Rockets fired at southern Israel hours before temporary cease-fire deadline

[Fozzledick]

Source: Jerusalem Post

Rockets were fired from Gaza Wednesday night two-hours before the midnight deadline to Sunday's 72-hour cease-fire, as the IDF enhanced its troop presence along the border preparing to once again wage war against Hamas in Gaza.

One rocket exploded in open territory in the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council. No damage or injuries were reported.

At around 9:45, over two hours before the end of the 72 hour ceasefire, rocket sirens sounded in Ashkelon and surrounding areas, including towns and moshavim in the Yoav Regional Council, Lahish Regional Council, Hof Ashkelon Council, and elsewhere.

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Rocket-sirens-sound-in-southern-Israel-hours-before-end-of-temporary-cease-fire-371015

[4now]

1. Israel needs to end the illegal siege of Gaza.

If it ever expects to find peace.

[Fozzledick]

2. The blockade of Gaza is a legal defense against Hamas' aggression.

Hamas continues to fire rockets because they don't want peace. Their latest assault against Israel has been a total catastrophe for the people of Gaza.

[Orrex]

3. It's always enlightening when people choose to blame the victim

Palestinian civilians are the victms, and since Hamas isn't murdering Palestinian civilians by the hundreds, it's pretty clear who the aggressor is.


Israel would have more credibility if they acted with restraint instead of aggressively annexing territory and murdering civilians every chance they get, all while claiming to defind themselves as the real victims.

[Fozzledick]

5. Who just broke the cease fire - again?

Blaming the victim indeed.

[Orrex]

6. Was the launch an act of formal Hamas policy?

Or was it some asshole with a launcher?

Regardless, it's disgusting that a rocket landing in a field and causing no damage makes Israel the victim, while 1500+ dead Palestinians makes Hamas the aggressor.


Nice progressive priorities you have there.

[Fozzledick]

12. Hamas is responsible for all attacks from the territory they claim to control.

And they have shown a consistent pattern of deliberately violating all cease fires with a few pot shots just to show their contempt for peace.

Nice personal attack you threw in there.

[Orrex]

17. And Israel is responsible for the deaths of 1500+ Palestinians

Hamas' response, if anything, has been astonishingly understated. How would Israel respond if Hamas murdered 1500+ of its citizens?


You are more upset about ineffectual rockets launched blindly and landing without damage than you are about 1500+ Palestians slain by Israeli aggression. It is hardly a personal attack to identify your attitude as being inconsistent with progressive thinking.

[former9thward]

30. The reason Hamas has not killed 1500 Israeli citizens is not for lack of trying.

Their corruptness and incompetence in government is also part of their military. No one has been murdered in Gaza by Israel. Hamas is the murderer who deliberately placed those civilians in harms way.

[Iamthetruth]

42. And what was their intent

so the rocket landed harmlessly, because of that I guess Israel should just look the other way right? The intent of the rocket launch was to kill as many Israeli's as possible, which by the way is a war crime just on intent alone. If someone has the intent to kill you but does not, there should be no crime?

[Orrex]

47. They don't get to murder 1500+ people, I can tell you that much

Hamas' intent is subordinate to its actual achievement.

Since Israel has a vastly greater arsenal at its disposal and an endlessly tolerant patron, we can only conclude that Israel's intent matches its achievement. Namely, the murder of 1500+ Palestinians.

[Iamthetruth]

58. So you reward failure

Why am I not surprised.

[Orrex]

61. I imagine that you're surprised by sparkly objects and funny noises

If I were to reward failure, then I would reward you for your posts.

Instead, I will ask again why you happily accept Israel's actual murder of 1500+ Palestinians, but you condemn Hamas' ineffectual, blind-fired attacks because of your perception of their "intent."

[Iamthetruth]

77. I'll slow it down for you

Israel murdered no one, they were fighting a war that they did not start. People die in wars and that is why most people hate them, Ifsomeone were to pull a gun on you but missed you because they are a horrible shot, does that make them pulling the gun and firing it any less of an attempt on your life?

[liberalsaresilly]

46. Wait so...

Your definition of aggressor and victim is only based on the success of the Military strategy or level of Military technology?

It doesn't matter to you that Hamas initiated this entire conflict by launching rockets into Israel.
It doesn't matter to you that Hamas has been the one to end EVERY truce and cease-fire by starting rocket attacks again?
It doesn't matter to you that Hamas's very constitutional charter states it will not accept peace with Israel and that killing all Israelis and wiping it off the face of the Earth?

