserve to be called an sob, though other names are acceptable, I edit my post to reflect appropriately as it was confusing)

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