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ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:57 PM Jul 2014

Blue and red counties in Washington State

Interesting. I just sent this to my very RW sister living in Washington... who will see red! The most liberal county(s) in Washington state basically fund some of almost every red county.

Blue and red in Washington State
by Adam Burtle February 15, 2011

The Stranger had an interesting article last week (thanks to my friend, Adam, for mentioning it to me), looking in some depth at the allocation of state tax monies to each county. The upshot of the article is that each county pays a certain amount of taxes, and some counties receive back a disproportionately high (or low) amount. What’s surprising is that the counties that are staunchly republican — populated with people who call for budget cuts because inner city schools and welfare and food stamps (etc) are a drain on the taxpayer — are the ones receiving the disproportionately high amount of social service spending.

The inner city schools are surprisingly efficient. Seattle School District spent only $6,000 per student, versus more than $40,000 per student spent in some of the “red” counties. Tukwila School District, the most diverse in the nation, spends $9500 per student. The article points out that King County, with the largest concentration of urban poor, still drew half the amount of DSHS funds per capita as compared to many eastern (and republican-voting) counties.

So the question that this article seems to pose, at least to me, is whether the 70%+ of residents in these ‘red’ counties are actively voting against their own interests. Rhetoric of self-sufficiency is one thing, but that rhetoric doesn’t match the numbers. So is it just the 15 or 20% of blue residents in these counties soaking up all of the money doled out from Olympia? Somehow I doubt it.

http://www.structuralviolence.org/167/blue-and-red-in-washington-state/

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Blue and red counties in Washington State (Original Post) ErikJ Jul 2014 OP
I'm in Port Angeles a few times a year. Aristus Jul 2014 #1
so how can this information be used politically to further a progressive agenda, if it can at all? msongs Jul 2014 #2
Hate liberal King County? ErikJ Jul 2014 #4
Looks like the Seattle area and Skagit pretty much fund the entire state Sanity Claws Jul 2014 #3
Skagit County customerserviceguy Jul 2014 #5
Manufacturing brings in more than agriculture does up here. countryjake Jul 2014 #12
Pierce and King MFM008 Jul 2014 #6
I'm with Dean's 50 state strategy eridani Jul 2014 #9
I live on North Olympic Peninsula (Clallam) blindersoff Jul 2014 #7
Hello neighbor from bordering Jefferson Co uppityperson Jul 2014 #14
Nice to have this permanent link eridani Jul 2014 #8
A note from a Stevens County Democrat on campaigning in red areas eridani Jul 2014 #10
+1000 countryjake Jul 2014 #13
So, as a state... Wounded Bear Jul 2014 #11
As with the nation, "God's people" are the takers. Dawson Leery Sep 2015 #15
Perspective from Wahkiakum county Kilgore Sep 2015 #16
I'm in Spokane charlene4047 Oct 2015 #17

Aristus

(66,340 posts)
1. I'm in Port Angeles a few times a year.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:00 PM
Jul 2014

I see anti-Obama signs and stickers everywhere

If it weren't for the fact that I'm there to take the ferry to lovely, liberal Victoria, BC, I wouldn't go there at all...

msongs

(67,405 posts)
2. so how can this information be used politically to further a progressive agenda, if it can at all?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jul 2014
 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
4. Hate liberal King County?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jul 2014

My sister was whining how the current governor stole the election and that if it werent for liberal King County, Washington would have a Republican governor. She lives in blue Pierce Co I think.
So then I remembered how richer urban America is blue and poorer rural America is red and found this.
It also correlates with the blue states supporting the poorer red states phenomenon too.

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
3. Looks like the Seattle area and Skagit pretty much fund the entire state
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:16 PM
Jul 2014

I'm trying to figure out why Skagit sends so much to the state. I just think of it as tulips and other bulbs. What other industries in Skagit provides state revenue?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
5. Skagit County
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jul 2014

has more waterfront than the other counties. Property taxes are pretty high on that sort of land, and even on land that's got a view of the water. Not a high proportion of services needed for Skagit, either, so that tilts the ratio of taxes paid to taxes returned against that county.

I used to be a title examiner in western Washington.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
12. Manufacturing brings in more than agriculture does up here.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 04:58 PM
Jul 2014

Lots of food processing that relies on our many farms, the refineries (which probably benefit the state more than anything related to agriculture, not sure, tho), and machine shops...boat crafting and other marine production related to the miles of shoreline we enjoy.

Skagit County is one of the world's leading suppliers of vegetable seed; just look at our county's farmers' fight against the polluting invasion of GMO crap and what was at stake for our economy if Monsanto had gotten its way. It's not just tulip fields here, never has been.

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
6. Pierce and King
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:35 PM
Jul 2014

keep WA blue, most elections are decided by King county.
Who cares about the non blue areas, about 10 people live there.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
9. I'm with Dean's 50 state strategy
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jul 2014

At the state level, that would be a 49 LD strategy. I don't think we should leave any areas uncontested.

blindersoff

(258 posts)
7. I live on North Olympic Peninsula (Clallam)
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jul 2014

It is a real mix; there are some (better educated) liberal people, but the wingnuts abound and are scary in their wing-nuttiness. When we moved here we thought Washington was a "blue" state and didn't realize the divisions between the city people and the more rural areas. Even some of the more educated people whom you would think would see through the RW BS are quite teapartyish. We tend not to talk politics with many of the people we meet... although I'll call BS on things when someone says something ridiculous to me.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
8. Nice to have this permanent link
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:43 PM
Jul 2014

The original Stranger link posted here in 2011 has been dead for awhile.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
10. A note from a Stevens County Democrat on campaigning in red areas
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jul 2014
Democrats and Transformational Politics
By Walter Kloefkorn, State Committeeman, Stevens County

I remain amazed at how many in our party still refuse to grasp the essential differences between transactional politics (winning a particular election by mobilizing supporters) and transformational politics (changing the way people think about issues). Even many who do understand the difference prefer to remain focused on the next election, because that is what they know best and are most comfortable with. But if we do not start effectively challenging the GOP's dominance in transformational politics, we will squander our remaining advantages.

