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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:31 PM

Could You Live in a 120-Square-Foot House?

By Susan Johnston | U.S.News & World Report LP 2 hours 32 minutes ago

Sage Radachowsky's 120-square foot house. (Photo: gypsyliving.org)When Kerri Fivecoat-Campbell and her husband moved from Kansas City to a 480-square-foot lake house in Northwest, Ark., they'd planned to build a larger house on the same property and use the existing house as an office and guesthouse.

Yet the recession convinced the couple to stick with the house they had and build another small space as an office and guesthouse. Fivecoat-Campbell says they're happy with a smaller footprint. "We live in an area where recreation is a big thing," she adds. "We like to be outdoors and spend time with the dogs and not have to maintain a big house. It's easier to take care of."

The constant upkeep and high expense of McMansions have made smaller homes appealing to many Americans. "People realize now if they live in a tiny house, they have more money left over to pay for other things," says Derek Diedricksen, a maker of small houses in Stoughton, Mass., and author of Humble Homes, Simple Shacks, Cozy Cottages, Ramshackle Retreats, Funky Forts: And Whatever the Heck Else We Could Squeeze in Here.

Costs for tiny homes can vary depending on factors like the materials and complexity of the design. "There are people who've gone out and built a modest house for $5,000 to $10,000 using Craigslist or free materials, but there are some that are more high-end, like rustic cabins," says Diedricksen.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/could-live-120-square-foot-162708227.html

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Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 OP
fizzgig Sep 2012 #1
Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #2
cbayer Sep 2012 #3
Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #5
krispos42 Sep 2012 #46
cbayer Sep 2012 #48
krispos42 Sep 2012 #49
cbayer Sep 2012 #51
RebelOne Sep 2012 #4
Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #6
HopeHoops Sep 2012 #7
Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #12
HopeHoops Sep 2012 #13
hollysmom Sep 2012 #27
HopeHoops Sep 2012 #29
hollysmom Sep 2012 #33
HopeHoops Sep 2012 #35
hollysmom Sep 2012 #36
HopeHoops Sep 2012 #41
hollysmom Sep 2012 #54
HopeHoops Sep 2012 #57
Odin2005 Sep 2012 #53
RebelOne Sep 2012 #43
HopeHoops Sep 2012 #56
Incitatus Sep 2012 #8
Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #11
hobbit709 Sep 2012 #9
Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #10
nolabear Sep 2012 #18
Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2012 #14
Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #15
tavernier Sep 2012 #16
ElboRuum Sep 2012 #17
NJCher Sep 2012 #24
RebelOne Sep 2012 #44
nolabear Sep 2012 #19
ellaydubya Sep 2012 #20
IrishEyes Sep 2012 #21
ThoughtCriminal Sep 2012 #22
hollysmom Sep 2012 #34
AngryAmish Sep 2012 #38
grasswire Sep 2012 #23
ThoughtCriminal Sep 2012 #25
Trajan Sep 2012 #26
Patiod Sep 2012 #28
sarge43 Sep 2012 #30
Baitball Blogger Sep 2012 #31
RebelOne Sep 2012 #45
geardaddy Sep 2012 #32
AngryAmish Sep 2012 #37
KamaAina Sep 2012 #39
Hayabusa Sep 2012 #40
Bertha Venation Sep 2012 #42
alphafemale Sep 2012 #47
laundry_queen Sep 2012 #50
Odin2005 Sep 2012 #52
LWolf Sep 2012 #55

Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:44 PM

1. doubtful

i'd have to dump the husband and cats and then i'd have to keep the place clean. i think i'd wind up losing what's left of my mind.

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Response to fizzgig (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:46 PM

2. I know. I find the concept intriguing though

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:03 PM

3. We were just talking about this with visitors.

I live in about 300 square feet and think it's just about exactly right, but could give up the guest room and get it down to about 225.

The biggest issue is access to the outside. I couldn't do it if it were crammed into a building full of small spaces and no ready access to outside spaces. As it is, I have lots of outside space.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:16 PM

5. yes, to have it sitting in nature would be the best, I think.

