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countryjake

(8,554 posts)
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:54 AM Sep 2014

Democracy Now! No Charges in Ohio Police Killing of John Crawford...

No Charges in Ohio Police Killing of John Crawford as Wal-Mart Tape Contradicts 911 Caller's Account



http://www.democracynow.org/2014/9/25/no_charges_in_ohio_police_killing

Published on Sep 25, 2014

An Ohio grand jury has declined to indict the white police officer who fatally shot John Crawford. A 22-year-old African American, Crawford was killed inside a Wal-Mart store last month after a caller phoned police to accuse him of brandishing a gun and pointing it at other customers. In fact, Crawford had picked up an unloaded BB air rifle on a shelf, an item that is sold in the store. Newly released surveillance footage shows major discrepancies between a 911 caller's account, and what really happened. The Justice Department now says it will launch a federal review to determine if Crawford's civil rights were violated. We are joined by two guests: Rashad Robinson, executive director of Color of Change, a national organization that has campaigned for Wal-Mart to release the surveillance tapes, and James Hayes, founding member of the Ohio Student Association, which has been organizing protests over the shooting.


"It's not real."

LeeCee Johnson, who was on the phone with John Crawford—this is the mother of his two children—when police shot him. "It’s not real." Johnson says those were Crawford’s last words.
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Democracy Now! No Charges in Ohio Police Killing of John Crawford... (Original Post) countryjake Sep 2014 OP
I have held back jugement until this vidio was available Nobel_Twaddle_III Sep 2014 #1
One paranoid idiot caller and one cop who failed to tell him to put the weapon down Warpy Sep 2014 #2
I understand what you are saying, but as the white father of black sons that is not good enough Nobel_Twaddle_III Sep 2014 #3
No, it's not. Warpy Sep 2014 #4
no, and it i cry Nobel_Twaddle_III Sep 2014 #5
Ritchie should be criminally prosecuted . . . markpkessinger Sep 2014 #6
thank you warpy Nobel_Twaddle_III Sep 2014 #7
If you are white you are probably not going to get shot Billy Budd Sep 2014 #9
Damn right adieu Sep 2014 #11
The reason Ohio AG DeWine waited almost two months to release the tapes... countryjake Sep 2014 #12
This whole business of whether a cop "reasonably believes" his life is in danger . . . markpkessinger Sep 2014 #8
Another DUer posted this week that John Crawford was "swatted"... countryjake Sep 2014 #13
jesus Mary and Joseph marym625 Sep 2014 #16
Racism. No doubt. Android3.14 Sep 2014 #10
Yup. Those cops might have rushed in, but a white person wouldn't have been shot. countryjake Sep 2014 #14
couldn't agree more. marym625 Sep 2014 #15

Nobel_Twaddle_III

(323 posts)
1. I have held back jugement until this vidio was available
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:35 AM
Sep 2014

This is murder !
nothing short of that
.
My government wants me to be afraid of ISIL or ISIS, NO !
I am more afraid of those hire with my tax dollars to protect and serve me then I am muslin men halfway around the planet. Our police, Deputy’s and State Patrol have killed more of us then any terrorist has since 9/11.
It is time to demand a change.

Warpy

(111,415 posts)
2. One paranoid idiot caller and one cop who failed to tell him to put the weapon down
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:06 AM
Sep 2014

added up to murder.

I hope that asshole who called 911 is haunted by this for the rest of his rotten life. Ditto the cop who violated procedure.

I also hope the Feds revisit this one.

Warpy

(111,415 posts)
4. No, it's not.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:13 AM
Sep 2014

I hope there is a civil suit against that Ritchie character. Something needs to be done about paranoid, racist assholes who overstate things to 911 and to cops who believe a caller over their own eyes.

markpkessinger

(8,409 posts)
6. Ritchie should be criminally prosecuted . . .
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:24 AM
Sep 2014

. . . for making a false police report. Watching the two videos synched together, there is absolutely no reasonable basis for Ritchie to have believed the things he was reporting to the 911 dispatcher.

