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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:04 PM Aug 2015

"Colleges Train for Work, Not Thought"....What Does Anyone Think of This?..

Colleges Train for Work, Not Thought


Uploaded on Aug 17, 2015
Professor Larry Wilkerson discusses the latest in the high cost of college and the increasing role universities play in prepping a work force rather than an intellect force

Bio
Lawrence Wilkerson is a retired United States Army soldier and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell. Wilkerson is an adjunct professor at the College of William & Mary where he teaches courses on US national security. He also instructs a senior seminar in the Honors Department at the George Washington University entitled "National Security Decision Making."


Interviewer:

Jared A. Ball is a father and husband. After that he is a multimedia host, producer, journalist and educator. Ball is also a founder of "mixtape radio" and "mixtape journalism" about which he wrote I MiX What I Like: A MiXtape Manifesto (AK Press, 2011) and is co-editor of A Lie of Reinvention: Correcting Manning Marable's Malcolm X (Black Classic Press, 2012). Ball is an associate professor of communication studies at Morgan State University in Baltimore, Maryland and can be found online at IMIXWHATILIKE.ORG.

Full Transcript at This Link if you'd rather Read than Watch:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=14491

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"Colleges Train for Work, Not Thought"....What Does Anyone Think of This?.. (Original Post) KoKo Aug 2015 OP
The free market don't want no thinkers. zeemike Aug 2015 #1
Absolutely true. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #2
Yes. It's a great example of what economists call "externalities." RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #7
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #8
The cover story in the latest Harper's sounds a related note RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #3
Thanks for the follow up! KoKo Aug 2015 #5
You're welcome! Thanks for the OP! RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #6
Thinkers zentrum Aug 2015 #4
The trail seems to lead quite clearly back to Ronald Reagan... xocet Aug 2015 #9
It goes back at least to the Powell Memo ... eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #11
Thanks for the links to those interesting posts and to the article on the Powell Memo. n/t xocet Aug 2015 #12
Here is a NYT article on Reagan's ideas - it predates the Powell Memo by several years... xocet Aug 2015 #13
Not too surprising that Reagan was an independent innovator of evil. eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #14
we have known this for decades now. niyad Aug 2015 #10
starts well before college GreatGazoo Aug 2015 #15
$85K ?? You made me laugh !! eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #16
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
2. Absolutely true.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:29 PM
Aug 2015

I think it is symbiotic: Companies used to hire people and then train them; now they want want schools to do it. And if schools focus on that, they aren't focusing on teaching people to think. It's all about people serving the economy, itself of vice versa. And to quote the late great Molly Ivins, elites don't want our kids educated, they wanted them "trained."

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
7. Yes. It's a great example of what economists call "externalities."
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:01 PM
Aug 2015

In the pathological pursuit of profits, corporations are constantly looking for new ways to shirk responsibilities and avoid costs by pushing them out to society as a whole.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
3. The cover story in the latest Harper's sounds a related note
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:30 PM
Aug 2015

The article is called, "How College Sold Its Soul ... And Surrendered to the Market."

This gives you an overview of the article:

The paramount obligation of a college is to develop in its students the ability to think clearly and independently, and the ability to live confidently, courageously, and hopefully.” This text appeared on banners scattered around the elite liberal-arts college where William Deresiewicz, the author of this month’s cover story, recently spent a semester teaching. Attributed to the college’s founder, the quote sums up what has long been understood as the mission of a liberal-arts education: to teach students how to think. And it is precisely this mission that Deresiewicz fears is being undermined in the age of neoliberalism, which, he writes, “reduces all values to money values.” The purpose of education today is to produce producers. As a result, the percentage of college students majoring in English, as well as the physical sciences, is dropping, while the percentage of those who graduate with degrees in vocational fields—business or communications—rises. “Learning for its own sake, curiosity for its own sake, ideas for their own sake”: these are the values now under attack at the very institutions where they should be nurtured.


http://harpers.org/blog/2015/08/introducing-the-september-issue/

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
6. You're welcome! Thanks for the OP!
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:57 PM
Aug 2015

As you may know, I'm a big fan of TRNN. And also of Harper's!