I have seen some nice smaller apts in the big cities, too.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:42 PM

46. Yeah, but you have that inflatable living room...

...you can just toss off the fantail and inflate

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #46)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:46 PM

48. The sea is my backyard and the water is perfect right now.

We don't have one, but a friend has what we call the party island.

He brings it out when he comes over and it's just like putting a new room on the house!


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Response to cbayer (Reply #48)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:53 PM

49. Or you can just drop anchor by an isolated beach. ;-)

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #49)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:17 PM

51. That is exactly what we did this afternoon, my friend.

There is no one anywhere near us and I can practice my brand new clarinet to my hearts content without anyone calling the sheriff!

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:09 PM

4. I live in one that is not too much larger.

My house is a mobile home that is 40 feet long by 10 feet wide. But that suits me just fine. It is all the less to clean and I am a lousy housekeeper.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:17 PM

6. less house work. yeah!

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:16 PM

7. Fuck no. We're hoarders. We've got about 3K sq. ft. and THAT's not enough.

 

Boxes, boxes, everywhere and not a drop to drink - well, except in the liquor cabinet.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:59 PM

12. why am I NOT surprised

of course you are a Hoarder

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:15 PM

13. Hey. you can NOT have enough sex toys.

 


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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 02:13 AM

27. I tried to have a garage sale, but no one came.

I went though a collectible phase and have a tone of plastic Snoopy key rings and ornaments. Not to mention 13 years of fantasy and science fiction magazines from the 60/70's

That just scratches the surface, I also have everything since I was 12, I only recently gave the clothes away to my niece, teen dog walker (jeans) and cousin's daughters.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:00 AM

29. The magazines will go quickly on eBay. So should the Snoopy stuff.

 

I'm working on ramping back up my eBay sales, but I have to confirm that all the pieces are still in place including the PayPal-bank exchange.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:50 PM

33. I have sold on e-bay for years, but stopped after they started the automated bidding,

People are not bidding as outrageously, they don't get drawn in, they just set the auto stuff and walk away.
Now they want you to provide free shipping and are making it more buyer friendly unless you are a bulk seller. They want a 30 day return policy.


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Response to hollysmom (Reply #33)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 01:16 PM

35. Yeah, that's a disturbing development, but the shipping change makes sense.

 

It isn't "free shipping", it is just that they charge their commission on the final sale price WITH shipping. That makes sense because a lot of sellers were shorting on the price and inflating the shipping charges to minimize the commission hit. And yes, you have to provide a means for the buyer to regain the money for a bad deal, but PayPal qualifies for that so it's a minimal risk. That's the stuff I'm reviewing now before getting back into it and I've got a SHITLOAD of stuff to sell.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:45 PM

36. Me too

I have already had an accident that killed me (resuscitated, thank you) and am old with several diseases, basically my family has threatened to come by with a dumpster if I die, so I have to get rid of my 5 boxes of German glass ornaments, coin collections, vintage clothes, antique furniture (was new when I bought it), and boxes and boxes of vintage magazines while I can. I have already donated all my books, except the ones I am reading to the library - 6 book cases of them and gifted the leather/gold embossed books(used to work near a book outlet and had all kinds of art books) to nieces and nephews. There are still 5 computers (have to take out the hard drives and trash already - gifted 4 to other people last year). If my niece moves into her own place, maybe I can get rid of one of my sets of dishes (2 that are used regularly, one in the attic I need to sell) and the extra set of flatware - since I don't entertain with huge dinner parties anymore.

OK, I am going to donate a lot of stuff this year, I need to do that. Thanks for getting me in shape to do that.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:59 PM

41. I've got about 25 CRT monitors in the basement. I understand. And I've been close to death too.

 

Seizures on my end, but another one could do me in. With the first one, the doctors were certain I wouldn't make it. I'm a stubborn bastard. I've got a lot of toys I'm saving for grandkids (if I live that long) and boxes and boxes of my writings, books, and a shitload of pure crap. I can't even lift a 22 lb dog anymore, so getting at the boxes requires help. There's a market out there, but it does take work. I won't use Craig's List because it's become a haven for scam artists on both sides of the deal. If you do go that route, insist on a highly trafficked public parking lot for the meeting. We just had an incident about six months ago where they killed a guy over $40 or so.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #41)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:30 PM

