Emergency — please read — serious Wisconsin vote hack issue

[hue]

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/06/emergency-%E2%80%94-please-read-%E2%80%94-serious-wisconsin-vote-hack-issue

Meet Command Central, the People in Charge of Wisconsin Voting Machines

Massive tide of red flags issuing from this two-person storefront company that controls 100% of Wisconsin voting machines, whose office is down the hall from Michelle Bachman's office!

The article's author wrote:

Command Central Makes Its Move—A Shady Deal With WI County Clerks

Last September, Election Integrity investigators discovered that unbeknownst to average citizens of Wisconsin, Command Central sent those 46 districts an offer: trade out your old Optech Insight Scanner for two DRE Touch Screen models, at no charge. The Optech machine is the one that paper ballots are fed through to read and register the votes.

While these machines are also susceptible to hacking (see Rep. Pridemore explain how to game the machine) in the case of a recount, it is possible to physically monitor the paper ballots as they are fed through the machine to see if they match the machine totals.

With DRE Touch Screens, however, one’s vote could be flipped and one would never know because there is no receipt or paper trail voters receive to confirm their vote was counted as voted. All that is left is a paper tape that shows votes and vote totals. If the machine is hacked, those totals have no other verifiable trail to confirm the results.

[2pooped2pop]

1. well, it appears that on DU, the wisconsin vote

was not hacked no way no how. And I do believe that Wisconsin did everything possible outside of actual machines that can't be hacked to prevent it. But as long as the machines are from the good ol boys, the good ol boys will keep winning.

I guess some people don't get it. Those machines are made to be hackable for a reason. The voting machines for the United States of America as well as United States of Americia, would not be reasonable to be hackable and not addressed unless that is the way they want them.

ANd that is the way they want them.

[Bluenorthwest]

2. Those voting machines are not 'for America' they are chosen by each State...

No such thing as a voting machine in Oregon.

[robinlynne]

17. somewhat. the EAC, the federal agency in charge of "approving' them is federal. Obama never replaced

Bush appointees. He left them in power. And ES&S currently counts 80% of American votes.
So the fact that there are none in one state really does not help the country.

[rhett o rick]

24. The huge danger here is that we rush to judgement and get "Dan Rathered".

What would help the bastards more than getting us to scream foul when none exists (Dan Rather). Then come Nov noone would listen to us if we called foul again.

Karl Rove is no fool.

[2pooped2pop]

25. did Dan Rather report a lie?

my understanding was that Rather reported correctly and was swift boated over it.

i do know what u mean by cryimg wolf so to speak but the truth is that every election is hackable and can not be trusted.

We can scream and cry all we want but they have already purchased the treasonous media so no one will ever hear about it but us.

Every election in this country is completly bogus until those machines are killed.

Hackable by design

[jeff47]

27. One element of his report was not true

The thrust of his reporting was true, but there was one forged document.

[2pooped2pop]

32. yes, now I remember

thanks. But didn't Mr. Rather recently come out and say that hw reported the truth andstands by it? If so, I would have to belivee him over our lying treasonous mainstream republican bought media.

[brooklynite]

29. Isn't it amazing that none of the candidates, their campaign teams, or the Party leadership...

...are as clever as you in figuring this out?

[2pooped2pop]

30. I am pretty certain that they do know

they also know they will be destroyed if they were to make issue of it. You don't just fuck up their game like that without going down.

[brooklynite]

34. So, every single Democrat, no exceptions, is a wimp?

[HooptieWagon]

3. If they rigged the machines to flip a couple hundred thousand votes

then why bother with the voter suppression and robocalls?

[The Doctor.]

4. Exit polls. Appearances.

They can't be that blatant about it... just pretty damn blatant.

[rhett o rick]

6. Are you saying that because someone made robocalls that would preclude

the chance that others might have committed voter fraud.

KKKarl is way ahead of you. I think he would call it a distraction.

Republicans cheat even when it isnt necessary, because that's what they do.

[HooptieWagon]

23. See, hacking the vote is a covert act.

It only takes a person or two, very little money, and is difficult to prove.
OTOH, voter suppression and robocalls involve larger groups of people, cost more, leave an evidence trail, and only involve a few thousand votes.
Now if the Rethugs were planning to secretly flip a couple hundred thousand votes, why call attention to themselves over a couple thousand votes? Answer: They thought the election was going to be close and they would need those couple thousand votes suppressed... therefore, a plan to flip a couple hundred thousand wasnt in place.

[2pooped2pop]

11. easier to flip without raising alarm if it's close

plus they love cheating so much that they can't help themselves but to add it in just to be sure.

Of course raising the alarm only means that the left will ever know about it as main stream media is nothing if not treasonous bastards.

[loudsue]

15. And because you can't have too many people knowing about it.

I'm sure only a very few people are allowed to know about the hacking as it is being done. And it probably goes to the top of the food chain.

