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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:51 PM Jan 2015

Steve King Says Obama Learned Nothing From The Burr–Hamilton Duel

Source: PFAW - Rightwing Watch



Steve King appeared on WorldNetDaily’s Radio America yesterday to explain that he made his decision to oppose John Boehner’s re-election as speaker of the House because of concerns that Boehner won’t put up a strong fight against President Obama’s immigration policies.

The Iowa Republican told host Greg Corombos that the nation’s founders would be aghast at Obama, who he said violated his oath of office “as if his word means nothing.”

“It’s been 210 years since Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr fought a duel over honor. Life and death over honor, honor meant that much to our founding fathers and they did not imagine that a president would dishonor his own oath in the fashion that he has done,” King said.

King said that he, on the other hand, is fulfilling his oath by voting against Boehner and insisted that the speaker would be ousted from his position if only other members of Congress took their oaths of office as seriously as he does.

Read more: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/steve-king-obama-learned-nothing-burr-hamilton-duel



Leave it to the idiot leader of the House Birther Caucus to think of Aaron Burr killing Alexander Hamilton as an honorable episode of history.



and remember, this Iowa nutcase is the guy all the GOP presidential hopefuls are lining up to kiss the ass of at his Freedumb Summit later this month:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/18/steve-king-to-host-iowa-freedom-summit-in-january/
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Steve King Says Obama Learned Nothing From The Burr–Hamilton Duel (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2015 OP
The man is crazy.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #1
Perhaps King should go back and read/learn a bit of that history ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #2
Not only that, irony of ironies, read this that I remembered about Burr: freshwest Jan 2015 #9
office staffer find a 1950's H.S. history book? irisblue Jan 2015 #3
Steve King once won a duel Enrique Jan 2015 #4
Desert Eagle for a raccoon? Moron NickB79 Jan 2015 #5
Two of the biggest RW loons are.... wolfie001 Jan 2015 #6
I would pin him down on how Obama violated his oath. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #7
Damn right. elleng Jan 2015 #11
Hmmm... must've been a late-breaking Amendment krkaufman Jan 2015 #8
So, Steve King thinks Obama should resolve the immigration issue... Ken Burch Jan 2015 #10
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. Perhaps King should go back and read/learn a bit of that history ...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jan 2015

Burr shot Hamilton because Burr could not beat Hamilton politically.

But I guess ... at some point, constantly being bested by someone you consider your inferior becomes a matter of honor ... in the same way a frustrated child lashes out physically.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. Not only that, irony of ironies, read this that I remembered about Burr:
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:00 AM
Jan 2015
The Burr conspiracy in the beginning of the 19th century was a suspected treasonous cabal of planters, politicians, and army officers allegedly led by former U.S. Vice President Aaron Burr. According to the accusations against him, Burr’s goal was to create an independent nation in the center of North America and/or present-day Southwest and parts of present-day Mexico. Burr’s version was that he intended to take possession of, and farm, 40,000 acres (160 km²) in the Texas Territory leased to him by the Spanish Crown.

U.S. President Thomas Jefferson ordered Burr arrested and indicted for treason, despite not providing firm evidence. Burr’s true intentions remain unclear to historians, some of whom claim he intended to take parts of Texas and some, or all, of the Louisiana Purchase, for himself. Burr was acquitted of treason, but the trial destroyed his already faltering political career...

While Burr was still Vice President, in 1804 he met with Anthony Merry, the British Minister to the United States. As Burr told several of his colleagues, he suggested to Merry that the British might regain power in the Southwest if they contributed guns and money to his expedition. Burr offered to detach Louisiana from the Union in exchange for a half a million dollars and a British fleet in the Gulf of Mexico. Merry wrote, "It is clear Mr. Burr... means to endeavour to be the instrument for effecting such a connection – he has told me that the inhabitants of Louisiana ... prefer having the protection and assistance of Great Britain."[2] "Execution of their design is only delayed by the difficulty of obtaining previously an assurance of protection & assistance from some foreign power."[2]

In November 1805, Burr again met with Merry and asked for two or three ships of the line and money. Merry informed Burr that London had not yet responded to Burr's plans which he had forwarded the previous year. Merry gave him fifteen hundred dollars. Those Merry worked for in London expressed no interest in furthering an American secession. In the spring of 1806, Burr had his final meeting with Merry. In this meeting Merry informed Burr that still no response had been received from London. Burr told Merry, "with or without such support it certainly would be made very shortly."[3] Merry was recalled to Britain on June 1, 1806...

