Ron Paul Supporters Attempt To Explain Freedom-Based Discrimination to Interracial Couple

[votesparks]

[CurtEastPoint]

1. Followers = crazy like their leader. Sad.

[stopbush]

2. Notice how they try to frame anti-discrmination laws as an imposition of government.

"If the government tells you you have to do something" is not that same as "the government says you can't do something."

The government says you can't murder people. The government says you can't have a parade without a permit. The government says you can't drive a car without a license. The government says you can't discriminate against people if you run a business that is licensed by the state.

None of those actions/laws make you do anything. You can still discriminate against others in your personal life (and take the consequences). But once you engage in an activity that is regulated by the state - like running a restaurant - then there are certain "do nots" that come with the territory.

[silverweb]

3. In other words...

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]People being discriminated against have to martyr themselves, and become community organizers and activists to generate public support in order to gain their own basic human rights and justice, and the government has no business stepping in to "force" fair treatment by those doing the discriminating.

[freshwest]

13. Oh, no! Libertarians can't have that. It might restrict their 'freeee-dum.'

[silverweb]

15. Amazing, isn't it?

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I've known a couple of these people very well. They just stand everything on it's head and claim that's the way it's supposed to be. End of discussion.

They claim the mantle of "reason" and "objectivity," but only from their point of view.

If their freedom infringes on your freedom, well, that's just too bad; but don't ever let your freedom come even close to edging theirs, because that's perceived as a direct personal attack and they respond with vicious malevolence.

[freshwest]

16. Here are some points I've used and it helps me explain my position:

http://www.monbiot.com/2011/12/19/how-freedom-became-tyranny/

Check out more of his writings, he has a lot to say about them:

http://www.monbiot.com/

Noam Chomsky quote that simplifies a great deal:

Now, the Libertarian Party, is a *capitalist* party. It's in favor of what *I* would regard a *particular form* of authoritarian control.

Namely, the kind that comes through private ownership and control, which is an *extremely* rigid system of domination -- people have to... people can survive, by renting themselves to it, and basically in no other way...

I do disagree with them *very* sharply, and I think that they are not.. understanding the *fundamental* doctrine, that you should be free from domination and control, including the control of the manager and the owner.

A website, Libertarian to Liberal

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/bast.html

Another website associated with that one, Libertarianism in One Lesson:

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/onelesson.html

They're angry because deep down, they know they are conning themselves and you won't join their religion. Plain and simple. IMHO. My technique is to lead the children out of their paradise and get them thinking of the basics. You might ask them to read those to see why you don't agree. Let them prove what they are saying.

[freshwest]

17. One more:

Bookmarks for Rebutting Common Libertarian Arguments

http://www25.brinkster.com/captbildad/booklibtn.htm

If your friends drool over Ayn Rand, I have a lot on that, too.

[silverweb]

22. Thank you!

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I've bookmarked all the links for when I get the chance to read them. I don't waste my energy arguing with Libertarians anymore, but I do like to keep up with the best rebuttals just for my own information.

[abq e streeter]

4. Made it halfway through this, but listening to these babbling idiots started giving me a headache.

[SemperEadem]

5. and that is why your boy is in last place

and doesn't have enough delegates with which to wipe his behind.

the country might be trying to inch backwards incrimentally, be we will never go as far back at these numbnuts want to drag it.

[mlevans]

6. The longer they talk, the less they say.

[redgreenandblue]

7. The ironic thing is, Ron Paul supporters are a little like communists.

They are idealists. They think that people out of the goodness of their heart will choose the right thing, choose to be productive, choose to protect the environment, choose to be charitable, choose to practice medicine for free for the poor and so on.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

8. Eh, I disagree

Really, they don't give a fuck as long as they have theirs.

[redgreenandblue]

19. I suppose there are certainly some (or even many) for which that is true.

And also some for which "Libertarianism" is just a convenient excuse for actual racsim. But that young guy in the video does seem like an idealist to me. I think there are quite a few who genuinely believe that their ideology will make the world a better place.

[Jamaal510]

9. What's also ironic is that

most of his supporters are around my age range (I'm 21). They say younger voters tend to be more progressive, but he's essentially the ultimate regressive out of those four candidates, considering his stance on Civil Rights, marriage equality, evolution, global warming, and his tax plan.

[knixphan]

21. Oh those greedy billionaires will do the right thing...

...'cause they care.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. Jesus, smoke some more weed, you babbling idiots

"Uh.....uh......uh.......as we all know......uh.....uh......the people need to stand up......uh.....uh"

Fucking morons.

[DocMac]

20. They are babbling idiots, for sure.

I didn't know that smoking weed made anyone a "babbling idiot" or a "fucking moron".

[marble falls]

11. How they bend "its all about personal responsibility" into its your fault if you're targeted....

like people have the right to "target" even if its wrong and Ayn Rand will forgive you if you stiff a panhandler or a waiter. You don't want to be a target, stop being the target. Its the KIDS fault he got shot by the odd little neighborhood watch guy. He should have taken a little "personal responsibility" for not being a target. I can't wait till the elections.

[Canuckistanian]

12. Uh....the people...uhh...freedom.....uhhh... the people...uh...liberty...... uhhhhhhh

Look, you asscarrots, just repeating words like "liberty" and "freedom" is NOT AN ARGUMENT for your cause.

[freshwest]

14. Thanks! 'Asscarrots'! You said 'ass'! *snicker, snicker*

Doesn't take much to make me laugh.

I need it after seeing youth spouting this.

[JHB]

18. Call them utopianists. They hate that.

It's not like this is all theoretical and nobody has real experience with it.

Say, Clyde, what heppens when a majority thinks it's just dandy to limit your rights, because they think that's the natural order of things. Good luck with your "freedom" when when no one recognizes you have any right to it and the law (or at least the enforcement thereof) is on their side.

[NiloTheAngryLatino]

23. More Ammo for my show !

http://niloradio.podomatic.com/player/web