 

Billy Budd

(310 posts)
9. If you are white you are probably not going to get shot
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:19 AM
Sep 2014

Look in Tennessee a gun nut in bullet proof vest was strutting near a school heavily armed ....no one shot him no one arrested no one did anything to him...its when you are Black that our system becomes murderous....its not just the cop perpetrators it is the Sgt Schultz Justice system tht says " I see nothing I know nothing "

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
11. Damn right
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:28 PM
Sep 2014

The war isn't in the Middle East. It's in the Midwest. The killers aren't covered head to toe in black. Oh wait, yes they are. They're the police in riot gear. And they're also using unused US military gear left from the previous Iraq War.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
12. The reason Ohio AG DeWine waited almost two months to release the tapes...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:51 PM
Sep 2014

was so that people like you and me would not see what he, Piepmeier, and the Beavercreek Police Department already knew.

Nothing was "reasonable" or "justified" in the lightning-fast shooting of John Crawford, a young black man casually shopping in a Walmart on a summer evening. Those cops conducted a murderous ambush of a shopper who had absolutely no idea that he should fear for his safety.

Change begins with demanding justice in cases such as this, murders so obviously sparked by racially biased cops that the Feds must become involved.

Justice for John Crawford III.

markpkessinger

(8,409 posts)
8. This whole business of whether a cop "reasonably believes" his life is in danger . . .
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:41 AM
Sep 2014

. . . really needs to be reconsidered, because what it has resulted in is that cops are effectively relieved of any responsibility to make even so much as a preliminary assessment of a situation before arriving at a conclusion that his or her life is in danger. It's basically an authorization to shoot first and ask questions later. If these laws are allowed to stand, what is to prevent, say, a guy who has a grudge against his neighbor from calling in a thoroughly bogus police report against that neighbor in the hope that police, having determined even prior to arriving at the scene that their lives will be in danger, will take that neighbor out? People talk about the need for better training of police, and that may indeed be a necessary part of fixing things, but clearly the legal standard under which the use of deadly force is considered justified needs to be tightened considerably.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
13. Another DUer posted this week that John Crawford was "swatted"...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:15 PM
Sep 2014

I'd never heard the term before, but now I think that is exactly what happened in the shooting of John Crawford III. Those itchy-trigger Rambo cops were basically used as efficient tools to murder a young Black man innocently shopping in a lily-white Beavercreek store.

A part of special "prosecutor" Piepmeier's presentation to that Grand Jury included explaining that the cop who provoked unwarranted panic in that Walmart on Aug 5, Sean Williams, had received "special" training just weeks prior to the murder of John Crawford.

Supposedly, Williams had attended a briefing on how to respond when dealing with “active shooter situations” and I believe that both Ohio AG Mike DeWine and Mark Piepmeier knew that making that claim to the members of that jury would assure they'd return a "reasonable" and "justified" decision. That previous little pep talk effectively relieved Sean Williams of any responsibility for his actions or accountability in the shooting homicide of a black man shopping at a Beavercreek Walmart.


Ohio police given 'pep talk' on shooting scenarios ahead of Walmart encounter Thursday 25 September 2014
Sean Williams, who killed John Crawford in store, was among those shown presentation encouraging aggressive action

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/25/ohio-walmart-police-slideshow-active-shooter-presentation


Surveillance footage shows Sean Williams as he entered the Walmart, just before fatally shooting John Crawford. Photograph: Screengrab of CCTV footage

The police officer who shot dead a young black man in a Walmart store in Ohio as he held an unloaded BB rifle had less than two weeks earlier received what prosecutors called a “pep talk” on how to deal aggressively with suspected gunmen.

Sean Williams and his colleagues in Beavercreek, a suburb of Dayton, were shown a slideshow invoking their loved ones and the massacres at Sandy Hook, Columbine and Virginia Tech while being trained on 23-24 July on confronting “active shooter situations”.