In 1805 Burr conceived plans to emigrate, which he claimed was for the purpose of taking possession of land in the Texas Territories leased to him by the Spanish (the lease was granted, and copies still exist).

That year Burr traveled down the Ohio River starting in Pittsburgh to the Louisiana Territory.[4] In the spring, Burr met with Harman Blennerhassett, who proved valuable in helping Burr further his plan. He provided friendship, support, and most importantly, access to the island which he owned on the Ohio River, about 2 miles (3 km) below what is now Parkersburg, West Virginia. In 1806, Blennerhassett offered to provide Burr with substantial financial support. Burr and his co-conspirators used this island as a storage space for men and supplies. Burr tried to recruit volunteers to enter Spanish territories. In New Orleans, he met with the Mexican Associates, a group of criollos whose objective was to conquer Mexico. Burr was able to gain the support of New Orleans’ Catholic bishop for his expedition into Mexico. Reports of Burr's plans first appeared in newspaper reports in August 1805, which suggested that Burr intended to raise a western army and "to form a separate government."

In early 1806, Burr contacted the Spanish minister, Carlos Martínez de Irujo y Tacón, and told him that his plan was not just western secession, but the capture of Washington, D.C. Irujo wrote to his masters in Madrid about the coming "dismemberment of the colossal power which was growing at the very gates" of New Spain.[5] Irujo gave Burr a few thousand dollars to get things started. The Spanish government in Madrid took no action.

Following the events in Kentucky, Burr returned to the West later in 1806 to recruit more volunteers for a military expedition down the Mississippi River. He began using Blennerhassett Island in the Ohio River to store men and supplies. The Governor of Ohio grew suspicious of the activity there, and ordered the state militia to raid the island and seize all supplies. Blennerhassett escaped with one boat, and he met up with Burr at the operation’s headquarters on the Cumberland River. With a significantly smaller force, the two headed down the Ohio to the Mississippi River and New Orleans. Wilkinson had vowed to supply troops at New Orleans, but he concluded that the conspiracy was bound to fail, and rather than providing troops, Wilkinson revealed Burr’s plan to President Jefferson...

In 1805 Joseph Hamilton Daveiss, the federal District Attorney for Kentucky, brought charges against Burr, claiming that he intended to make war with Mexico. With the help of his young attorney, Henry Clay, Burr was able to have the case dismissed. In December 1805, President Thomas Jefferson was anonymously informed that Burr "is meditating the overthrow of your administration".[citation needed]

In February and March 1806, Jo Daveiss, United States District Attorney for Kentucky, wrote Jefferson several letters warning him of possible conspiratorial activities by Burr. Daveiss's July 14 letter to Jefferson stated flatly that Burr planned to provoke a rebellion in Spanish-held parts of the West, in order to join them to areas in the Southwest and form an independent nation under his rule. Similar accusations were published against local Democratic-Republicans in a Frankfort, Kentucky newspaper, Western World. Jefferson dismissed Daveiss's accusations against Burr, a Democratic-Republican, as politically motivated.

By mid-1806 Jefferson and his cabinet began to take more notice of reports of political instability in the West. Their suspicions were confirmed when Wilkinson sent the president correspondence which he had received from Burr. The text of the letter that was used as the principal evidence against Burr is as follows:

