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xocet

(3,871 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:36 PM Jul 2013

Distressing Content: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure



Force-feeding — Guantanamo's shame
As President Obama has said, force-feeding detainees held without charge for more than a decade is unacceptable.
July 06, 2013|By Alka Pradhan, Kent Eiler and Katherine Hawkins

The restraint chair used to force-feed detainees on hunger strike is seen at the detainee hospital in Camp Delta, which is part of the U.S. military prison for 'enemy combatants' in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

At least 106 of the 166 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay detention center are reported to be on hunger strike, with 45 currently being force-fed.

A recently published report by the Constitution Project's Task Force on Detainee Treatment, to which we contributed, found that the practice of forced feeding at Guantanamo was "a form of abuse and must end." A member of the task force, Dr. Gerald Thomson, described the process: "You are forced physically to eat, by being strapped into a specially made chair and having restraints put on your arms, your legs, your body and your head so that you cannot move. [You have] a tube inserted into your throat that extends into your stomach, and you're trying to resist that with the only muscles that are free — in your throat." Detainees have said that it is intensely painful.

When the restraint chairs were first introduced to Guantanamo in December 2005, the force-feeding process was reportedly especially punitive. Several detainees said that guards kept them in a restraint chair for hours after the tube feeding ended — sometimes for as long as six hours. The military says that the restraint chairs prevent assaults on U.S. personnel, but a detainee whose condition has deteriorated such that force-feeding is medically necessary to sustain life is unlikely to have the physical ability to commit assault.

At least two detainees were force-fed in the chair twice a day for close to four years. By 2009, the process was less prolonged and brutal, but the restraint chair was still used for every feeding regardless of a detainee's compliance, according to an independent physician who visited Guantanamo and examined detainees. She found that the force-feeding procedure caused physical pain and psychological harm that in one case became full-blown post-traumatic stress disorder.

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http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/06/opinion/la-oe-eiler-gitmo-hunger-strike-20130707


Guantánamo hunger strike: US to force-feed detainees during Ramadan
Government says feedings provide 'essential nutritional and medical care' and will not interfere with religious observance
Karen McVeigh in New York
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 3 July 2013 17.18 EDT

The US government has refused to stop force-feeding detainees on hunger strike at Guantánamo Bay during the holy month of Ramadan.

In court papers rejecting a petition by four of more than 100 detainees said to be refusing food, the US said the feedings provided "essential nutritional and medical care" and would not interfere with religious observance of Ramadan, which begins on Monday.

Observant Muslims fast daily from sunrise to sunset during Ramadan. Lawyers for President Obama also said that the "public interest lies with maintaining the status quo".

Last month, Obama gave a speech in which he promised to work towards closing the base, and to allow the release of many of the 86 prisoners held there who have been cleared for transfer. He described the camp as a moral problem for the nation that had to be solved.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/guantanamo-bay-hunger-strike-detainees-ramadan


Barack Obama urged to halt Ramadan force-feeding at Guantanamo Bay
Lawyers for four inmates have also filed petitions with the US government to stop this procedure during the religious festival


Islamic community leaders are asking Barack Obama to stop the practice of force-feeding Muslim detainees at Guantanamo Bay who are on hunger strike during Ramadan.

The religious festival, which began on Monday, is marked by fasting during daylight hours in the ninth month of the Islamic calendar.

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR, described the practice of force-feeding as “in violation of international norms and medical ethics.” Speaking to the Guardian, he said: “We believe it's wrong to force-feed at any time but it is particularly upsetting to do it through Ramadan.”

Dr Azzam Tamimi, an Islamic community leader in Britain, said this practice was becoming “increasingly embarrassing for the US government”. He added: “It's about time President Obama took a brave decision to end this in a way that would be appreciated around the Islamic world.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/barack-obama-urged-to-halt-ramadan-forcefeeding-at-guantanamo-bay-8695878.html


It is well beyond time to close Guantánamo.

