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Related: About this forumThe Biggest Lie of Obama’s Presidency: The TPP
The TPP is inching closer and closer to becoming a reality, and President Obama is staking his entire legacy on this disaster of a trade deal and the big winners will be corporations that will send our jobs overseas. Ring of Fires Mike Papantonio and Sam Seder discuss this.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Every call you make to your Reps, Sens and WH is worth 4,000 constituents voices, so call.
Whitehouse Comments: 202-456-1111
United States Capitol switchboard: 202-224-3121
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... if this process can be warped in to being used by a majority party in both houses a long with a president in to having unstoppable legislative powers if TPA allows loopholes for this ruling party to classify every bill as a "trade bill" and therefore immune to being filibustered.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026920569
Perhaps we can get congress right now to protect both parties' interests and say that the PROCESS is better served if cloture votes can be put back in to TPA, even if the no amendments, etc. language is left in. That or have a very visible and clear policy of what constitutes a trade bill for everyone to know and judge on whether one party will be made too powerful or not. If none of these, at least we can talk to voters in our GOTV efforts that those that voted these bills in to law if they are very damaged goods should be kicked out and replaced with someone else who is more interested in preserving our democratic processes.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)There's lots of people out there who don't know enough about this. If you're in a red area, reference obamatrade.com, as Thom Hartmann has been doing.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)So, call or write letters to the Editor or your Senators and Representatives and the President. Tell neighbors, friends, coworkers how bad TPP is. Just spread it, whatever way works.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)I will be dead not too long from now but I fear for my disabled sons whose jobs are difficult enough to find in a country with no conscience.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)I've always liked the way both he and Thom Hartmann are able to explain issues without regard to "team player" tribalism.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Great term and it applies.. It's OK if our reps lie to us about key issues, because we're still better than the other guys.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . so all is forgiven!
Darb
(2,807 posts)the exact portions of TPP that are sooooo terrible? I don't mean anecdotal "this will happen" or "that will happen". I want to know exactly what part of TPP that you so vehemently object to. Please, provide the exact language from the deal that is so objectionable.
I voted for Barack Obama because I trust his judgement regarding things like this, healthcare reform, etc. etc. He has ALL the pertinent information, which we NEVER do, and I trust his judgement. So please, document your objections.
I will wager that you have got jack shit.
I don't know enough about this subject to comment intelligently. And the vehement, definitive claims for disaster haven't convinced me, as they're not attached to any documented facts -- just doom and gloom speculation. There might be truth to the claims, but I've heard such warnings before (Obama will betray us by dismantling SS, etc. which proved to be utter B.S.) So without specific details, I'm skeptical. Could ODS apply to the Left, too? Looks like that to me.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Maybe someone will step up, but I doubt it.
Hello? Hello? Are you out there?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)TPP would grant foreign corporation shocking new powers to attack the laws we rely on for a clean environment, safe food and decent jobs. Under TPP, these corporations could sneak around our courts and laws and grab millions in our tax dollars all because they dont like our laws. How could this be possible?
TPP gives foreign firms special privileges better treatment than local companies. It empowers foreign corporations to drag the U.S. government in front of secretive foreign tribunals comprised of 3 private attorneys authorized to order massive payments. There is no outside appeal to these tribunals dictates. And there is no limit on the laws the corporations can attack or the amount of our tax dollars the government can be ordered to pay when the foreign corporations think that their special TPP rights have been undermined by the laws all of the rest of us have to meet.
This crazy system of extreme corporate privileges is called the "investor-state" regime. It give an individual foreign corporation equal status with the entire U,S, federal government - allowing the foreign firms to privately enforce a public treaty. The three corporate lawyers who act as judges are unaccountable to any electorate. And, many rotate between suing governments for corporations and acting as the "judges." They apply the law of TPP and World Bank and UN arbitration rules U.S. laws and courts are cast aside even though U.S. laws are being attacked.
http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPPImpacts_CorpPowerAttacks.html
or this one:
Even if the law that a foreign corporation wants struck down serves a clear and legitimate public interest and has been properly enacted, ISDS clauses decree that the corporation wins its case simply if it shows that the government's law might restrict the "expected future profits" of corporate investors.
http://www.hightowerlowdown.org/tpp#.VZL-qFL9mpo
That should be enough to make you say "Hey.Wait a minute. I'm NOT OK with this."