Local party organizations certainly must keep organizing. We can achieve higher percentages simply by identifying more Democrats, but it is virtually impossible for better transactional politics to achieve victory. The party at every level needs to practice transformational politics and start changing people's minds. The GOP has been doing this effectively for forty years—we don't even try. It will be difficult in rural areas. A lot of these folks are too old and set in their ways to change, but we have to start winning on generational succession.

Campaigns CANNOT spend much effort on transformational politics and win, unless they are in a district that doesn't need to be transformed. The people on the ground should generally be local people, not folks helicoptered in. We have such people everywhere in the state. But they are continually gainsaid by the messaging of the state and national party, and undercut by the actions of elected Democrats at both levels.

Our party has not practiced transformational politics for 40 years, focusing instead on “electing Democrats,” often of dubious provenance. Many of the candidates who have won those elections have reinforced the opponent's message. Our Washington party has specifically not responded forcefully to, among others, the Grange’s anti-party message on (repeatedly) Eyman’s anti-tax message, because it would be hard. That has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are consequences to screwing up for forty years.

As Wayne Gretzky famously pointed out, you don’t win hockey games skating to where the puck is. You win them by skating to where the puck is going to be. Winning the hearts and minds of the Millennials needs to be part of our strategy to allow our nation to realize its progressive values. Both they and socially liberal, but economically Libertarian Gen Xers will not be won over with rhetoric alone, they need real help with the dire economic predicament most of them are in. Among them, and the Boomers who share our values but no longer believe the Democratic Party represents them, our biggest enemy is the idea that “There is no difference between the parties.”

We have a powerful tool to use in transformational politics. It is the result of what remains of our bottom-up organizing efforts, our platforms (at every level) and resolutions. I hope that at the state convention we will take a strong step towards using the work of those people we have on the ground in every corner of the state and change our by-laws to form a state committee dedicated to holding our elected Democrats’ feet to those fires. Majorities still share our values but they no longer trust that we will act on them because of constant betrayals. We need to win that trust back. Small steps are being taken, a slim majority of Democrats opposed the $9 Billion in SNAP cuts in a Trillion Dollar Farm bill (but almost as many voted for them). The object of neoliberal globalist and corporatist desire, the Trans Pacific Partnership, seems to be foundering on a Democratic rock. But that is only a temporary setback unless we send in reinforcements with the 2014 elections. The president is talking about income inequality, but proposing only what amounts to more trickle-down to deal with it.

This is a moment when sane Republicans could be reached. Simply put, our party is not positioned to reach them. The economic message our party has been promoting is simply more trickle down, help Wall Street, help big business and we’ll eventually get jobs. That kind of development has NEVER benefited the rural areas; it simply sucks resources out of them. That would include the young people who do what they are told, go to college, and then have to move to get a job. Exporting grain and lumber at loss leader prices because our agriculture policy is designed to profit Big Ag and depress commodity prices is NOT a route to prosperity. Economies and prosperity are built from the bottom up.

A coherent strategy with better use of VoteBuilder on issues would do wonders, and build a rural base for the future. It will NOT flip hard red areas; just give us a few more points in elections. A stronger, more active party base would at least allow us to check the rampant corruption that is proliferating under the one-party rule Eastern Washington now enjoys.. Levels of spending far beyond anything that could be contemplated by the party will not win elections here. To start winning victories we would need to reverse forty years of the GOP’s effective transformational politics. The best (and probably the only) way to convince anti-government voters that the government can work for them is to make the government work for them. When you go along with the Right and cut and privatize, you simply reinforce their views, but that is what we have been doing. We need effective action at the state and federal level on economic programs.

Only the party can drive transformational politics, campaigns don't have the time to play that game. Our party has not participated effectively, allowing the Grange, Tim Eyman, Washington Policy Center, Freedom Foundation and others to define the public debate on tax policy, Top Two and the value of political parties, our elections, the role of government. Our labor allies and NGOs try to fill the gap, but the party, and more importantly, many elected Democrats actually undercut them instead of helping them.

Nothing would be as effective at flipping these areas as action at the state and federal level promoting the democratic values in our platform. The action needs to be not on fluff but on dollar and cents issues. Dramatic action; not nibbling around the edges. We will have to get the necessary majorities in the purple areas we are currently losing.

Wounded Bear

(58,649 posts)
11. So, as a state...
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jul 2014

we follow the national trend that blue areas pay and red areas receive. Yet, we're the takers.

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
16. Perspective from Wahkiakum county
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 09:57 AM
Sep 2015

With only ~4,000 people in the entire county, and most of the timberlands owned by WA state, just the money spent on Route 4, our only state highway, would result in huge inward cash flow.

charlene4047

(8 posts)
17. I'm in Spokane
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 03:19 AM
Oct 2015

I don't now about the numbers, but I do know I posted on site mentioning being a Democrat. The next time I looked I was accused of being "one of those leeches." They knew as much about me as you do. If the Republicans everywhere are as rabid about it as they are in Spokane, absolutely they are voting against their own interests. They have drunk the Kool-Ade.

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