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Distressing Content: Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure (Original Post) xocet Jul 2013 OP
Forced SamKnause Jul 2013 #1
And you know all this how? COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #3
Forced SamKnause Jul 2013 #4
And I should accept 'Democracy Now' as COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #6
I can't find anything in his transcript which says COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #7
Forced 3 SamKnause Jul 2013 #13
K&R idwiyo Jul 2013 #2
Through the nose? PopeOxycontinI Jul 2013 #5
Yes. This is standard in hospitals for some conditions as well. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #8
That's how you feed a person who isn't able to COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #9
Who told you that it is not usually painful? Have you ever had one? I have. kas125 Jul 2013 #10
Must depend on the person iamthebandfanman Jul 2013 #11
nasal gastric tubes hurt sigmasix Jul 2013 #12
I watched the video again and the tube I had, which is probably what you had, too, kas125 Jul 2013 #15
I had a ng tube inserted several times over the course of COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #16
Maybe you had good drugs annm4peace Jul 2013 #19
Nope. No drugs at all. COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #21
what made you think it isn't painful annm4peace Jul 2013 #18
The US is a torture state. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #14
Disgusting nt Sand Wind Jul 2013 #17
K&R.... Close this and save lives and money... midnight Jul 2013 #20
kick HomerRamone Jul 2013 #22

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
1. Forced
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jul 2013

They have intentionally added metal tips on the feeding tubes to make it more painful.

They use the same tube on more than one detainee.

They do not sterilize them.

They use the bloody tube on the next detainee.

This is TORTURE !!!

This is INSANITY !!!!

This is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
4. Forced
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jul 2013

Democracy Now interviewed some of the detainees that were in Guantanamo.

Democracy Now has reported on this practice several times.

http://www.democracynow.org/

June 18th, 2013 video and transcript of the interview with Sami Al-Hajj.

Type in the search bar; Guantanamo detainees being forced feed.

It will be the first article.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
7. I can't find anything in his transcript which says
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jul 2013

anything about "intentionally added metal tips". The reporter deliberately leads him to say "Tube too big". The rest is his version of events, nothing more. Why should I believe anything he says?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. Yes. This is standard in hospitals for some conditions as well.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:48 PM
Jul 2013

However, it's being used for very different motives here. The tube is pushed down all the way to the stomach. Administered properly, you won't end up aspirating your food into your lungs, for people who cannot swallow/etc.


I'm curious what company makes the 'restraint tables'.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
9. That's how you feed a person who isn't able to
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jul 2013

(or refuses to) take food by mouth. It's called a nasogastric tube and is not usually painful. People in hospitals have it all the time.

kas125

(2,472 posts)
10. Who told you that it is not usually painful? Have you ever had one? I have.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jul 2013

It hurts. It hurts more than giving birth (three times) with no pain meds. There is no way on earth anyone who has ever had an ng tube shoved into their nose and down to their stomach would ever describe it as not usually painful.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
11. Must depend on the person
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jul 2013

and circumstance.

Ive had it done, but they sprayed a numbing agent into my nose before hand .. so didn't hurt me at all ..
as they do with people with eating disorders...

this is different tho, as its forced and without any medication :p

sigmasix

(794 posts)
12. nasal gastric tubes hurt
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jul 2013

I've had NG tubes in me several times for intestinal surgeries. I can tell you that they caused a series of anxiety attacks and lots of pain. It is one of the most distressing feelings I have experienced in my 10 yr fight with cancer. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

kas125

(2,472 posts)
15. I watched the video again and the tube I had, which is probably what you had, too,
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jul 2013

was not like the one they used here. My ng tube wasn't for feeding, it was for suction to empty my stomach because it wasn't working and it had to be in me for almost a week before the surgery. Mine was much thicker than the one in the video and it wasn't as flexible. But even the little tube in the video would hurt, especially when they do it repeatedly.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
16. I had a ng tube inserted several times over the course of
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jul 2013

a 3 month hospitalization and six month recuperation period afterwards. Not at all painful. You must have an extraordinarily low pain threshold.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
18. what made you think it isn't painful
Tue Jul 9, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jul 2013

I saw them put it in my dad and take it out. It was horrific.

sort of like you see Mos Def except my dad couldn't say no.

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