You're using the results as your only indicator of who is right and who is wrong here?!?!?

By that definition, The U.S. was the aggressor and Japan the victim in WWII because Only 110,000 American died in the Pacific Theater, whereas 2,700,000 Japanese died. The fact that we did EVERYTHING we could to prevent a war with Japan and gave them multiple opportunities to surrender when it was clear they would lose means nothing to you. Only that more Japanese died than Americans.

Likewise, it doesn't matter to you that Hamas attacked first, that they are clearly bent on the destruction of Israel, that Israel completely pulled out of Gaza 9 years ago, or that Israel could completely level Gaza and kill all 1.8 million residents but does not. It only matters that more Gazans have died than Israelis.

What an interesting little myopic and twisted viewpoint you've developed.

[Orrex]

50. I do not defend strawmen

You have mischaracterized my position and I am under no obligation to justify your mischaracterization.

[liberalsaresilly]

54. Oh good, because I didn't use a strawmen (sic) argument....

You're never under any obligation to justify any position you make.

However, you're misusing the word Strawman. A strawman is when I change the topic to something related to what you said because I know my normal position is indefensible.

Since there wasn't a position I was arguing in the first place, I couldn't have used a strawman.

I was addressing points you made in many of your replies where you repeatedly made the point that thousands of Gazans have died but relatively far fewer Israelis have died, and then concluding that therefore Israel was in the wrong in this conflict. The tangible extract from that is that you don't care that Hamas doesn't want peace, you don't care that Hamas has spent all of its resources on military assault of Israel, and that its very existence is to destroy Israel.

You stated, "Palestinian civilians are the victms (sic), and since Hamas isn't murdering Palestinian civilians by the hundreds, it's pretty clear who the aggressor is."

Again this leads us to the conclusion that simply because more Gazans have died than Israelis, that this all by itself determines who the aggressor is. You then go on to say, "Israel would have more credibility if they acted with restraint instead of aggressively annexing territory and murdering civilians every chance they get, all while claiming to defind (sic) themselves as the real victims."

Beyond being obviously untrue -- if Israel wanted to "murder civilians every chance they get" they'd have already killed the entire population of Gaza, because that's certainly within the IDF's capabilities. But they haven't come anywhere near that level of a death toll, which makes your conclusion completely without merit.

In a different post you state, "Regardless, it's disgusting that a rocket landing in a field and causing no damage makes Israel the victim, while 1500+ dead Palestinians makes Hamas the aggressor."

and...

"Hell, Israel has killed far more Palestinians than Hamas has killed Israelis, while we're at it."

Again, this shows that the relative death toll is your deciding factor of who is right and who is wrong in this conflict. And, it wasn't one rocket in one field, it was 5,000 rockets. The fact that Israel is more equipped to defend against attacks from Hamas than Hamas is from Israel also does not make Israel the aggressor and Hamas the victim.

In a different post you state, "Hamas' response, if anything, has been astonishingly understated. How would Israel respond if Hamas murdered 1500+ of its citizens?"

I think the obvious answer would be many more Gazans would be dead today, but let's not go down that rabbit hole, for I instead offer you a counter question to your quote.

"If you were able to magically switch military capabilities between Israel and Gaza tomorrow, would Gaza show the same restraint Israel has (killing 1,800 people) or would Hamas obliterate Israel and kill all 8.2 million people living in Israel today?"

It's a rhetorical question, for the answer is obvious - Hamas would obliterate Israel.

This goes back to your statements minimizing the value of intent over achievement:

"Hamas' intent is subordinate to its actual achievement.

Since Israel has a vastly greater arsenal at its disposal and an endlessly tolerant patron, we can only conclude that Israel's intent matches its achievement. Namely, the murder of 1500+ Palestinians."

My response is, yes, you're correct, Israel's achievement more closely matches its intent than I'm sure Hamas's achievement matches its intent. But you state this with the implication that simply because Hamas has been unsuccessful, that they are the victims and not the aggressors. This ties into my earlier historical examples, which you ignored, blindly labeled "strawman" then went about your way.

So, if your position is NOT that Hamas is the victim simply because they've had less loss of life than Israel, kindly state so and let us all know exactly what your position actually is. Because right now it seems nothing more than random paid shill sound bites for Hamas.

