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Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:19 AM Jun 2014

11 of the Weirdest Solutions to the Fermi Paradox (cross-posted from GD)

GD Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025055008

Because...we need to do something besides navel gazing for just a few minutes. This is a fun read.

http://io9.com/11-of-the-weirdest-solutions-to-the-fermi-paradox-456850746

11 of the Weirdest Solutions to the Fermi Paradox

George Dvorsky

Most people take it for granted that we have yet to make contact with an extraterrestrial civilization. Trouble is, the numbers don’t add up. Our Galaxy is so old that every corner of it should have been visited many, many times over by now. No theory to date has satisfactorily explained away this Great Silence, so it’s time to think outside the box. Here are eleven of the weirdest solutions to the Fermi Paradox.

There's no shortage of solutions to the Fermi Paradox. The standard ones are fairly well known, and we’re not going to examine them here, but they include the Rare Earth Hypothesis (the suggestion that life is exceptionally rare), the notion that space travel is too difficult, or the distances too vast, the Great Filter Hypothesis (the idea that all sufficiently advanced civilizations destroy themselves before going intergalactic), or that we’re simply not interesting enough.

But for the purposes of this discussion, we’re going to look at some of the more bizarre and arcane solutions to the Fermi Paradox. Because sometimes it takes a weird explanation to answer a weird question. So, as Enrico Fermi famously asked, “Where is everybody?”


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http://io9.com/11-of-the-weirdest-solutions-to-the-fermi-paradox-456850746

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11 of the Weirdest Solutions to the Fermi Paradox (cross-posted from GD) (Original Post) Flying Squirrel Jun 2014 OP
Reason 12 - They're fucking with us and enjoying it. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #1
Good one!!!!! LongTomH Jun 2014 #5
8. We Can’t Read the Signs delrem Jun 2014 #2
I like No. 4: "We're made out of meat." Peace Patriot Jun 2014 #3
Maybe we have missed their emissary, Flipper or maybe they will introduce then selves when we stop Sam1 Jun 2014 #4
That ontology of being polynomial Jun 2014 #6
Two possibilities exist MillennialDem Jun 2014 #7

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
5. Good one!!!!!
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jun 2014

I keep imagining some alien post grad students passing around a bong (whatever passes for a bong on their world!) filled with some alien weed, and giggling: "Oh man, are we playing with the heads of those monkeys!"

delrem

(9,688 posts)
2. 8. We Can’t Read the Signs
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 12:55 AM
Jun 2014

Now, it’s totally possible that the signs of ETIs are all around us, but either we’re too stupid to notice, or we still need to develop our technologies to detect the signals.

IMO that's the most likely scenario. Not the "too stupid" part. It seems unlikely to me that some intelligent species could harness light, with all the encumbrances of light speed and energy needs, so as to contact "Earth" in some kind of totally broadband effort. At least not without some considerable tweaking and invention.

We on Earth are only recently (this instant, really) becoming aware of the broader Universe. Consider: how old is our knowledge of electricity? Gauss, Faraday, Ampere, Maxwell. Of gravity? Isaac Newton: 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727. None of this is very long ago considering how many light years galactic and inter-galactic information takes to travel, using light as a messenger.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
3. I like No. 4: "We're made out of meat."
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:41 AM
Jun 2014
4. We’re Made Out of Meat

From the Nebula Award-nominated short story, “They’re Made Out of Meat” by Terry Bisson:

"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

A little while later:

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"

"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?'


--from the OP


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Intelligent species, advanced enough for interstellar travel and contact, either didn't evolve as "meat" or did so so long ago that they consider us to be primitively icky.

I like it because it's very funny--not so much because I think it's true. I mean, if we ourselves found intelligence in something that was icky, we probably wouldn't let that get in the way of communicating with it. Still, it's funny to look at ourselves as other very alien beings might look at us. I'm reminded of the Star Trek: Next Generation episode "Home Soil," in which the Enterprise crew discover life as a collective intelligence that developed in small crystals (on a planet that a Federation science team has been trying to terraform--the "crystals" start resisting; the terraforming project has been destroying them). When communication is finally established with this crystal intelligence, the crystal intelligence describes human beings as "ugly bags of mostly water."

LOL!

Are we "icky"? Or, are we unworthy of being asked to join Galactic Civilization, because we are destroying our planet, or because we spawn whackos with arsenals of high powered weapons who randomly kill innocent people, or because we have highly armed governments that routinely wage war and slaughter hundreds of thousands of intelligent beings (ourselves), or because we can't stop killing elephants, dolphins and other intelligent fellow critters?

I don't favor that "weird" hypothesis--that we are unworthy--flawed, or not sufficiently advanced, to be contacted. I think that intelligent life is pervasive in our galaxy and in the universe. Intelligence is as inevitable a development of the evolving universe as is the creation of planets, stars, solar systems and galaxies. Intelligence cannot be unique, just as our planet cannot be, and never was, unique.

