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inanna

(3,547 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 06:12 PM Jan 2015

No such thing as a child prostitute, anti-trafficking groups say

Source: Reuters

Thu Jan 8, 2015 4:43pm EST

WASHINGTON (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Children sold for sex are crime victims and should not be branded as prostitutes, anti-slavery advocates said on Thursday in launching a U.S. campaign to raise awareness of child sex trafficking and to change how its victims are treated.

The term “child prostitute” implies that consent was involved when in fact there was no such thing, they said. Underage girls and boys who are forced to sell their bodies have very little choice when traffickers fully control them through violence, manipulation and coercion.

“Girls repeatedly raped and exploited are not prostitutes. They are victims and survivors of child rape and they deserve all the support and services we provide other abused children,” Malika Saada Saar, director of Rights4Girls, a human rights group focused on gender-based violence against girls and young women, said at a seminar here.

Rights4Girls, with support from Google and the McCain Institute, is leading the No Such Thing campaign, which calls upon policymakers, law enforcement and others to eradicate the term child prostitute.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/08/us-trafficking-us-children-idUSKBN0KH26920150108?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

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No such thing as a child prostitute, anti-trafficking groups say (Original Post) inanna Jan 2015 OP
Absolutely. nt bemildred Jan 2015 #1
This is an important point. n/t eggplant Jan 2015 #2
I agree 100% TexasProgresive Jan 2015 #3
Wouldnt they be if they're caught? Now that you bring it up...... 7962 Jan 2015 #8
Nope Ash_F Jan 2015 #12
Thats about the stupidest thing I've ever seen!! 7962 Jan 2015 #13
There probably wasn't one. /nt Ash_F Jan 2015 #14
No, just that when the child said it was NOT her father or other male relative, the case was dropped happyslug Jan 2015 #17
That they had VIDEO of a rape and did nothing??? They had a BAR TAB illegally signed??? happyslug Jan 2015 #18
amazing we have to even point this out. nt mopinko Jan 2015 #4
I was thinking the same thing. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #7
Indeed, is it not obvious when one looks past the labels to the people being hurt? freshwest Jan 2015 #11
Correct. They are sex slaves. They didnt choose. 7962 Jan 2015 #5
Same here. Arkansas Granny Jan 2015 #9
I think in many (I think most) cases, Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #15
Could not possibly agree more. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #6
correct Skittles Jan 2015 #10
We're doing some redefining. Igel Jan 2015 #16
k and r. it is disgusting that this even needs to be mentioned. and, many adult prostitutes niyad Jan 2015 #19
And their johns and pimps are rapists. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #20

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
3. I agree 100%
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jan 2015

Why aren't johns and pimps who abuse these kids prosecuted and branded for life as child sex abusers?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
8. Wouldnt they be if they're caught? Now that you bring it up......
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jan 2015

If a man is caught with an underage child for sex in whatever the circumstance, he SHOULD be labeled a sex offender.
Is it NOT that way?

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
12. Nope
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jan 2015
New Orleans Cops Straight Up Didn't Investigate Over 1,100 Sex Crimes

In one case detailed in the report, a two-year-old who tested positive for an STD in the emergency room after an alleged sexual assault had their case handled by a detective who wrote that the toddler "did not disclose any information that would warrant a criminal investigation." The case was closed, "due to a lack of evidence."

Getting caught and getting prosecuted are two different things.
http://jezebel.com/new-orleans-cops-straight-up-didnt-investigate-over-1-1-1657873672
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
13. Thats about the stupidest thing I've ever seen!!
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jan 2015

A TWO yr old?? Wonder what kind of interview that was?

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
17. No, just that when the child said it was NOT her father or other male relative, the case was dropped
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 09:48 PM
Jan 2015

I use to do Children and Youth, not the criminal aspect but more the neglect and abuse aspects. Something like 90-95% of all abuse cases, including sex abuse, involves male relatives of the victims, often their father. I had cases where an older brother did the sex attack, but in the hearing it was determined he had been attack by other relatives earlier in his life. Most sexual abuse runs in certain families.

Given this background I can see the Officer asking the Child questions and the child saying it was NOT someone she knew. At that point what is the officer to do? The child can give a description, but it was probably on the line of an adult taller than her, may say that the person was white or black, may say the color of the perpetrator's hair but that is about all. DNA evidence was probably collected and if it shows it was NOT a blood relative, that confirmed the child's statement.