“If not you, then who?” officers were asked by the presentation, alongside a photograph of young students being led out of Sandy Hook elementary school in December 2012. A caption reminded the trainees that 20 children and five adults were killed before police arrived.

Williams shot dead John Crawford III 12 days later, after a 911 caller repeatedly said that Crawford was pointing a gun at Walmart customers, including children. Surveillance footage released on Thursday showed Crawford passing shoppers with the air rifle at his side.

A set of 11 slides from a presentation given to officers in the July session was made public by special prosecutor Mark Piepmeier, who presented the slides and other evidence to a grand jury in Greene County, which on Wednesday declined to indict Williams on criminal charges.



After finally getting to view the surveillance footage (synced by the FBI with the 911 Call made by Ronald Richie), I believe that Ronald Ritchie's lies were the fatal spark in this entire conflagration which ended with John Crawford's death. Whether it was "swatting" or not, his false report of a threatening black man wildly waving a rifle around in that store led to Crawford's murder.


Doubts cast on witness's account of black man killed by police in Walmart Sunday 7 September 2014
Alleged to have threatened customers, John Crawford, 22, was having a phone conversation while holding an unloaded BB gun

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/07/ohio-black-man-killed-by-police-walmart-doubts-cast-witnesss-account

When Ronald Ritchie called 911 from the aisles of a Walmart in western Ohio last month to report that a black man was “walking around with a gun in the store”, he said that shoppers were coming under direct threat.

“He’s, like, pointing it at people,” Ritchie told the dispatcher. Later that evening, after John Crawford III had been shot dead by one of the police officers who hurried to the scene in Beavercreek, Ritchie repeated to reporters: “He was pointing at people. Children walking by.”

One month later, Ritchie puts it differently. “At no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody,” the 24-year-old said, in an interview with the Guardian. He maintained that Crawford was “waving it around”, which attorneys for Crawford’s family deny.

Ritchie told several reporters after the 5 August shooting that he was an “ex-marine”. When confronted with his seven-week service record, however, he confirmed that he had been quickly thrown out of the US marine corps in 2008 after being declared a “fraudulent enlistment”, over what he maintains was simply a mixup over his paperwork.

Crawford, 22, turned out to be holding an unloaded BB air rifle that he had picked up from a store shelf. After Ritchie said Crawford appeared to be “trying to load” the gun, the 911 dispatcher relayed to an officer that it was believed the gunman “just put some bullets inside”.



(Graphic Video)
Walmart surveillance tape shows Police shooting & killing John Crawford III, 9-1-1 call


marym625

(17,997 posts)
16. jesus Mary and Joseph
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 03:42 PM
Sep 2014

Outright murder and complete fabrication on the part of Ritchie.

I have seen the tape synced to dispatch but that's the first time I saw it synced to the call. He should be in jail along with the cops.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
10. Racism. No doubt.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:49 AM
Sep 2014

Thie disconnect between the 911 caller's words and the video are telling. They should prosecute him for reckless endangerment. The cops wouldn't have rushed in there if it had been a white guy, I'd bet.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
14. Yup. Those cops might have rushed in, but a white person wouldn't have been shot.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:38 PM
Sep 2014

Not in a Beavercreek, Ohio Walmart.

The 911 Caller who delivered a false report, Ronald Ritchie; the Beavercreek cop who shot a man within seconds of spotting him, Sean Williams; that special "prosecutor" who guaranteed that no indictment would be handed down by a Grand Jury, Mark Piepmeier; and Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, who did everything in his power to assure that his beloved Greene County would ultimately come out of this looking as pure as the driven snow...all four of these men need to be investigated for racial bias and held accountable for their actions in order to find Justice for John Crawford III.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
15. couldn't agree more.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 03:28 PM
Sep 2014

I tend to believe they will go after Ritchie to make it look like they give a shit. But no official will be touched.

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