Two rare breaths of fresh air amidst the general media miasma.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
9. The trail seems to lead quite clearly back to Ronald Reagan...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:16 AM
Aug 2015
THE CUTTING EDGE
The Educational Legacy of Ronald Reagan
by Gary K. Clabaugh

...

What is that legacy? Let’s begin with a look at his record as governor of California. While running for the governorship, Mr. Reagan shrewdly made the most of disorder on University of California campuses. For instance, he demanded a legislative investigation of alleged Communism and sexual misconduct at the University of California at Berkeley. He insisted on public hearings, claiming “a small minority of hippies, radicals and filthy speech advocates” had caused disorder and that they should “be taken by the scruff of the neck and thrown off campus—permanently.”(1)

Once elected, Mr. Reagan set the educational tone for his administration by

calling for an end to free tuition for state college and university students
• annually demanding 20 percent across-the-board cuts in higher education funding(2)
• repeatedly slashing construction funds for state campuses
• engineering the firing of Clark Kerr, the highly respected president of the University of California
declaring that the state “should not subsidize intellectual curiosity”(3)

And Mr. Reagan certainly did not let up on the criticisms of campus protesters that had aided his election. His denunciations of student protesters were both frequent and particularly venomous. He called protesting students “brats,” “freaks,” and “cowardly fascists.” And when it came to “restoring order” on unruly campuses he observed, “If it takes a bloodbath, let’s get it over with. No more appeasement!”

Several days later four Kent State students were shot to death during a protest rally. In the aftermath of this tragedy Mr. Reagan declared his remark was only a “figure of speech.” He added that anyone who was upset by it was “neurotic.”(4) One wonders if his reaction reveals him as a demagogue or merely unfeeling.

...

http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ684842.pdf

eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
11. It goes back at least to the Powell Memo ...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:41 PM
Aug 2015

DUgle "Powell Memo" or "Powell Manifesto" ... e.g. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025400732 ... Reagan, a True Believer, was the first politician to really put the power of the US govt at the service of big business in pursuit of the goals expressed in the Powell Memorandum.

For the Powell Memo itself, see http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/ . A useful discussion in terms of education is at http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023038295

xocet

(3,871 posts)
13. Here is a NYT article on Reagan's ideas - it predates the Powell Memo by several years...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:25 PM
Aug 2015

Beyond the article's abstract is not accessible without registering/subscribing:


Gov. Reagan Proposes Cutback In U. of California Appropriation; Would Impose Tuition Charge on Students From State
Kerr Weighs New Post

By WALLACE TURNER Special to The New York Times;
January 07, 1967

BERKELEY, Calif., Jan. 6 Gov. Ronald Reagan wants to cut the state appropriation proposed for the University of California next year. He also wants to end a century-old tradition of free education by requiring tuition payments that would help finance the school.

...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9401E4D7133CE43BBC4F53DFB766838C679EDE


Here is another interesting article - unfortunately, I am a bit short on primary sources...


From Master Plan to No Plan: The Slow Death of Public Higher Education
Aaron Bady and Mike Konczal | Fall 2012

The California student movement has a slogan that goes, “Behind every fee hike, a line of riot cops.” And no one embodies that connection more than the Ronald Reagan of the 1960s. Elected governor of California in 1966 after running a scorched-earth campaign against the University of California, Reagan vowed to “clean up that mess in Berkeley,” warned audiences of “sexual orgies so vile that I cannot describe them to you,” complained that outside agitators were bringing left-wing subversion into the university, and railed against spoiled children of privilege skipping their classes to go to protests. He also ran on an anti-tax platform and promised to put the state’s finances in order by “throw[ing] the bums off welfare.” But it was the University of California at Berkeley that provided the most useful political foil, crystallizing all of his ideological themes into a single figure for disorder, a subversive menace of sexual, social, generational, and even communist deviance.