Contrary to Police on TV, most perpetrators do NOT have their DNA on record AND researching those records are much more complicated then finger print searches. Furthermore most Data in the existing DNA National Data base only include people who have been convicted or charged with a crime, if never charged no DNA in the National Data Base. Fingerprint evidence only shows that someone was in the room the incident occurred, but that could be days or even weeks before. In most physical assaults you rarely get fingerprints on items that clearly could only have that print during the assault (Belt buckle, shoes other hard surfaces etc, but NOT cloth). Worse, most rapes do NOT involve ejaculation, thus they may be NO DNA evidence to collect (That does NOT mean women can NOT get pregnant during a rape, men leak thus a sperm can enter her system even without him ejaculating and making her pregnant).

Please also remember your body does eject foreign matter, including sperm not needed to get a woman pregnant. Given her age, all of the sperm was ejected from her body within a few days. Thus by the time she was examined and tested for such evidence, it was long gone. NO DNA evidence, who do you charge? Who do you look for?

Sorry, this is a problem with dealing with children this young. They can give you straight facts, such as a man entered her with his penis, but no perspective such as how did he end up alone with her (through often that does come out but no idea where he took her and maybe not even where the incident occurred). Two year olds can not say, "He took me to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and in the second door to the right after entered the house he raped me" (I am using 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as a well known address nothing more). She will say "We drove to a house and entered it and he put his penis into me". Notice no address, "house" can be anything from a barn, to a warehouse to shack to mansion, the two year does NOT have the experience to know the differences.

That is the problem with these cases, the victims rarely has the background (life experience) to provide much good data. They can give facts, but no context for those facts. Was it a Mansion, a Warehouse, a shack, a shed, a doghouse or a house? The two year old can NOT answer that question for they have yet to develop the context to know what a Mansion, a Warehouse, a shack, a shed, a doghouse or a house is. Grade School age children (1st through 3rd grades) have difficulty with those concepts (But middle School Kids, Fourth through Eighth grades, clearly understand those differences).

This was a problem when I was doing CYS, we looked at other evidence of abuse and neglect NOT what the children said. Most of my cases involved neglect and neglect was easy to determined by just examining the home the children were in and the children themselves. The same with abuse, including if the child was sexually abused. In most cases we could determined who did the sexual abuse by looking at the family dynamics (I practiced CYS as DNA was just coming in, it was clearly a game changer when it came to evidence of sexual abuse but in the cases I handled not much changed for it was rare NOT to know the perpetrator).

Sorry, what the officer did may be all that could have been done, If this is a serial child rapist (a case I did NOT do for I did NOT do criminal child abuse cases) they are known to strike quickly and leave quickly. The Victim is dazed and confused and may take days for parents to even think the victim had been molested and that is why she is acting "strangely". By then any DNA evidence is long gone, as is the perpetrator. This is how such perpetrators can get so many victims (When they are caught they often confess to all of the cases they had done, this is why we know most victims of such perpetrators do NOT report their attacks).

Sorry, if this was done by a serial rapists and the victim took 2-3 days to get to a hospital for an examination, there is only her eye witness report and nothing else. You may know where she was found after the attack, you may know where she was (and who she was with) during the attack, but nothing else. If she was taken off the street and no license plate was taking down, or even a description of the car, you have absolutely nothing to go on. Sad state of events but unfortunately happens more often then we would like to see (and much more often then it is shown on TV).

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
18. That they had VIDEO of a rape and did nothing??? They had a BAR TAB illegally signed???
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jan 2015

As I said above, the rape of the Two Year old may be a case that is unsolvable due to a lack of evidence, but that is NOT the case where you have video and a Stolen Car. A fingerprint examine of the car should have been done and anyone whose fingerprint was in the car questioned (Including any mechanic). The victim should have been sent to the Hospital as soon as she reported the rape, you can ask her questions later, get the evidence. This is sheer incompetence, or more likely a cover up.

Now, the New Orleans Police Department has a well known reputation for being corrupt. It makes the New York City Police look like angels, but corruption is rarely a factor in rape cases, especially if you have video. On the other hand, if you want to minimize the number of rapes you report to the FBI for reporting purposes, what they did make sense. i.e. dismiss as many cases as non-rapes as you can so when you report rapes to the FBI you can show a low number. City Fathers like low crimes figures, especially in a tourist dependent city like New Orleans.

One of the problems with the FBI crime numbers is that except for murder (you have a body so hard to cover up) there do NOT match Polls taken as to victims of crimes. The polls all report higher rates of robbery, rape and other crimes then are reported in the FBI statistics (through the numbers of murders tend to be the same statistically). The main reason for this is many police departments make an effort to cover up crimes in their areas to keep the numbers low AND often do not report such crimes, also to keep the number of such crimes low. Low crimes means the police are "doing their job", high numbers means the police are NOT doing their job of keeping the crime rate down.