"Yours postmarked 13th May is received. I have obtained funds, and have actually commenced the enterprise. Detachments from different points under different pretences will rendezvous on the Ohio, 1st November--everything internal and external favors views--protection of England is secured. T[ruxton] is gone to Jamaica to arrange with the admiral on that station, and will meet at the Mississippi--England---Navy of the United States are ready to join, and final orders are given to my friends and followers--it will be a host of choice spirits. Wilkinson shall be second to Burr only--Wilkinson shall dictate the rank and promotion of his officers. Burr will proceed westward 1st August, never to return: with him go his daughter--the husband will follow in October with a corps of worthies. Send forthwith an intelligent and confidential friend with whom Burr may confer. He shall return immediately with further interesting details--this is essential to concert and harmony of the movement. Send a list of all persons known to Wilkinson west of the mountains, who could be useful, with a note delineating their characters. Ny your messenger send me four or five of the commissions of your officers, which you can borrow under any pretence you please. They shall be returned faithfully. Already are orders to the contractor given to forward six months' provisions to points Wilkinson may name--this shall not be used until the last moment, and then under proper injunctions: the project is brought to the point so long desired: Burr guarantees the result with his life and honor--the lives, the honor and fortunes of hundreds, the best blood of our country. Burr's plan of operations is to move rapidly from the falls on the 15th of November, with the first five hundred or one thousand men, in light boats now constructing for that purpose--to be at Natchez between the 5th and 15th of December--then to meet Wilkinson--then to determine whether it will be expedient in the first instance to seize on or pass by Baton Rouge. On receipt of this send Burr an answer--draw on Burr for all expenses, &c. The people of the country to which we are going are prepared to receive us--their agents now with Burr say that if we will protect their religion, and will not subject them to a foreign power, that in three weeks all will be settled. The gods invite to glory and fortune--it remains to be seen whether we deserve the boon. The bearer of this goes express to you--he will hand a formal letter of introduction to you from Burr, a copy of which is hereunto subjoined. He is a man of inviolable honor and perfect discretion--formed to execute rather than project--capable of relating facts with fidelity, and incapable of relating them otherwise. He is thoroughly informed of the plans and intentions of Burr, and will disclose to you as far as you inquire, and no further--he has imbibed a reverence for your character, and may be embarrassed in your presence--put him at ease and he will satisfy you--29th July."[6]

In an attempt to preserve his innocence and career, Wilkinson edited the letters. They had been sent to him in cypher, and he altered the letter to prove both his "innocence" and Burr's guilt. He warned Jefferson that Burr was “meditating the overthrow of [his] administration” and “conspiring against the State.” Jefferson alerted Congress of the plan, and ordered the arrest of anyone who conspired to attack Spanish territory.[7] He warned authorities in the West to be aware of suspicious activities. Convinced of Burr’s guilt, Jefferson ordered his arrest. Burr continued his excursion down the Mississippi with Blennerhassett and the small army of men which they had recruited in Ohio. They intended to reach New Orleans, but in Bayou Pierre, 30 miles north of Natchez, they learned that a bounty was out for Burr's capture. Burr and his men surrendered at Bayou Pierre, and Burr was taken into custody. Charges were brought against him in the Mississippi Territory, but Burr escaped into the wilderness. He was recaptured on February 19, 1807, and was taken back to Virginia to stand trial...[8]


More at the link. There are differing opinions on the case. A lot of smoke there, and some of it very heavy. I don't see honor in the dealings of imperialist Burr nor the duel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burr_conspiracy&printable=yes

I suggest, however, that if King wants to prove his own honor, he must challenge Obama to a duel, as all the Hatriots have been drooling for one.

But most don't even want to give Obama the respect of being allowed to defend himself, they want a lynch mob. And the ones in D.C. said they wanted it to take a long time to inflict more pain. Or tarring and feathering, a form of torture that leads to death. Then they laughed.

Let King finally put his body where his mouth is. Then the guys in the white coats can come for King at last, or he can be arrested for inciting treason and murder. I am so sick of this sick racist. But after reading that blog post here about the Confederate mind set, that is clearly what King follows with every word he utters. It doesn't matter if it's true or not - it's about winning for their 'Natural Order' they believe supercedes Equality as defined by the Founders.

Another day, another yucky GOP provocation. It's going to get much worse.



wolfie001

(2,231 posts)
6. Two of the biggest RW loons are....
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jan 2015

...."Cantaloupe calves" Steve King and Louie "Good luck with your asparagus" Gohmert. Others are in the running but these two epitomize the far right lunacy. The Founders would surely have laughed at their shenanigans.

krkaufman

(13,435 posts)
8. Hmmm... must've been a late-breaking Amendment
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jan 2015
and they did not imagine that a president would dishonor his own oath in the fashion that he has done,” King said.


A rational being might think Impeachment would suffice for addressing Executive breaches, which the Founding Fathers "imagined" quite necessary.
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
10. So, Steve King thinks Obama should resolve the immigration issue...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:34 AM
Jan 2015

...by trying to become Emperor of Mexico?

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