54. I agree, I am so scared of Craigs list.

Especially as an old woman living alone. I have had enough trouble with repairmen threatening me when I was younger, now I only hire after the architect next door recommends someone. .I pay more but don't feel threatened like I was when I hired a painting company and they sent excons that refused to match the pain and threatened violence when I complained.
Note: not saying all ex-cons are bad or they should not be hired, but that they should not send bullies out to customers. For weeks after that, I would find nails in my driveway, I think they threw a box out there every day. I had to sweep my over 100 foot driveway before leaving for work in the morning or coming back at night.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #54)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 10:09 AM

57. I was a handyman for three years. I look like Tommy Chong. But I treated people well.

 

That was actually my problem - I was too ethical for the business and didn't charge what I should have, but mostly because I rated my work on what I would pay for it. I WAS however good at it. One elderly woman called me to repair her kitchen screen door. All it needed was a new screw to hold the return lever in place (2 minutes, including finding the right screw). Then she spent 20 minutes talking to me (lonely) and when I refused to accept payment for putting in a single screw she wanted to give me half of the peaches she'd been peeling and cutting for probably two hours. I politely declined.

The home repair business is nasty to begin with. There are too many people looking to scam you, and one of the best is the two-man job where the first gets you involved in something while the second raids the house in another area. Then there's the "I was doing (whatever) for a neighbor and have some leftover (whatever, but usually diluted driveway sealant) scam.

Even when we picked up our two free kittens, we met the owner in a public place. It's just good practice. If you do use Craig's List, have someone go with you and definitely make it a public location.

As for ex-cons, not all are bad by any means. A lot of time they just got picked up for drug offenses and cleaned out in prison. There are far more non-violent offenders in jail than violent ones. But yes, the bully technique is way out of line.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:10 PM

53. If you are ever in the Fargo area donate those sci-fi mags to the thrift store I work at!

They will be gone within a week!

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:22 PM

43. Fortunately, I have an attached garage,

so there is plenty of room for storage.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #43)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 09:56 AM

56. So do I - 1 1/2 car size - and it's full. Of course, that includes my full-size power tools.

 

There's a 24" radial arm saw, a scroll saw, a router table, a 96" bandsaw, a full-size drill press, and a shitload of smaller power tools along with work benches and storage shelving for (mostly) the tool accessories. And then there's the refrigerator (mostly used for beer, wine, extra milk, and auxiliary storage. Toss in the rolling mechanics tool chest, all of my stock wood, all of the bicycles, the garden tools and equipment, and well, it's full.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:36 PM

8. Yes

But I wouldn't

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:58 PM

11. ha!

I know, right.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:56 PM

9. i've been in jail cells that were larger.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:57 PM

10. ! do tell --

you can not stop there!!

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:38 PM

18. Oh yes, DO.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 04:12 PM

14. I got too many books.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 04:17 PM

15. That's like asking me if I could live in a small bedroom. Depends -

is that bedroom part of a house? or is the bedroom all there is - door leads to outside.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 06:56 PM

16. Sure. I live on a boat. n/t

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:36 PM

17. No.

Yeah, just no.

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Response to ElboRuum (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:34 PM

24. Not just no

Hell no.

I would hate having to pick up after myself after every single thing I did, which is a requirement when living in a space like that.

I have way too many interests and stuff that is needed to indulge those interests.



Cher





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Response to NJCher (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:26 PM

44. Well, at least you can keep the house neat.

I have a spare bedroom in my trailer, which doubles as a computer room. So I stuff everything in there that I do not know what to do with.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:39 PM

19. Oh hell no. Not voluntarily.

Cute, though. I'd love it for a writing studio. Btw where are the kitchen and bath?

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:50 PM

20. Yes, I could.

It would be tight- I would prefer another couple of hundred square feet but I do know I need much less space than I always thought I did. Simplify, simplify, simplify!

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 07:54 PM

21. Yeah, I could do that.

I live in an apartment in New York City. Small spaces are not a problem.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:53 PM

22. Yes - in the right climate

I've been looking at eventually downsizing to a small RV.

