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intrepidity

(7,302 posts)
Sun Aug 16, 2020, 08:27 AM Aug 2020

Thunderstorms with lightning (very, very frightening!)

North Bay, now.




And, from (sorry for format)
https://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/getprod.php?afos=afdmtr&wfo=mtr&version=0&print=yes&new=1&font=120

DISCUSSION...as of 3:30 AM PDT Sunday...Extremely busy night at
the office between extreme heat and a red flag warning for
thunderstorm risk, but the main focus has been a powerful, fast
moving severe thunderstorm that developed off the Central Coast
late last evening and has been producing frequent lightning and
erratic gusty outflow winds of 45 to 60 mph (update peak gusts 60-
75mph since the AFD was written). Due to the very frequent
lightning, expect wildfire starts to start where lightning occurs,
especially given the particularly dry vegetation and hot and dry air
mass near the surface below the elevated moisture aloft.

Latest WRF/NAM output show a much more aggressive push of MUCAPE
(a measure of potential energy at a specific level in the
atmosphere), PWATs (total moisture available in the atmosphere),
and modified total totals >34 across the region through Sunday and
into early Monday. Thunderstorms will develop primarily in the
core of a pair of elevated moisture surges rotating into the
region around the oppressive high pressure driving the excessive
heatwave and a 578dm 500mb trough centered just off the NW
California coast. This trough will further enhance elevated
convection as it transitions into the area of best upper level
dynamics on the eastern flank of the trough, which is what we have
seen occurring over the last day, and particularly tonight. Expect
new thunderstorms to rapidly enhance as they moved into this
preferred region throughout the next 24-36 hours. Due to these
conditions, the Red Flag Warning for dry thunderstorms has been
extended until Monday morning.

In addition, the excessive heat warning remains in effect through
at least Wednesday. Today`s forecast high temperatures were
increased on the overnight shift as previous days have
outperformed even the hottest model data and it is expected that
both day and night time temperatures will run warmer than
modeled, even after bias corrections. In addition, the heat
advisories for the nearshore zones will not longer just be issued
through the day but also through the night as overnight lows
struggle to drop below 70 degrees even at the coast. Without
significant overnight cooling, the days will start warmer and stay
hotter midday even longer through the day, both of which will add
to accumulating heat stress across the major urban areas. Many
have asked if these thunderstorms will mean it will be much cooler
today, and the answer unfortunately is no. This is because the
hottest, driest air is hovering just above the surface and up a
few hundred to thousand feet. Meanwhile, these thunderstorms are
sitting at about 10000 feet or higher, much too high for the
moisture to make any significant difference for us at the ground.
The increased albedo from these clouds in place will bring some
very minor cooling related to additional insolation heating from
the sun, however, the main reason we are so hot is because of the
hot dry air near the surface, not so much the insolation from the
sun.
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Thunderstorms with lightning (very, very frightening!) (Original Post) intrepidity Aug 2020 OP
Momma Mia, Momma Mia! jpak Aug 2020 #1
Figaro. CentralMass Aug 2020 #2
Yikes intrepidity Aug 2020 #3
we are under a red flag warning as well here in wash state..i hate summer!!! samnsara Aug 2020 #4
We are under stage 1 fire restrictions... 2naSalit Aug 2020 #5
Sonoma county here stopwastingmymoney Aug 2020 #6
This must be what it's like on the East Coast in the summer ailsagirl Aug 2020 #7
The Cat finally emerged from the basement Retrograde Aug 2020 #8

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
4. we are under a red flag warning as well here in wash state..i hate summer!!!
Sun Aug 16, 2020, 08:58 AM
Aug 2020

...i live deep in a canyon in the forest with ONE way out. Lord save us if a fire is between me and that exit. Oh i can get out by driving my suv with my 4 dogs further up into the hills where i can catch a one lane dirt trail to the other side.


But saying that....I LOVE thunderstorms and since we have so few where I live, hubby and I met up with a group in OKC every summer for a decade to chase them...along with extreme photographer Geoff Mackley. We didnt chase Geoff but he was a great travel mate...

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
5. We are under stage 1 fire restrictions...
Sun Aug 16, 2020, 09:24 AM
Aug 2020

and Red Flag warnings in Montana and heat warnings start today.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,042 posts)
6. Sonoma county here
Sun Aug 16, 2020, 09:29 AM
Aug 2020

We were awakened at 5am by our dog crawling between us, trembling

It seems to be over here but that was loud and intense. Happily we got a little rain along with it.

Now we watch for fires, oops right now, more thunder

Stay safe everybody

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
7. This must be what it's like on the East Coast in the summer
Sun Aug 16, 2020, 10:19 AM
Aug 2020

High humidity
High temps (which remain even early in the morning)
Loud thunderstorms (& lots of lightning)

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
8. The Cat finally emerged from the basement
Sun Aug 16, 2020, 01:38 PM
Aug 2020

at about 9 and has been acting skittish since. I'm surprised the thunder didn't set off any of the neighborhood dogs.

And it isn't cooling down much, dangit.

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