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canetoad

(17,153 posts)
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:02 PM Dec 2011

Has Kim Jong-il brainwashed North Koreans?

Has Kim Jong-il brainwashed North Koreans?
Hysterical mourning brings back talk of 'brainwashing', which is really just the extreme application of old persuasion techniques
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/20/kim-jong-il-brainwashed-north-koreans?INTCMP=SRCH
Kathleen Taylor

Since the death of Kim Jong-il, images of weeping North Koreans have filled the western media. But is their grief real? Some have suggested that the hysterical displays of mourning were staged, others have come up with an even shorter answer: brainwashing. But what does that mean?

It's a homecoming of sorts. The word "brainwashing" was coined in the Korean war: it was CIA man Edward Hunter's attempt to explain alarming footage of captured US personnel supporting communism and denouncing the west. The soldiers had undergone a process of "thought-reform" in Chinese prison camps. Made famous by The Manchurian Candidate, this mysterious process, it seemed, could wipe a mind clean of previous loyalties, achieving total, programmable control.

For westerners raised to believe in strength of mind and individual free will, brainwashing was a nightmare. Zombies and demonic possession have staying power in our cultures for good reason: they represent the terror of mind control. And as possession was all about black magic, so brainwashing reeks of dark and dangerous science. What else could explain those US soldiers' behaviour but mind-altering technology? A horrifying idea, but also encouraging for the US military, since technologies can be captured and transferred.

Except that, even in secretive North Korea, we can be pretty sure there is no such technology. To date. Neuroscience is developing so fast that brainwashing machines may yet appear, but they are not responsible for the grief in Pyongyang. So what, apart from propaganda, is?

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Has Kim Jong-il brainwashed North Koreans? (Original Post) canetoad Dec 2011 OP
No, it is just that North Korea's political system is more advanced then ours. comipinko Dec 2011 #1
Well, there's that...or... JHB Dec 2011 #2
Has it occured to anyone dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #3
Well... ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2011 #5
Maybe it's akin sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #4
Pyongyang is full of loyalists killbotfactory Dec 2011 #6
1984 style brainwashing prepperdad Dec 2011 #7
Is the Pope Catholic? n.t. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #8
 

comipinko

(541 posts)
1. No, it is just that North Korea's political system is more advanced then ours.
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:04 PM
Dec 2011

They DO take pledges, and doggone it, they keep them!

JHB

(37,159 posts)
2. Well, there's that...or...
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:13 PM
Dec 2011

...maybe making a big show of emotion -- especially in front of a camera -- might just improve your family's chances of getting a slightly better share of food.

At least it couldn't hurt, and it's one way to release emotion. Dancing would likely be frowned upon, and by "frown" I don't actually mean a facial expression.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
5. Well...
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:49 PM
Dec 2011

Of course its real, but so is the empathy expressed as part of Stockholm Syndrome. That's not the point.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
4. Maybe it's akin
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 04:32 PM
Dec 2011

to the unspoken but real fear of being the first one to stop clapping when the "Leader" arrives on (or in this case leaves) the stage.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
6. Pyongyang is full of loyalists
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 08:58 PM
Dec 2011

The people living there have it about as good as life gets in North Korea. You are either there because you've swallowed the kool-aid of the state religion, or know enough to put on a front and maintain it.

 

prepperdad

(103 posts)
7. 1984 style brainwashing
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 12:25 AM
Dec 2011

That madman ran a brutal stalinist state well into the 21st century. I really hope there is a special place in hell for the likes of Kim Jong Il


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