[Spider Jerusalem]

65. Are they? Was Israel responsible for Baruch Goldstein?

[leftynyc]

22. Hamas IS the government of Gaza

and here they tried to blame the death of this child on Israel until they realized they couldn't get away with it. I wonder how many more will come out like this:

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=4755

BBC: Hamas admits Gaza child was killed by Palestinian rocket
Palestinians first blame Tuesday's death on Israel Air Force strike, but a Hamas official later attributes incident to Palestinian rocket fire • Despite this credible report, Chinese and French media report child died in "mysterious" blast.

[Orrex]

26. Of course, Israel based their current murderous campaign on false pretenses

And certainly they're not above decption, either. If you're going to fault Hamas for using the tactics of propaganda, you need to hold Israel to the same standard.

Where is Israel's apology for murdering those Palestinian boys on the beach?

[leftynyc]

29. Defending hamas?

That's adorable.

[Rhinodawg]

56. Its called..

The Hamas Appreciation Society

[hack89]

9. Hamas merely has to allow all goods entering into Gaza to be inspected for weapons

there was a proposal floating around that the EU take responsibility for inspections. But then Hamas has no intention of disarming.

[Orrex]

11. What concessions would Israel make?

Would they end the encroaching settlements and forcible occupations?

[hack89]

15. I think lifting the blockade should be enough

the bigger issues of West Bank settlements has to be negotiated with a unified Palestinian government, not just Hamas.

[Orrex]

18. Ending the blockade would be a good start.

Does it seem likely that Israel will agree to it? Honestly, I'm not optimistic.

[hack89]

20. Only with a rigorous inspection regime.

they will not let Hamas rearm nor rebuild their military infrastructure.

[Orrex]

21. "A rigorous inspection regime" is a continuation of the blockade

And if, as RRumpole suggests below, Gaza is self-governing, then why should they have to disarm according to the demands of another entity?

Would Israel accept such terms, if they were called upon to disarm?

[hack89]

32. If they are self-governing then rocket attacks on Israel are an act of war

and therefore the blockade is legal in accordance with international law. Hamas can't have it both ways. If they want to be recognized as a sovereign entity then they have to exercise those sovereign powers in accordance with international law. International law is very clear on what happens when sovereign powers attack other countries.

[Orrex]

49. Israel's occupation of Gaza would likewise be an act of war

Israel can't have it both ways, either.

If they want to claim any sort of moral authority, it would help if they started acting in at least a vaguely moral fashion.

[hack89]

53. They withdrew from Gaza eight years ago - there is no occupation of Gaza. Nt

[Orrex]

64. Siege, then.

I'd say that a siege is an act of war.

[hack89]

78. In response to suicide bombers and rocket attacks

Let's not forget that the people of Gaza once routinely commuted to Israel for good paying jobs. Then Hamas took power and the violence exploded.

[Iamthetruth]

43. Why should they end the blockade

We hear the Palestinian people bitching about construction materials seized by the Israeli's. Well I guess Israel was right because that material was used for tunnels to murder innocent people instead of building schools and hospitals. Why do some of you live in a fantasy world? As long as hamas is around there will never be long last peace, it does not matter what Israel does or does not do.

[Orrex]

45. How many "innocent people" were killed via the tunnels?

Give me a hard, documented number.

And then tell me how many innocent people were killed by Israel's air, sea and ground assault.


As long as Israel is around, it is difficult to believe that its government will allow a lasting peace.

[Iamthetruth]

59. Seriously

You ask me to give you hard numbers, wow. The tunnels are used for one thing, how about this, instead of me telling how many people have died via the tunnels you tell me what their purpose was for. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[Orrex]

63. You made a definitive claim, so I'm asking you to back it up.

Either withdraw your claim, or else provide documentation to support it. You're in no position to demand answers from me when you're expecting people to swallow your unsupported assertions.

[Iamthetruth]

76. You're funny

I'm pretty sure I don't need to prove anything, if you don't think the tunnels INTO Israel were for killing Israelis than I don't need to have a conversation with you.