When Reagan assumed office, he immediately set about doing exactly what he had promised. He cut state funding for higher education, laid the foundations for a shift to a tuition-based funding model, and called in the National Guard to crush student protest, which it did with unprecedented severity. But he was only able to do this because he had already successfully shifted the political debate over the meaning and purpose of public higher education in America. The first “bums” he threw off welfare were California university students. Instead of seeing the education of the state’s youth as a patriotic duty and a vital weapon in the Cold War, he cast universities as a problem in and of themselves—both an expensive welfare program and dangerously close to socialism. He even argued for the importance of tuition-based funding by suggesting that if students had to pay, they’d value their education too much to protest.

It’s important to remember this chapter in California history because it may, in retrospect, have signaled the beginning of the end of public higher education in the United States as we’d known it. It’s true that when the Great Recession began in 2008, state budgets crumbled under a crippling new fiscal reality and tuition and debt levels began to skyrocket. It was also in the context of the California student movement that the slogan “Occupy Everything, Demand Nothing” first emerged, in 2009, when students occupied campus buildings in protest against budget cuts, tuition hikes, and staff cutbacks, and were crushed by the same kind of overwhelming police force that was later mobilized against Occupy encampments across the country. But while university administrators have blamed budgetary problems on state legislatures—and scapegoated individual police officers, like the now-notorious (and former) UC-Davis “pepper spray cop,” for “overreactions”—these scenarios are déjà vu all over again for those with long memories. When Mitt Romney urges Americans to “get as much education as they can afford,” or when university administrators call the police as their first response to student protest, it’s Ronald Reagan’s playbook they’re working from.

Books such as Christopher Newfield’s Unmaking the Public University connect the dots between the post-’64 cultural politics of neoconservative backlash and the rise of Reagan as its standard bearer, but advocates of public education have been playing defense for so long that the vision animating the first century of American public education can be difficult to recall, much less recover or put forward persuasively. Thanks to the Reagan revolution, in short, we’ve forgotten that the United States was building public schools and universities for a lot longer than it has been letting them crumble. If we want to tell a different story than the decline of public education—and especially if we want to see it rise again—it behooves us to move past Reagan and the backlash, and to think more clearly about what they destroyed, and what we’ve lost.

...

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/from-master-plan-to-no-plan-the-slow-death-of-public-higher-education

eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
14. Not too surprising that Reagan was an independent innovator of evil.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:48 PM
Aug 2015

Will have to read that whole article; the last para of the excerpt is particularly poignant.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
15. starts well before college
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:08 AM
Aug 2015

College is an archaic system, not efficient, not cost effective and not responsive to the customer. Kids are pushed into college like lemmings.

There is nothing magical about sitting in a lecture hall 3x a week and taking two tests in 10 weeks. Nothing happens in that process, which was developed before electric lighting, that couldn't happen in more modern settings.

If you pay money to sit in a lecture hall and listen to a guy making $85K while the college pays the football coach $3mil+ what do you expect ?

eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
16. $85K ?? You made me laugh !!
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:59 PM
Aug 2015

Try half that, ***IF*** you're lucky enough to get a temporary full-time position. More likely, it will be temporary (term-to-term), part-time, paying a few thousand per course. Colleges simply are not hiring tenure-track people when they can hire NTT instead, and not hiring full-time as long as there are part-timers available -- and there are thousands of unemployed/underemployed instructors for every college subject out there.

UA sure as Hell isn't paying that much, nor is that other football school, Auburn. I've worked for UAH and UNA and both were possible only because I didn't have to pay rent.

Don't be misled by AAUP salary surveys -- they only cover full-time positions, and those are rapidly becoming a small minority.

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