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The 41 week wait is over (they skipped a week last year to show "Behind the Candelabra"
Tyrion welcomes a surprise guest to King's Landing for the royal wedding, but fears he's come to the Red Keep for something else. Meanwhile, Jon warns his skeptical Night's Watch superiors about an impending attack; Jaime struggles to regain his status at home; Arya encounters a face from her past; and Daario Naharis discusses strategy with Daenerys on the journey to the slave city Meereen.
MuseRider
(34,109 posts)I have to miss it but will be recording it. I will look at NOTHING until I have seen it. I can't believe I got so hooked on the TV show. The books yes but the TV show? I blame it on the incredible cast. Could it be cast any better?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think they need to build up to it
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)the actual wedding will be in episode 4. Not 100% sure, though.
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)Given the amount of time they filmed Tyrion's post-wedding scenes in comparison to his pre-wedding ones
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Episode 5 is entitled - swipe to the right: [font color=white]The First of His Name. In my mind, that refers to Tommen taking the throne after Joffrey dies. So, that lends credence to the idea that Joff dies in episode 4. [/font]
1monster
(11,012 posts)Because he already killed off all 144 characters!
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)A sword was dismantled and a baby wolf stole was thrown in a fire. What was that all about?
warrior1
(12,325 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)He was making a smaller sword for Jaime.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)In the book though they're both the same size with the only real difference being that the hilt of the one for Joffrey was more ornate. IIRC from the book Joffrey's sword is presented to him at the wedding. It just struck me how odd that is considering that wedding gifts are supposed to be for both the bride and groom. I don't recall that Tywin gave anything at all for Margery to balance the gift of the sword to Joffrey.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)The swords are both the same size.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Just watched it again, and the sword being made on the right is significantly shorter than the one on the left when the molten metal is poured into those molds.
That scene is on YT here...
You can watch also watch the whole episode on the net here...
http://www.1channelmovie.com/watch-tv-shows/2011/watch-game-of-thrones-9925356/season-4/episode-1/
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)You are right. Remind me to put you on my team should I ever have need of entering a GoT trivia contest.
I was surprised, but that was tough to watch as well, since I know the sword was very important to both Ned and Robb in the books, and as a symbol of the Stark family. It being melted was like the family melting away as well.
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warrior1
(12,325 posts)rudolph the red
(666 posts)Not sure about the wolf cub, I suppose it was meant to represent the end of the king of the north.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that the sword was wrapped in the pelt of Grey Wolf when it was sent to Tywin Lannister.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)TorchTheWitch
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And sewn on to Robb's headless body at the Twins. Arya kills that guy in the forest because he was laughing with his buds about having such a hard time making it stay on. There's also a clip right after the Red Wedding outside the Twins of Robb's body wearing Grey Wind's head seated on a horse with soldiers dancing around it and laughing. Grey Wind would also have been huge like Ghost and Summer were since they were all the same age, but the pelt the great sword (large two-handed sword) that was Ned's "Ice" was just a regular sized adult wolf.
I also think Tywin tossing it on the fire was symbolic affirmation of the death/end of House Stark. But of course, he (and pretty much everyone else other than Sam) believe that both Bran and Rickon Stark are dead. Though it's believed that Sansa is the only one of the Stark children alive in actuality the only one of them that is dead is Robb.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)Bran with his prophetic gift.
Rickon--Talents unknown
Sansa--A good distraction, since everyone thinks she is what remains of the Stark lineage.
Arya--An army of one.
Jon Snow--Potential blood relative that will need their help.
rudolph the red
(666 posts)I just rewatched the very 1st episode, when Ned beheads the deserter we see him draw his sword from that wolf scabbard.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)That was the name Robb gave to his direwolf pup. The wolf pet scabbard would have been just a regular adult wolf.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)forgot that Grey Wind was beheaded.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)it was so busy.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)Righteous ending.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Only, Arya killed The Tickler in the book (the guy that Jaqen H'Gar killed on the show)
and, when she killed him in the book, she was screaming, "Is there gold in the village?" and other questions the Tickler asked when he was torturing people. She was so vicious that the Hound had to pull her off the dead Tickler.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)Arya and the Mountain were riding through fields of burning houses. Are we to assume that this was destruction left behind by the men they killed at the inn?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Polliver and his gang all were part of Gregor Clegane's "band" of soldiers/men at arms.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)that Tywin has take his men to burn and pillage the surrounding towns. It's his men that consist of the Tickler, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling, etc. It's the Mountain (Gregor Clegane) and his men that take over Harrenhall where they torture everyone and at the last moment Tywin shows up just as Gendry is about to be tortured and killed though in the books it's Roose Bolton that shows up and who Arya becomes the cupbearer for. I actually thought it was better with it being Tywin that Arya becomes the cupbearer for as they did it in the show.