[RRumpole]

16. There are no Jews in Gaza..

Israel has no encroaching settlements in Gaza. They left Gaza years ago. Gaza is self governing. They could have taken the opportunity to show that they could coexist and be productive as neighbors, but they chose Hamas and war.
It is Egypt that has closed its border crossings as they are also afraid of Hamas.
Hamas has complained that there is a limitation of large deliveries of concrete in Gaza. But did they use the concrete for civic works? No. They used massive amounts of concrete for military tunnels for infiltration into Israel.

[leftynyc]

19. Those "victims" just violated

another ceasefire. You can't possibly believe hamas has the best interest of the Gazans in their hearts.

[Orrex]

23. I know that Israel has killed far more Palestinians than Hamas has killed

Hell, Israel has killed far more Palestinians than Hamas has killed Israelis, while we're at it.


No force or entity in the region has done more to solidify Hamas' strength and credibility than the IDF.

[leftynyc]

25. Since when does the body count

mean anything when it comes to right and wrong? They just violated another ceasefire which means more misery for the people of Gaza. But you'll continue to defend the little darlings - how sweet.

[Orrex]

28. You're kidding, right?

Since when does the body count mean anything when it comes to right and wrong?

Seriously?!? Israel's decades-long campaign of murder and oppression is entirely based on the claim that Hamas and its ilk are bent on killing Israelis. That is, they base their entire claim of "rightness" on the "wrongness" of Palestinian action and the threat of an Israeli body count. Can you not see the absurdity of your position, as you dismiss 1500+ dead Palestinian civilians as "the little darlings?"

[leftynyc]

72. Don't EVER accuse me

of dismissing the dead Gazans. You have no fucking idea what keeps me up at night. I blame hamas for all the misery the Gazans live under. I doubt they thought hamas would thank them for voting them into power by using all the aid sent for weapons and tunnels. The Gazans are victims of hamas just as Israel is.

[Iamthetruth]

44. and other Muslims

Killed more Muslims in one day than Israel has done defending its country. I hope you're just as outraged against the Syrians.

[Orrex]

48. Is the US assisting in the murder of Syrian civilians?

Has the US been funding Syria for decades?

Has the US vetoed every attempt by the UN Security Council to censure Syria or hold it accountable for its crimes?

No?


Then perhaps you can see how your comparison is meaningless.

[Iamthetruth]

57. Or perhaps

The only time you call anything atrocities is when You believe Israel is behind it.

[Orrex]

60. And yet you *don't* condemn an atrocity is when Israel is in fact committing it.

[Iamthetruth]

75. I don't view it as one

I blame hamas.

[Nihil]

81. And there we have the pro-Israel attitude in a nutshell ...

> "I don't view it as one"

(where "one" refers to "an atrocity" in the post to which he/she was replying)

Innocent children being maimed & killed?
"I don't view it as an atrocity."

Innocent women being maimed & killed?
"I don't view it as an atrocity."

Innocent men being maimed & killed?
"I don't view it as an atrocity."

War-crimes every day?
"I don't view it as an atrocity."

A world full of pain & misery?
"I don't view it as an atrocity."


No wonder that events are judged in terms of their theoretical monetary potential.
No-one with that attitude actually gives a shit about the human impact.

No wonder that exceptionalism is so widespread.
No-one with that attitude understands (much less tolerates) "difference".

No wonder that hypocrisy & hatred prosper around the globe.
No-one with that atttitude cares about anything except their own little bubble that
starts with "Me first" and ends with "Maximising profit at all external costs".


The underlying attitude is "Huh, *I* don't view it as a problem."

FTS.

[Iamthetruth]

82. What would you do

If someone was hell bent on killing you?

[Rhinodawg]

83. Sheeesh

and that proves....nothing.

[movonne]

4. BS

[COLGATE4]

7. stunningly incisive and thoughtful

argument

[U4ikLefty]

67. When one sees bullshit, one only needs to call out the bullshit.

Like the Israeli propaganda on DU...total BS!!!!

You got that Bibi?

[Iamthetruth]

41. You're so right

Because we all know that hamas wants peace with Israel is only upset over a "siege."

[shenmue]

51. Yeah, they need to just sit there and get killed by Hamas rockets

That would be great.

[yeoman6987]

52. Hamas doesn't play fair at all

Israel will rightfully start bombing again. I don't know what is wrong with Hamas, but they clearly want war. They can't even wait two hours?????? They just want to see Israeli's scrambling. So sad for Israel. I wish them well. I have been trying to be neutral, but no more. I am with the President on this.

