Glenn Greenwald, NSA Documents & Checkbook Journalism (Boiling Frogs Post-Sibel Edmonds)

[mmonk]

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. Rec#5. I hope Snowden responds to her. Is he okay with GG making millions off of him?

Is he in on it? It's good to see people who definitely have no love for the POTUS finally begin to question GG's actions/motives, and his curious "connections" to big $$$$$$$$$.

[JDPriestly]

2. What precisely is the point? That Greenwald is a jerk because he is taking money for what

he is doing?

Let's see what he does with the money before finding fault with that. Greenwald's legal fees will be astronomical, and he may spend many years in prison if he faces a trial. So it's hard to begrudge his making money from what he is doing. It may be the only insurance fund he has.

Is the suggestion that Greenwald is selling his silence? That could be a serious matter.

After all, he may really start new news media that is more honest than what we have seen.

My summation:

Hell hath no fury than that of a (my edit -- certain) women scorned.

Sibel Edmond's presentation is wildly emotional and that detracts from the credibility. Still, I would like to hear Greenwald's responses.

While I'm at it, I would like to add that Pacifica, an independent radio station that features both Democracy Now and sometimes Thom Hartmann, is trying to raise enough money to stay on the air. GLENN, DEAR, IF YOU HAVE MONEY TO SPARE, PLEASE HELP PACIFICA. They are a great news outlet. Thanks.

[mmonk]

10. Doubt Glenn cares about Pacifica, Democracy Now! or Thom.

He could easily use them to tell his story. Sibel is right to be suspicious.

[JDPriestly]

11. Maybe she is just jealous.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. She struck me as overly emotional in that interview. It's as if Greenwald had affronted her personally.

[mmonk]

12. She may well be but it doesn't matter.

At least she created an organization or venue of which whistleblowers can give their stories. It isn't connected to anything related to the highest bidder or a new media network.

[JDPriestly]

14. So far, Greenwald's new media network is just something being talked about.

People do things in different ways. The powers that don't like it when they do offensive things in secret and are discovered. All whistleblowers pay a huge personal price for following their consciences. There is no reason for one whistleblower to criticize the way another whistleblower delivers his message. Snowden and Greenwald delivered their message in a dramatic yet soft-spoken manner that gives them a lot of credibility.

[dionysus]

13. i think people who worship the bebe jeebus greenwald also get overly emotional in defending him. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. +1000

[arthritisR_US]

25. We do a disservice to ourselves anytime we anoint someone to sainthood. GG seems to have

done that for himself and many are jumping on his band wagon, jmo.

[arthritisR_US]

23. She is excitable I agree but I separate delivery from substance. She raised some

interesting points, along the lines of follow the money and characters GG is aligning with...they need investigation, jmo.

[xiamiam]

21. Glenn is on democracy now often. Scahill got his start there

both have strong ties to democracy now.

[BelgianMadCow]

3. Sibel Edmonds raises valid points, especially about Greenwald redacting state secrets cases

and 9/11 related matters.

These things can be important when deciding who if anybody is a hero.

But that the leak has been an enormous service to the people of the world, is beyond doubt to me. That doesn't mean the motives of the people involved were pure, and I concur with Sibel Edmonds nobody is above scrutiny and criticism. What she is doing here isn't smearing, but digging. Always good. I'm glad to see a substantive viewpoint against Greenwald - but Greenwald is only a channel. There is nothing on Snowden here.

I hope Greenwald isn't the only one with the docs now - I don't think he is, right?

[2banon]

4. I'm in agreement. I look forward to answers from Snowden on this matter.

Sibel was always hard for me to listen to, and she was difficult for me to listen to all the way through tonight but I did anyway. I wish she just went ahead and enumerated the items regarding GG that she says she has on him, but she lost me with the editorializing on the messiah thing.

I did't catch the gentleman's name on the left side of the screen, I appreciated the questions and points he posited. Also the gentleman on the right, but I didn't understand his name either. it would be great to have links to each of their sites

I'm definitely interested in the answers from Snowden. glad to know there's a letter directed to him circulating and answers are being anticipated.

This does shine an entirely different light on GG's motivations. I'm wondering if Snowden handed everything to GG or if he managed to safeguard the original files elsewhere. I beginning to suspect Snowden got snookered by GG and that's why he ended up in Hong Kong and ultimately Moscow.

Well, I should wait until we hear back from Snowden before jumping to conclusions and making any further judgements. I want answers too.

And then there's Scahill, I nearly forgotten all about. head scratching.. gonna have to wait for answers I guess.

[arthritisR_US]

24. I came way from this interview with the same thoughts as you. nt

[2banon]

5. Ebay Founder has a Huge Stake in the outcome

in that he along with all the other global business giants have in this is privacy/security for customers. It's a matter of Business. That''s what the meeting with Obama and Hi-Tech industry leaders was about the other day. They're suffering business repercussions, particularly in Europe and elsewhere. This is a high finance and profit gains/losses at stake. They want the data collection out of the hands of the government and see themselves as the legitimate gatekeepers and they want serious reform wrt to govt's demands for access to that data.

Personally I don't want Big Business or Big Government to collect and keep it.

[arthritisR_US]

26. This was news to me and i agree that both scenarios don't bode well for democracy. nt

[JDPriestly]

6. This post and announcement by the media organization that Greenwald will be involved in

may answer some of the questions raised in the OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1269486

We shall see what all of it really means and becomes.

[mmonk]

9. Thanks for that.

I had missed that.

[Scurrilous]

7. K & R

[uponit7771]

8. +1

[Malteil]

16. Why didn't he publish with the Guardian?

As far as publishing with the Guardian, maybe the fact that they have had so much trouble with the British Govt. in regards to the leaks is a reason. Maybe he felt that he would be edited to heavily by the Guardian in regards to his book, this leading him to look for another publishing source. It is reasonable to think, if I was writing this book, that the British Govt. would come down really hard on the Guardian and follow through with their earlier threats if a book on the leaks were in the works. This would be especially true, if the really juicy stuff was going to be in the book.

[wildbilln864]

17. thank you and welcome to the DU!

[xiamiam]

20. journalists are not protected by a first amendment in Britain

Sibel knows that. I can't listen to her. I know she's been thru a lot but she puts me off. First, she is always preening and drawing attention to something personal about herself ...and her voice. I do know that disliking the tone of her voice is not a good enough reason to not listen to her but it is offensive to my ears. I try but it is shrill and I already dislike some of her mannerisms. I like James Corbett, a lot, and I even thought about writing to him about how I feel she detracts from him. None of my business but I just cant take her seriously.

[Whisp]

18. K&R

[Whisp]

19. wow, Sibel Edmunds used to be DUs Hero back when

No one dissed her in any way.
We were all on her side.

Now that she isn't kissing GG's opportunistic ass, --- *whistles for the bus.

[pam4water]

22. Idle speculation by 3 air heads. What a waist of time.