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[Jack Rabbit]

1. Surprise, surprise

Ukrainian ultra-nationalists, or neo-Nazis, if you prefer, participated in the Maidan.

Russian ultra-nationalists, or neo-Nazis, if you prefer, have participated in the "separatist" movement, which seeks to reunite at least parts of the Ukraine with Russia, which once enslaved all of Ukraine in its empire.

The conflict in Ukraine is a nationalist conflict, and no one should act surprised that ultra-nationalists are found on either side. Nationalist conflicts attract ultra-nationalists, or neo-Nazis, if you prefer, like dog shit attracts flies.

You shouldn't be surprised.

If you look at the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, also between competing nationalist groups, has some pretty unsavory right wingers on either side. Ultra-nationalists? That's right, on both sides. Do you mean Netanyahu is an ultra-nationalist, Mr. Rabbit? Yep. And Palestinians? Yep; what else do you call someone fighting over territory who wants to drive another national group into the sea? Or east of the Allenby Bridge?

It's no surprise in the Middle East; it's no surprise in Ukraine.

Anyone who tries to tell you that there are only neo-Nazis on one side of a nationalist conflict is trying to sell you a used car. Don't buy it.

[zeemike]

2. Yes but they are our neo nazis.

on our side, that makes it different.

[FBaggins]

3. Is that what pases for logic at the Kremlin these days?

A Republican congressman putting words in Nuland's mouth and then lying about what it means?

Similarly logical (i.e., "not&quot is their claim that the U.S. is allied with Al-Qaeda and that we should cheer for Putin.

Some of the rest of the transcript that the Russian propaganda outlet failed to broadcast:

Mr. Rohrabacher. I have one last question before my time is
totally up and that is were those--the neo-Nazi groups that we
are talking about here, which, again, were not dominating this.

There were very many, very good people, like you say, out
demonstrating against this deal with Russia. They wanted to go
with more of a European country than a pro-Russian country.

But those people who were not the good guys, but were part
of that effort to push that country in that direction, were any
of those neo-Nazi groups affiliated with any other Nazi groups
in other countries?

Ms. Nuland. Congressman, what I can tell you--I don't know
what the answer to that specific question with regard to the
early period is.

What I can tell you is that in the violence and separatism
that we have seen in the recent months, we have also seen
recruiting on the neo-Nazi and fascist sites in Russia for
volunteers to go participate in the seizing of buildings in
Eastern Ukraine and the Ukrainians report stopping very large
numbers of such people at the Ukrainian-Russian borders.

Mr. Rohrabacher. I am sure. But you haven't seen that--any
evidence that there are people in Western Europe--neo-Nazi
groups that were supporting their brothers in Ukraine?


Ms. Nuland. I don't have any information to corroborate
that. But I would refer you to the Ukrainians as they
investigate these incidents of violence.

[Eko]

4. Wow, that is a scathing indictment.

Unless, maybe, we can find instances of progressive groups here with Nazis supporting them or even joining them. If we did and then used the same logic, that means the progressive group are Nazis. Hmmmmm.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/grand-wizard-of-the-kkk-endorses-ows-neo-nazis-patrol-occupyphoenix-with-ar-15s-media-silent/
http://whitehonor.com/white-power/the-occupy-wall-street-movement/
http://www.politicalresearch.org/2014/02/23/the-right-hand-of-occupy-wall-street-from-libertarians-to-nazis-the-fact-and-fiction-of-right-wing-involvement/#

[DeSwiss]

5. The only ''Bad Nazi'' the U.S. has ever seen......

...are the ones of no value or who got away to the Soviets. We've financed them from the beginning. And then hired them after that little dustup in Europe back in the 40s. Now we use them a contract soldiers and states-wo/men.

- In addition to getting us to the moon, here's some of the other great things they did for us, they showed us what they learned in Auschwitz.

Unethical human experimentation in the United States

Nazi Style Human Experimentation By U.S. Government

K&R

[840high]

6. No surprise.

[Igel]

7. They're fools.

Most say there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

They also point out that some of Putin's friends are neo-Nazis.

Then again, there are neo-Nazis in the US.

It's not "involved" that's at issue. It's "who's driving."

It's those who say that a couple of points support in the polls = clear majority, or that "presence = domination" that have problems. Because then they're stuck with Putin being a the puppets of neo-Nazis, and Obama himself being the supporter of a neo-Nazi government.

Not even much of a straw-man there. Mostly just a whopping whole/part fallacy run rampant.

Dobro pozhalovat'. A teper',doroga skatert'yu.

[DeSwiss]

8. Some of everybody's friends are Nazis.....

...we're all connected with 'em. Humanity? We don't get to pick and choose.

- I know, eww!