[liberalsaresilly]

55. Define "Illegal"

I view it as a perfectly legal siege because Hamas continues to fire rockets into Israel and preach for the destruction of Israel and the death of all Israelis.

Seems like that's a fairly compelling reason to begin a legitimate siege.

[azurnoir]

8. Israel has broken the cease fire twice when it decided to take some pot shots at fisherman

Israeli warships open fire at fishermen near Rafah

Israeli warships on Tuesday opened fire at fishermen off the coast of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, in an apparent violation of an agreed-upon three-day ceasefire, a union official said.

Nizar Ayyash, spokesman for Gaza's fishermen union, told Ma'an that a number of Palestinian fishermen were near the shore when Israeli forces shot at them with machine guns.

No injuries were reported.

Ayyash said Israeli naval forces had been preventing fishermen from fishing in the area, even within the "authorized fishing zone."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=720052

Israeli warships on Wednesday opened fire at Palestinian fishermen off the coast of the southern Gaza Strip, in the second such incident since an agreed-upon 72-hour truce came into effect, witnesses told Ma'an.

Witnesses said Israeli forces opened fire "heavily" at a Palestinian fishing boat near Rafah, but that there were no injuries.

An Israeli army spokeswoman said a motor boat had "breached the military closure," and that Israeli forces opened fire into the air.

The motorboat then "returned to Gaza," with "no injuries or damages."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=720294

[Fozzledick]

10. Enforcing the defensive blockade with warning shots is not a violation of the cease fire.

Nice try.

[azurnoir]

14. Israel broke the cease fire by shooting at Palestinian fishing boats period

it is Israeli claims that in the first incident they were warning shots the second time there were no such excuses made -Israel has unilaterally decided to allow no fishing off the coast of Gaza period there by re-enforcing the dire food situation

[leftynyc]

24. And your answer to this?

BBC: Hamas admits Gaza child was killed by Palestinian rocket
Palestinians first blame Tuesday's death on Israel Air Force strike, but a Hamas official later attributes incident to Palestinian rocket fire • Despite this credible report, Chinese and French media report child died in "mysterious" blast.

[azurnoir]

27. a quote from 2012? really? I Googled the complete quote and here is what I got

Newsletter Wednesday June 20, 2012

BBC: Hamas admits Gaza child was killed by Palestinian rocket

Palestinians first blame Tuesday's death on Israel Air Force strike, but a Hamas official later attributes incident to Palestinian rocket fire • Despite this credible report, Chinese and French media report child died in "mysterious" blast.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=4755

[leftynyc]

31. How is that different from

what I posted?

[azurnoir]

33. That appears to be what you posted word for word n/t

[leftynyc]

34. Actually clicked the wrong link - this is from today

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/hamas-rockets-injures-3-in-sinai/2014/08/13/

10:50pm A child was killed and two other children were injured from a 9:57pm rocket launch from Gaza, according to a Reuters report.

The rocket landed in the Sinai.

The rocket hit their home in the town of el-Mattallah south of Rafah.

The murdered child was identified as Sara Salama, 13, and the injured children wwas her brother Khaled, 8, and her sister Rahaf, 2.

It is not clear if the rocket was a misfire, or a deliberate message to Egypt.

[azurnoir]

36. the same folks that claimed Mohammed Abu Khdeir was an honor killing and Arabs had been arrested for

it, within an hour or so of his body being found

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/body-of-arab-boy-found-in-jerusalem-forest/2014/07/02/

as to this story it's the first I've heard of it

[leftynyc]

70. Hamas broke ANOTHER ceasefire

Is there some reason you just can't admit that.

[azurnoir]

74. Israel and Hamas currently have a 5 day cease fire I'm sure you'll agree that's good news

no more Palestinian or Israeli deaths

as to the former cease fire Israel broke that by firing on fishing boats period

[azurnoir]

37. Here is the actual Reuters story the link you posted is loosely based on

One child was killed and two others were wounded when a rocket landed on their home in the Egyptian town of el-Mattallah south of Rafah, near the border with Gaza, security and medical sources told Reuters on Wednesday.

Sara Salama, 13, died while her brother Khaled, 8, and sister Rahaf, 2, sustained serious injuries and were taken to hospital.

The rocket impact is the third to hit the area in recent weeks, security sources said, adding that Egyptian authorities were investigating the incident.