It's Polliver that took Needle from Arya and killed Lommy with it when they were all captured while making their way with Yoren to The Wall. In the show it's Jaqen H'ghar that kills the Tickler, but in the books Arya kills the Tickler as well as a guard at the gate so her and Hotpie and Gendry can escape Harrenhall and also the guy laughing with his buddies in the forest bragging about how he has so much trouble keeping Grey Wind's severed head sewed on to Robb's body after the Red Wedding. That last guy in the show is the first adult person that Arya kills with the fat boy being her first rather by accident while she's hunting in that box of her things for Needle.
In the show the men at the inn are the Mountain's men that by that time are generally just raping the countryside having nothing much better to do since they took over Harrenhall. The Hound (Sandor Clegane) was burned as a child by his brother (the Mountain) who he has a life long hatred for because of it (but also because it was the Mountain that Tywin made a knight as well as one of the King's Guard that wear the white cloaks). Both the Hound and Arya are aware of who these men at the inn are and both have a burning hatred for them though for different reasons. The Hound hates them just because they're the men of his hated brother, but Arya hates them because of what they did to her and the people they tortured and killed especially Polliver that killed her friend Lommy and stole Needle from her.
In the book by this time Arya doesn't hate the Hound so much. She still hates him but she realizes that without her even knowing it she's dropped his name off of her nightly litany of the list of people she wants revenge on. In the tv show this appears to be the same though it's not really ever said. Personally, after watching all the seasons multiple times and reading the books twice (I'm actually on the third reading at this point almost at the end of book four) I still have a hard time remembering some things, like I can't even remember anymore why she hates the Hound specifically and put him on her list of people to get revenge on or who the hell Raff the Sweetling is other than one of the Mountain's men or why he's specifically on her list either and if he is in the tv show at all or just in the books. For that matter, I can't remember why she also has Ser Meryn Trent on her list though he's the one that was always beating up on Sansa at Joffrey's command, Arya wouldn't have known about that since she was already long gone. I think in the tv show Meryn isn't on her list anyway, but he is in the book.
*wee bitty teeny little spoiler here if you haven't read the books:
In the book just after this fight at the inn the Hound decides the best place to take her is to Lysa, Catylin's sister, at the Eyrie though he's doing it mostly in the hope of reward money since he's broke. But he does have a soft spot for both the Stark daughters in both the tv show and the books though he never comes out and says it, so he's probably also doing it to get Arya to safety. However, things once again don't go for Arya as planned.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)As for the spoiler, in the t.v. series the Hound did allude that he was taking her to Lysa. And he did say it was for the reward money.
But I like that fact that it also may happen to be the safest place for Arya right now. (Unless Lysa's son is wacky enough to present a bad situation.)
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)and then looked around to see if anyone noticed me getting that far into a TV show. lol Luckily my daughter was already in bed and my wife was snoring on the couch.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)This is her first acting job, but she's one of my favorite actors. Emilia Clark who plays Daenerys was also hired right out of drama school this also being her first acting job yet she's another of my favorite actors.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)And, from what I understand, they can escape unnoticed in their real lives unlike Joffrey.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)he's so good at being rotten that people haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate him...but I think he'll be OK as he's said this is his only acting gig and he'll ride it until it's done to make the money he needs to go to school and I believe he has plans to do good work. (I read something a while back but I forget the details - I just remember being impressed with the kid).
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and she plays a platinum blonde on TV, so that probably helps. She's also pretty petite - like 5'1", I believe.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)for quite some time watching an interview with her on YT because she looks like a totally different person with her naturally dark hair.
I feel pretty bad for the kid that plays Joffrey getting any harassment because his character is so hated (apparently Lena Headey who plays Cercei has gotten a bit of that as well). I watched an interview with him, and just like the other actors say about him he really does seem like a really nice guy. They both do such a great job at making you despise their characters though.
Funny short clip of Rory McCann (the actor that plays the Hound) on the character Joffrey...
I kind of wish I hadn't watched any interviews with Rory McCann because he's so funny and likable in real life that it makes me dislike the Hound as much. Truthfully though, I always did have a bit of liking for the Hound all through the tv series. I never got that feeling about watching interviews with Jack Gleason that plays Joffrey and still despise his character just as much as ever. Though I'll likely jump up and applaud when he gets it on the show after that I'll likely miss his foul presence just because he's soooo wonderfully hateable.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)and yes, also my favorites (well, and Tyrion) but the weird thing is I don't remember cheering for Daenerys this much when I was reading the books - but that was like 15 years ago and the whole show is practically brand new to me as I don't remember much more than the major themes from when I read them.