[robinlynne]

18. Becuase that is how it is done. You whittle away votes on 4 or 5 different fronts.

[sabrina 1]

19. Covering all bases, hedging their bets.

[Dustlawyer]

5. Get used to it!

[Uncle Joe]

7. The question that comes to mind is, why would any responsible state government with at least

a modicum of integrity get rid of a paper trail recording that state's citizens' most important right?

We send our soldiers off to die and kill in foreign lands and then hold parades celebrating their honor, courage or patriotism in standing up for "democracy and freedom."

Our corporate media is quick to telecast purple fingers of voters abroad and yet we won't even give the right to vote here at home the respect that a $1 bank deposit warrants.

That's just disgusting.

Thanks for the thread, hue.

[Blaspherian]

8. Never doubt how low the Republicans will stoop.

Underhanded tactics are nothing new for these guys.

[jerseyjack]

9. Isn't it strange that an election that was polled with a one point difference ends up with 7 points?

[gmee2]

10. I voted in Sparta Wi, on a Optech scanner.....

You guys need to face it, there is a large tea party get out the vote ground game here. They have been here for months, I know they have been to my doorstep several times. The unions could not match the ground game. Better beware in November because they are out there and it will be a repeat of this if progresives and the unions don't step up.

[2pooped2pop]

12. that may be perfectly true

but as long as those machines are hackable there will always be doubt and we do not live in a democracy. They are hackable for a reason.

[gmee2]

20. I'm not saying they are not hackable but...

not all voting machines were the new ones and not a single union member came to my house. I had one call supporting Barrett, the Democrats and the unions dropped the ball and to later sit here and make accusations without substantial proof is ludicrous. What needs to happen is to roll up the sleeves and get to work or its going to be a trouncing in November. All those people that say the tea party is finished are delusional. It is very much alive here in Wisconsin and this is not a bastion of conservatism. Wake up people!!!!!

[2pooped2pop]

26. we will never ever be given access to the machines

so we will never have the proof we need. they know that and that is why they ignore us.

I am not even saying that this election was hacked. I'm saying that all elections have the ability built in to be hacked. That is not by error. As long as that is the case NO election is ever to be trusted.

Our country has become a fucking joke.

[deacon2]

13. This one is simple

The machines, no matter the origin, have had their "applog" removed from the database software.
No applog, no record of activity except what is supposedly chosen by the voter. Any backdoor
modification of the table data is not auditable. Mass updates are possible without detection.
As to the other obvious maneuvers to suppress voting and so on... I think that's just a nice stew to
keep a balance of fraudulent activity - the old "hiding in broad daylight" approach.
If they can create a close enough margin with the obvious crap and the media's "balanced" reporting,
the machines can then deliver the coup de grace.

Afterward, we can look on while the hand wringing starts over the "strange" exit polling and so on.

Until we fix the voting, the voting is fixed.

[snot]

36. +100!

[caseymoz]

14. This issue has been out there since 2000.

Nothing substantial has been done about it.

[AverageJoe90]

16. Good article.

It certainly didn't help, at all, that the Teabaggers and their ilk beat us in the ground game.

[fasttense]

21. Stand by for being accused of sore loser-dom in 1..2..3..

The RepubliCONS have shown us over and over again from the Democratic Primary in South Carolina where an unemployed man beat out a well known politician, to the Waukesha County clerk in Wisconsin finding just the right amount of missing votes for the RepubliCON, to the bushes asking the Supreme Court to stop counting votes in Florida, that they will, and do, rig elections to win.

The fact that people don't want to believer this is beyond stupid.

Yes, this vote count was rigged like many others. The reason Obama won in 2008 was because the RepubliCONS did not have enough money to bribe the right people and put the right equipment in all the states. But their money problems are over and you can bet Rmoney will rig it as Scott Walker rigged it.

And the reason RepubliCONS still do all that campaigning when they rig the vote count too, is because sometimes some people get ethics all of a sudden and people who accept bribes to rig elections are not always the most trustworthy performers. And even more rarely, an attempted vote rigger is caught. So, they cover all their bases. Something Democrats rarely do.

If Nixon would commit treason and extended the Vietnam war and if Ronnie Raygun would made a deal with the Iranian terrorist who were holding Americans hostage to win elections, what makes you think a RepubliCON would stop at rigging elections?

[shcrane71]

35. +1,000,000,000,000

[southernyankeebelle]

22. I wish they go back to regular ballots counting it is so much easier even though it might

take longer to count.

[Blue Owl]

28. The key word here is FLIPPING

Meanwhile the # of votes cast remains accurate. I believe this is what happened in Wisconsin.

[freshwest]

31. Barrett should not have conceded, period.

[glinda]

33. and yet nothing is ever done....

[midnight]

37. Like I said on election night-No thanks Sequoia's Optical Scan and MIKE HUEBSCH SECRETARY Division

of Administrative Services.