I suspect this is what is occurring in New Orleans. They do NOT want to have a high rate of crime, and one way to lower that rate is not to report such rapes, and to dismiss them as unsubstantiated and thus not a rape in the first place. i.e. cover up rape cases to keep the number of rapes down, even if the actual number is increasing. What happened to the victim mentioned in the Article, she found herself on the ground and no car, she retraced her footsteps and found videos of her being raped, she went to the police, and then the police asked her questions instead of sending her to the hospital, all implies they did NOT want to find any evidence of Rape. i.e. they wanted to dismiss the case as a false accusation so to keep the rape numbers down.

I hate to say this, the victim should have gone to the hospital herself and get rape test done on her. DO NOT RELY on the police to do this. It could have provided additional evidence of the rape, evidence the police would have a hard time ignoring. I also tell my client that, in most states, you do NOT have to go to the Police to report a crime, you can go straight to the District Attorney and if you have the evidence charges can be brought against the rapists.

I do NOT know about Louisiana Law, many states no longer permit private criminal complaints, but some states still permit private criminal complaints, i.e. the victim can file the complaint and prosecutie the perpetrators bypassing not only the Police but the District Attorney. The real restriction is finding out who did the rape. If the victim can determined that I suspect the DA would take the case. On the other hand it does NOT look like the New Orleans Police Department really wants to investigate Rapes. They want to keep the the numbers of rapes reported down, and one way to do so is to rule no rape actually occurred. That seems to be the New Orleans Department's attitude to rape, unless you not only provide all the evidence of the rape AND who the rapist is, the New Orleans Police will report you were not really raped. That is one way to keep the rape numbers down.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
5. Correct. They are sex slaves. They didnt choose.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 06:31 PM
Jan 2015

Its a shame that it didnt really occur to me until reading this article. Of course I knew they were forced, but the term didnt really register as being wrong.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
15. I think in many (I think most) cases,
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 07:47 PM
Jan 2015

adult prostitutes are just about as much sex slaves as are the underage girls. Most of them have horrendous histories of physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and ongoing problems with addictions, as well as sometimes just being trapped by the pimps & procurers in their lives.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
16. We're doing some redefining.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jan 2015

In most cases, I agree. The kids are forced by adults to do what they're doing. Kidnapped, smuggled, held captive or brainwashed. No question.

In some cases the kids could return home. They may be "forced" by their limited thinking, lack of cognitive faculties, fear, desire to view themselves as independent, or something else, but they have options. Or perhaps that's what they've decided to do. There's nothing magical about the day you turn 18 that suddenly says, "Hey, I have no clue and it's all rape. That is, until tomorrow, my 18th birthday, when suddenly I'm a sex worker and should just apply for a license so I can have human dignity and pay into Social Security." If it's possibly a reasoned, reasonable decision at 20 or 18, it's potentially the same at 17.

And even if the ratio of smuggled/kidnapped to voluntary (or nearly so) is 99:1, it's still not 100:0.

The rest is playing word games. An underage child cannot have consensual sexual relations with an adult. Even if she's living at home and has decided to do this by herself for whatever reason, it's technically rape. There can never be a 17-year-old prostitute in that case because a 17-year-old cannot choose to have consensual relations (in many, if not most, states) with somebody who's reach their majority. They lack the wisdom and maturity, we're told. (Even if people argue at that at age 13 or 14 they can make other, no less far-reaching decisions. For example, to keep a child or terminate a pregnancy, other kinds of health care decisions, etc. We deny minors personhood when it's in our favor; we insist on their independence when it's in our favor. To say we're right we play with their status to prove that we're right--a mild form of self-aggrandizing entertainment, since it really doesn't matter.)

Of course, in some states if you're 16 or 17 you can have consensual sexual relations as long as the other partner isn't much older. 16 and 65, we think "ewwww." 16 and 18 we think, "Ah, well." This article presupposes they're the same and always the same: both are rape. It's worth noting when an important part of the argument we agree with is valid but when the same bit is an important of another argument that we disagree with it's utterly specious. (For my part, both are statutory rape, and such laws that hang on the ticking of a clock--"I'm sorry your honor, but my client may have been nekid and made out with the girl on the eve of her 18th birthday, but penetration happened at 12:01 a.m., when the young woman was clearly of age"--may be slightly insane but are still not entirely unreasonable.)

niyad

(113,302 posts)
19. k and r. it is disgusting that this even needs to be mentioned. and, many adult prostitutes
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jan 2015

are not there of their own volition either.

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