Daenerys getting her dragons back and Aria getting her pony (and that satisfied little smirk/smile) are, so far, tied for two of my favorite scenes from the show.
I'm a little bit scared though as I haven't read the newest 2 books and I'm gonna hate George RR Martin if he kills them.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Neither Daenerys nor Arya get killed in either one... they're too important characters to bump off unless at the very end of the book series for some reason.
I thought his splitting books four and five in the way he did by character/issue was really stupid since they also cut by time... most of book five deals with the same time period as book four, so you really aren't moving forward and having to sort of guess at what point the characters and issues you read about in book four are at in each phase of book five. Actually, you have to move all the way back to the time period where book four begins when starting book five. I'm shocked that the editors let him do it like that. There was what I felt a lot of wasted time on characters and places in book four that I could care less about and didn't see what importance or even interest they even have at all... specifically all the chapters about the Ironborn and the people in Dorne. I'm really glad I didn't even start reading any of the books until after all the ones written so far were already out.
Though my favorites in the TV series are Peter Dinklage's Tyrion and Charles Dance's Tywin, they're both long time experienced actors so I sort expected fine acting from them. I'm just really most impressed with the acting of Maisie Williams (Arya) and Emilia Clarke (Daenerys) since for the both of them they've never had any other acting jobs before. I have a lot of favorite scenes from the character Arya especially when she tells her father "stick 'em with the pointy end" and when she names Jaqen H'ghar's own name for him to kill. I like their characters a lot more in the show than I did in the books. I have to admit though that Kristian Nairn as Hodor is pretty damn amazing at only having a single word to say throughout yet can convey with that one word exactly what you know he's saying and thinking.
Solly Mack
(90,765 posts)I'm glad Arya got Needle back.
I still dislike everyone I've always disliked. Though I do have to admit to not disliking the Hound as much.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)getting you to hate somebody, only to have them at least somewhat redeem themselves.
Solly Mack
(90,765 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)However, a lot of people think differently of Jamie Lannister now. And another character - who shall remain nameless for non-book readers - has redeemed himself a bit.
I don't think Joffrey is redeemable, however. Viserys really wasn't, either.
Solly Mack
(90,765 posts)Though I'd certainly place his father, his sister and his son ahead of him on the worst list.
I do give him marks for saving Brienne. And I am not without understanding for his role in preventing the Wildfire plot.
I do hope his last known detour doesn't end badly because of a heart of stone. Though it would be only fair, I guess. Still, I don't think it would sit right with me.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I can just about guarantee it, as what happens after the wedding in the books is hugely important, and has already been shown (in brief) in parts of the trailers for the coming season.
Solly Mack
(90,765 posts)The sooner the better!
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Martin has turned me into Annie Wilkes from Misery
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I just pictured that in my head - Martin being captured by her and being forced to write the next book, only to have Annie come back and be outraged when a favorite character of hers dies.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Martin is portly and in his mid 60s, so I can't see him living until he's in his 90s.
I keep telling myself, this guy used to write for TV, so obviously knows deadlines somewhat...so, if the TV show is bearing down on him, he'll be pushed to write faster.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)I was expecting better, 2.5 out of 5.
blogslut
(38,000 posts)Still dug it because that little smile coming from Arya at the end was so enjoyable.
I enjoyed the scene. I was wondering how they'd pull it off with the Tickler having been killed by Jaqen H'gar.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)Arya's evolution as an assassin is coming at a reasonable speed.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)?
ETA: Why Yes! Yes I did!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2869309/?ref_=tt_cl_t6
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)THE Machiavelli.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)who got pinned by Needle is currently playing a character named Nico in Starz' show "DaVinci's Demons" and I believe Nico is THE Machiavelli.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)Arya remains the best Stark and Tyrion remains the best Lannister.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Can't stand Sansa. Although I do love me some Jon Snow, but then, he's probably a Targaryn and not a proper Stark anyhow.
I actually liked Arya and The Hound pairing up like this. He has redeemed himself. "A man's gotta have a code."
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)after the first two books. Hopefully, they'll portray that on the show.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Arya showing off her new "murder pony"
[link:http://happyplace.someecards.com/30451/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-4-episode-1|
Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)Didn't take any real wounds in the fight at the inn.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to market to Game of Thrones fans:
Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:30 PM - Edit history (1)
KFC Frak Pack promotion during the final season of the Reimagined Battlestar Galactica. The name stopped in a week or so once KFC learned what "Frak" meant in BSG.
Nothing beats the tomato soup commercial in that show, though...
EDIT: Actually, it was for crackers (just viewed it), but tomato soup played a huge part in it.