It's actually easier than it used to be. Portable devices, good camping equipment and improved solar are making it more practical every year.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:53 PM

34. I have a small RV at the beach -

when it rains I get severe cabin fever. When anyone stays with me, I have claustrophobia attacks. The dog has no "space" for herself, so had declared ownership of the bed, sand and all.

Maybe a medium sized RV would be better.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #34)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:51 PM

38. You and Jim Rockford!

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:26 PM

23. our 625 sq ft seems very very roomy

A border collie and two cats. Way more space than we really need. Nobody feels crowded at all. Perhaps that's due to a huge window wall, a huge lawn and a spectacular view.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:48 PM

25. Exterior and kitchen

For those who are wondering there are more pictures and video here:
http://gypsyliving.org/




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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:54 PM

26. The Tiny House movement is alive and well ....

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Response to Trajan (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:46 AM

28. I love looking at that website

We are two large people (both about 6') and lived in a tiny one-bedroom apartment in a carriage house attic for about 15 years. It had a little deck that was like an extra room in warm weather. Tiny bathroom, small galley kitchen. We were happy as pie, and very comfortable. People were shocked that we lived somewhere so small (we did have a lot of under-rafter storage which the average city or Small House dweller wouldn't have)

I just inherited my parents' average-sized 1960s split level, and we're still not used to all the room. And how tough it is to keep clean!

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:19 AM

30. By myself probably

With spousal unit, King of the Pack Rats? Extremely unlikely, violence could ensue.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:54 AM

31. It would take too much discipline for me to live in a small space.

I need a room just for the books.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:29 PM

45. My living room is full of books and lots of them in the garage. n/t

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 11:59 AM

32. I think I could.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:48 PM

37. Myself? Yes.

But four of us, one 4.5 and one 1.5, no.

Speaking of the little one's, here is lil AA's newest job:

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:51 PM

39. Could You Live In A 220-Square-Foot Apartment?

That's the question San Franciscans are asking themselves as The City cosiders allowing apartments that small.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/SF-could-OK-among-tiniest-apartments-in-US-3889766.php

Under the plan, new apartments could be as small as 220 square feet (a little more than double the size of some prison cells), including a kitchen, bathroom and closet, the Los Angeles Times reported (http://lat.ms/QOriDh )....

The micro-units, in contrast, are expected to rent for $1,200 to $1,700 a month, San Francisco Supervisor Scott Wiener told the Los Angeles Times. Wiener drafted the legislation for the smaller apartments....

"This has to be a pilot project and allow for further study before we end up like Singapore," said Sara Shortt, executive director of the tenants' rights group, Human Rights Committee of San Francisco.

Singapore authorities recently raised minimum dwelling sizes because of concerns about congestion. Some critics want San Francisco to follow the example of New York City and first test a small number of the units. New York City's micro-units also have a higher minimum-size requirement.




Also, for sloppy reporting. There is no place called Northwest, Ark. Northwest Arkansas is the region of the state centered around Fayetteville.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:58 PM

40. I think my comics alone take up 120 square feet

So, I'm going to have to say "No".

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:32 PM

42. Heh. It's tempting. However

with us currently living in 1400 sq ft upstairs, and six cat boxes downstairs (for ten cats), I don't think it's plausible.

But I do like the idea.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:44 PM

47. By myself and if there was outside space....probably. nt

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:13 PM

50. Probably not

That's a bit too small. And lived for 6 months in an RV with a husband and 3 kids (32 ft 5th wheel) while our house was being built so I don't have issues with small spaces. I've looked at all those cute little houses from 60 to 150 sq ft ( http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/ ) and I'm not sure I could deal with one THAT small. I think, for me, when my kids are gone (I'm now single) 400 sq feet would be plenty, but 120 sq ft I'm not sure I could deal with it. I need a regular size bath tub and room in the living area to do yoga or work out. I like to stretch out once in awhile. Maybe if I lived in a more temperate climate but when you are stuck inside 5 months out of the year, yeesh.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:07 PM

52. Not enough room for my books.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Original post)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 08:33 AM

55. If I never had company

and were willing to transition my entire library to digital.

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