---------------------------------

Egyptian security forces have been struggling to quell an Islamist insurgency in Sinai that has killed scores of soldiers and policemen.

The violence surged after the army overthrew Islamist president Mohamed Mursi last year and the militants extended their reach to Egypt's mainland with a series of bombings, prompting the army to intensify its attacks on them in Sinai.

http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFL6N0QJ50F20140813

[leftynyc]

71. So hamas killed the child and two others

I'm not sure why you think posted a larger portion of the article changes that.

[azurnoir]

73. That's not what Reuters says at all in fact Reuters seems to say it may have been Egyptian Islamists

which actually makes more sense in a way, the Hamas claim is made by the other link which quite falsely attributes it to Reuters

[freshwest]

40. They are at war with each other. Ceasefires don't mean a thing. It's all out war, like WW2.

The entire thing stinks from beginning to end. And it's a generations long war, just as other wars have been.

We don't like to see it in those terms, it makes us feel powerless to get them to stop killing each other which they are doing. We can't make them behave. Our money isn't enough.

They refuse to share that land, obviously. They don't believe in the same form of governance as we do. IMO, none of the parties are coming clean with what they really intend, as they want to drive away the other side.

We refuse to admit it out of our egocentric view that everyone wants what we want. We don't believe any of them should be forced to give up their political, religous and cultural beliefs, that they should put those on the back burner and just work together.

And the two opposing forces don't give a flying leap what the USA, the UN, the Arab League or any of us think. They will not stop until they achieve victory and not parity or a truce.

We are on the outside of this looking in. It's why I seldom comment in these threads, since we seem expect them to play by the Marquess of Queensberry rules:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Queensberry_Rules#Rules

That is not what total war is about. I support ending all support, until they are both utterly bankrupted. That's how wars that don't have a victor end. This is an endless war fueled by outside forces for reasons never presented to the world.

Of course, not both sides will be equally broken down enough to embrace reconciliation. So it will go on until the world blockades the area to force them to live together.

Okay, that's inhumane and never going to happen and I don't see an end until one side or the other is all driven out and they don't have to look at each other again. It's their region, not ours.

I find all of it infuriating. It makes me

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. Gaza has suffered too much--and for too long--for this to end without achieving something.

The blockade must be lifted.

[7962]

35. Yes lets side with the only people who celebrated 9/11 in the streets.

What a joke. Thank goodness Israel doesnt bow to those who dont see the big picture.

[U4ikLefty]

68. Like the Israelis who celebrated the Gazan's "9/11" from the mountaintops while drinking wine.

What a joke indeed.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

[7962]

79. Yeah, thats EXACTLY the same. Jeeze. Dont recall anyone in the WTC attacking anyone.

[christx30]

69. My autistic son does

this kind of stuff some times. We let him play at the park for 3 or 4 hours, then tell him it's time to go. We usually give 15 to 20 minutes warning before it's time, so it's not like we spring it on him at the last second.
When it's time to go, we tell him to come with us and get in the car. He won't. He struggles. He fights. He hits. At that point, he sure as hell isn't going to get back on that play scape. I sit behind him and pin his arms to his side so he can't hit me or his mom. Sure, we aren't leaving the park while that's going on, but he isn't stepping foot near a slide either. We keep telling him that if he gets in the car right now, we'll get some ice cream. Or get pizza for dinner. But as long as he's fighting me, he won't get to do anything he wants to do. The fight makes me want to take him home and ground him. No ice cream, no pizza.
Why should the blockade be lifted on Hamas's terms? Israel is strong enough to deflect any attacks from Gaza and deliver punishing retaliation for the attack. The war is over. Hamas needs to stop their shit right now, if they give one lick about their people. They might not like the situation, but keeping up this pointless fight is going to get more and more people killed. If they laid down their arms, Israel would be in more of a mood to give concessions.
"We vow we will continue to get killed until you give us everything we want!"

[7962]

80. Brilliant statement. + 10000! Your last sentence says it all. nt

[riverwalker]

38. Oh dear

probably knocked over a flower pot or two. I suppose Israel will "retaliate" with a couple
500# bombs on a school.

Today there is photo circulating of baby they rescued from a tree, found after a huge bomb killed her parents and propelled her into a tree. A baby in a freaking tree.

[riverwalker]

39. Many large explosions now

from Israeli jets and gunboats being reported.