And the more we learn about the universe, the less unique do we become. With the truly astonishing explosion of information about our galaxy and the universe, in just the last ten years alone--for instance, the discovery of thousands of exoplanets (planets outside of our solar system, around other stars), in just a very modest section of our own galaxy near Earth--it is very difficult for us to take it all in--to absorb the meaning of these staggering discoveries and our immensely more detailed view of the universe, and to fit our own existence and our own intelligence into this much bigger and better picture of what is.

It is only in the last century that we discovered other galaxies--billions of them, containing billions and billions of stars. It is only over the last ten years that we have discovered water nearly everywhere we look in our own solar system. It is only very recently that the Big Bang/Inflation theory has been pretty much confirmed. Advances in astronomy, and all other sciences, and advances in technology, have been staggering in recent years. The mind reels! It is mind-boggling even for literate, progressive people, let alone for the many among us who are barely literate or who cling, in panic, to what they consider "biblical" certitudes.

So, it is very difficult to think about the Fermi Paradox ("Where is everybody?&quot . I get the feeling that even these "weird" solutions don't scratch the surface of what is. All of "what is" and where we fit into all of "what is" may be a paradox in itself--not the paradox of "where is everybody?" but a never-before-thought-of paradox of space-time or gravitational lensing or fractals (our brains, the universe) or "strings" or "dark matter." For instance, the question may not be "where is everybody?" but "why have we FORGOTTEN everybody?".

Weird theories Nos. 1 and 8 are attractive: that we may be in a galactic zoo--a protected "wild" area, where intelligence has been noticed as in development, and advanced civilizations have forbidden interference here. Or, that "we can't read the signs"--other civilizations are using technology that we don't yet have. (The truth may be a combination of these two.) Interesting ideas, but somehow not adequate.

I had never heard of No. 11, regarding gamma-ray bursts exterminating many nascent alien civilizations, but, as the universe evolves with fewer of these bursts, civilizations can NOW start flourishing and contacting each other. Have to think about that one (and more information is needed). I doubt No. 7 ("All Aliens are Homebodies&quot , because, obviously, alien civilizations would have had to travel outward and make contact in order to learn from experience that home is best (that contact is dangerous). The key is "all." We're talking four hundred billion stars in our galaxy and billions and billions of other galaxies. How can "all" potential aliens in our unimaginably VAST universe make such a decision? Also, any that did would likely leave traces of themselves (just as we did with Voyager, only more so, with who knows how many feelers out into the universe before they decided to stay home?).

I think we need to learn much MORE about the universe (microcosm and macrocosm) and about ourselves before we can address the Fermi Paradox. It's kind of a silly question in a way--"where is everybody?"--when we've only just recently discovered exoplanets. Our technology--dramatically advancing though it is, from our perspective--is clearly not up to contacting other intelligent beings. And why they haven't contacted us may be, a) a matter of the speed of light (the vastness of the time-space between us and them; or some twist to it that we haven't yet realized--for instance, if time-space is a spiral, contact may be periodic with diminishing intensity), or b) they have contacted us but we are not yet capable of understanding their communications (for instance, if advanced alien civilizations develop telepathy, which trumps the limits of the speed of light, they may be sending messages to our sleeping minds via dreams, and they are the ones who are puzzled by the lack of communication back, because we don't know how to do it.)

Well, now I'm just speculating, too, on the basis of too little information. It's fun to do. But I'm just saying that we don't know enough--not nearly enough--to ask this question ("where is everybody?&quot . It is a premature question. Fun as it is.

Sam1

(498 posts)
4. Maybe we have missed their emissary, Flipper or maybe they will introduce then selves when we stop
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jun 2014

shitting in Flippers house.

polynomial

(750 posts)
6. That ontology of being
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jun 2014

That ontology of being has been a question of every child. More so now with the technology of today we all could traverse in a quantum leap if our political leadership adjusted for this simple sanity, where are we and where are we going. The great ship Earth hurtling through space swiftly through the dark ether flying a half a million miles an hour.

One thing is for sure we are leaving carbon trail of garbage exhausted from our atmosphere. Our world might just someday get called out for making mess in our trail of life. Perhaps future creatures laugh at the human race knowing that carbon trail is like the Titanic anchor that could snag in the ether at the right place driving the planet into destruction, so why the hell bother us… The human race are loaded with way to many assholes…

Its a very strange feeling that politicians can talk before a camera and talk about what the American people want, then within a short time take away the ability to learn to create cognitive reasoning through education that could help find out more about our planet and the universe. Free healthcare would be nice.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
7. Two possibilities exist
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jun 2014

Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.

Personally I believe there are few if any species as intelligent and as advanced as we are IN THIS GALAXY. And given how many conservatives there are that is quite sad.

Jokes aside, in light of this why is there really a reason to colonize every planet in the galaxy? The planet(s) in one's own solar system and adjacent solar systems are likely more than enough for the time being - and we still have the speed of light problem. Even at the speed of light it takes way too long to go anywhere beyond the local neighborhood. I think something that will be solved far sooner is indefinite human / alien lifespan and even then you really don't have much reason to fart around the whole galaxy. Who wants to be stuck in a ship for 1 million years to see the whole galaxy?

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