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Speech and Kirk Cameron
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/03/07/speech-and-kirk-cameron/Speech and Kirk Cameron
March 7, 2012 By John Scalzi
Kirk Cameron, former child star and current subscriber to an apparently particularly uneducated brand of evangelical Christianity, is shocked and appalled that when he makes public statements on a nationally-televised talk show about homosexuality (and thus, the people who are homosexual) being unnatural and detrimental to civilization, there are a large number of people who will react to such a public statement by taking it upon themselves to mock him for it. He says:
I should be able to express moral views on social issues, especially those that have been the underpinning of Western civilization for 2,000 years without being slandered, accused of hate speech, and told from those who preach tolerance that I need to either bend my beliefs to their moral standards or be silent when Im in the public square.
Well, Kirk Cameron, heres the thing. You are correct when you say you should be able to express your moral views on social issues, and as a staunch defender of the First Amendment, I will defend to the death your right to say whatever ridiculous, ignorant and bigoted thing that has been fermenting in that cracked clay pot you call a brain pan. But the First Amendment also means that when you say such things, other people have the a right to mock you and the silly, stupid words that have dribbled out of your skull through that word hole above your chin. If you call someone unnatural, they might call you an asshole. Thats the deal.
To put it another way: The First Amendment guarantees a right to speech. It does not guarantee a right to respect. As I am fond of saying, if you want people to respect your ideas, get better ideas. Likewise, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. If youre going to parade around on television engaging in hateful bastardry, then, strangely enough, people will often call you out on it. They may also call you out on the hypocrisy of maintaining that when you say that the way someone else lives is unnatural and detrimental to civilization, you mean it with love, but when they call your words bigoted trollspeak, theyre crossing a line or engaging in slander the legal concept of which, incidentally, you dont appear to understand very well, nor libel, which generally speaking is probably more applicable in this case, you crazy public figure, you.
(Youre also wrong about homosexuality being unnatural birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it! not to mention, of course, that the imputation that unnatural means wrong is one of those stupid things people say when they havent thought through the implications of the assertion. I mean, youre aware television is unnatural, right? So are pants. So are eyeglasses, cell phones, indoor plumbing, the Growing Pains complete second season on DVD, and just about any weapon more complicated than a rock. The rule I would like to apply moving forward is that anyone using unnatural as an intrinsic reason for something being bad or wrong must commit to a life of Rousseauean simplicity in a location untrammeled by the unnatural accoutrements of human civilization. I recommend the forests of Papua New Guinea or any place in Siberia, so long as it is above the Arctic Circle.)
Kirk Cameron, I fully support your right to speak your mind about moral views. I also fully support the rights of other people to criticize you and those views, and also their right to be mean to you while doing so, and not just because, in my opinion, its mean and not in the least bit loving to suggest gays are detrimental and destructive, simply by existing and loving who they choose to love and refusing to accept your desire for them not to be who they are. Youre entitled to your stupid, petty, awful, hateful bigoted opinion. Everyone else is entitled to call it exactly what it is.
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Speech and Kirk Cameron (Original Post)
babylonsister
Mar 2012
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Th1onein
(8,514 posts)1. Great post!
Sing it, sister!
niyad
(113,573 posts)2. so very true. pity that these cretins don't understand the first thing about the first amendment
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)3. A Most Excellent Rant, Ma'am